Defences of Canada, 21 Feb 1865

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Defences of Canada, 21 Feb 1865 - the ' times, msbxi?mmmc,di. PARLIAMENTARY...
the ' times, msbxi?mmmc,di. PARLIAMENTARY ISTELLiatTOCEJ - ' ' " - 1 HOUSE OF LORW, Moa - iur, txKTO. Th Lord Ouxcvxom took hi m a U woolsack et 9 o'clock. ".. THS XEW KB AD WO CLERK. , Tha Hon, SurtusBT BrratL was introiaeed to th lord . CUiwUa by Kir Jehehna Lrfrrre, the Clerk W IM 'iUMMt,iOfMauio(XutakU(aU l ss resdinr LsUsskUtU reontof Mr. FiBOsVred. cotrnTsoFjamcE srre RtLt. . Ths Earl of LOXGKOitI) Jr.. .n - iL,. ik.Tr.. Jo a reiura which hsd Just bees UM upoq their lordships' ' UUe relating to the. HnW of bouses to be reroovrd ad of j - rr.jo.iorw - umimux their place of rrai.len.es by the Cvh iwi aa mam pre um aumlwr.of bouse, to 1 rrJIK,TJ " poa the seven mtm unr Templc - lar pro - ... wn m wi; waii. in number us person Juraed out 1y, appeared to b 392. bcin Iwp to each ""? occurred v bim that there night If nm ! uwy in iiui mart, consi.ienag bow densely pu - hted tha district waa, sod be had referred to the i'srli - .me.urv acvois 1m names pi - ared on be back ot Bill who informed hi 31 that ths nun.Wnflh. ownst I'lvtiOJcrf ilmie had born given, and oottboee of the lndiers. , Coder these etrcumatsnoe it' appeared Ui (uira tm um cjct 01 lue House In lurjcuug the return return had lw uiisanderston.!, that object being to obtain information a to th n jrnlier of person aeioally iiuprovrd rut iiwir nousta. lie Iberetore suggested that supplementary supplementary return should bo directed, ia order to afford th requisite information, - Tlx I5IU CHANCELLOR Ui question wa not ' w ww accurscrni ta return, but merely woe tlier it Jo - ' - '.,1 - 1 .11 Ik. ;.,r....,U :l a.f.u l a:Din a:Din it did not d.v a it ra (a fare to uf that osly t ivmwt resided nntli iwaii. II would see - that a f or U'trrlart was ua.le, which would pre the number o! Ld.;eii to bo turn! out by tbo projected pUi, . Lord SHAFT ESIU'RV rmtrM that tho rrtnrn wainot la aamtUae with tin - ataaJtar or.Un of th" Hx!. which dirrctAl that Won tha aeeood rcfclinr of aay Itill iwolrio; lor muOT.l of houp la trw' irtnpn!ia a rfttira ahnnl.l b nU iUtinj th nombrr of tueh bouwa nqninxt.with their ctrMnrr ana m p.xiu ao - l actual notnber in (Mail of th (irraana who ;wtraM ho liimwn anil, " further. waetbar liter mi anr proVit ion tnaJ for ttaoir aorommo - datioa. Tbo rrtarq put tbo narabrr of bum vrrnnirrH at oaea 01 which might. a wanl toconUia from too to 'M raamt. anl rrt it nut i tho nimU rj' i.s.kiiu.L. .1 b1t .Ui Tbi tin tbo fo of it waa a porfrct noekery of a rtturo.an.1 1k1 aot in tb aliTntrat dosroo prrtoi to irvt uw re.miiwwnU of Ihnr lonUhirw' landing onba. H - "trulJ lht th aoblr lord on Um woolaack. would insist uiuoaprorwr returo liaj 'mad of tha actual number of rorpenona who woulj lw .lrprirnl of tbcir'bojnn Uirmi;h Uir houan Iwiac required for th rmrpracs of the Court ef Jiitio Sit BilL L - " The LOKI CHANCELLOR tid he hal been, much :ruc who me lorm or the return, ana he would take care that a return was made in aecordaaoe wi(h the itandiuj THE DEFENCES OF CANADA. Lord LYVEOEN'.iariiingtaatkccrUinqueitiVmtof Her MBieitTS Miuutrn with reference to the report of Colonel Jerroii on the defence! of Cs i.i lv, tij he did is in the hope of elicitinj tome i&fonrjition from the noble lord the Beat'Urjr for War. rather than from baring to aay much pon the matter aljnaelf, beeauae it apeared to him that the report whjeh ha.l been lai.1 upon the table waa, to a certain extent, aa otScial indiscretion,) aa i"t - disclosed a tte oj uos which oujht (to lure len kept from the public Mtil some steps, had been taken to remadr iL There mi;ht perhaps be a great number of, persona who r - taroea this country with, no! friendly feelinga, who were perfectly well acquainted with the sUte of the fortifications - In Canada; but that waa a Tory different thinf from producing a aocumeni or uus Una, publislie.1 pnJer official authority ana presented ty command of Her Majesty to both Houses of rarUaraent, setting forth the exact condition of those forti - Citjocs. The report of Colonel Jersois was a sort of abstract of a Dun detailed report, which had very properly not been mad publie up to this time ; bat ho should now ask whether it was the intention of the Oorern - ment to produce it for the information of tho - House f The report of the gallant officer showed.tlie utterly defence, less sUte of Canada. lie had been Bent out by Her Ma - iestr's Oorern ment, and his report stated in nnraittakcable language that Uie troops sent oat from this eountrv and tin local troops together oould not defend it. In f act,'if it were attacked there would be nothing for them but to retreat' he would not use a more ofTensire term as fast as ther eouU to our ships; and itwouM be Iuckr for them if they TOoaeled in doing a.j. Wasthaf a sUte of thiols whieh hould be allowed to eontinne! Some sanuin' or philoso. paw personi nnchtsar there was no chance of an attack 4.ni!U'tAne - Araeriaa,n'1 "00 much sense to " V V,c acquisition 01 sjanaoa mat anr such addition to their alrealr too exb - nsire territory would only, be a source of increased difficulty to tho American Oorernmeot. uur or nre years za one mi;6t hare talked of American srisdom, bnt since then we had seen that American institu - toons were rjuiteai subject to fiU and pist! of rcusion as ere those of any other pwple. On this point he would Ij "Xf pM'.M ttate.1 tlso - that .WsnU tBdrrtaka to daW H, wished u .iIKW! .Ulror a .maswursasVBili baeu take for - new - aw iaa iaa, - wiMUr pnparalloas ha.1 been mals f, putting Iditlnnst ruabnaU, uia Uf Tnriati.sM he wi,h t put to the (Internment wr.' - wbai (Bssepretailoa: they pbvM tho steps whieh had r - erallybeea token With reganlto QaisatU br tba United 8Uta(brrrnmeBtt what jVad been don with regard to tha Iskea, and especially Irtks OnUrlo wbether Canada "fum jw awe by any pro ns ton to imposa ant abisrg oss tho ia - itated : - If HerMajeitT'aGorernraent hare not resisted mora airenuouaiy than they hitherto done these illejal ami - nn. jiicnaiT proowia me cause is to be found in their belief that the pwioos and excitement of the contest hare for a time obscured the sense of initie n.l nmrrt i.'v:.t. uallr distinguish the Unite.! States, and that with Uks jio!opi snecoarcst calm eontUeration will return, and iust riew of thee tranasctioai will be taken." ' It wits quite true that the passions and excitement of the contest had obscured their sense of Justice and respect for tttr, anl when the contest was over possibly ther "might tarn their iron against nu What was the lesson whieh recent report taught ns ! Were wo to learn that peace and iinion in America meant war ajainat England! It appeared to him that wu u.irht infer u ,rK . 1.. j '.. - ..T A few days ago then was a re,rt that peace had been patched up and, the telegraph informed us thatthia peace WMf.Mindedon what was loown aa the Monroe doctrine, which went the length of a'nrming that no European Biuntry ahould hoi I any part of America.' He admitted that the Go - vernmrnt of the United .Sutes sormed to bo in 'frirridlr cor. respondfuce with the Gorcrnment of this c - mntry ; btit was the Oovenio.ent alwars ablo to control the - tple Lot their lonUhipi onlr reflect on what must Uaro followed if the 7 .General Pi x had been fullo wed. In December 1'ro - tulcut Lincoln revoked tha order iven by that General for the crossing of the Wndary ; and ret so amiah!ydi,rwd .. - .,.um iu.i sieuerai uix apKrcl to le that, - writing on the Mh of October, Lord Lvons said " I shoul.l observe that General Ui x spoke to me in a very srmua ana mvnajy manner, and cxpresscl the - nust Concilia: V.ry intention v and I. ahould wbi Ur.Sewsrd to be in - ..i.n. - i uu 1 ieei muen obligal to the Ceneral." " Jle noped - tlie accounts were exaggerate! which dewrribed American hoitHity to Eoghuid as intrnsc,but that such horn - s u . uia prevail 10 sme extent , he believed. It was true that we hW presem - louroeutmlityaa between the com - tatapti ; bit even those who remained nentrnl on political ZT ' upon wiui uisirnsc ana dislike ii ir one lity l to prevail in America against this countm might U elncy owing, to otir neutrality. If this wasthe state of things in' America, if lw .Imnr . :.,; . :i 1. . I f isSe.l that tt was imminent, because at any time peaea Iff 'T1 y,a rn" of Am - rica might be turned against u - ." - :"r sordships would do weU to omsider what was th. coniwion of a Jam in Canadai Were the defence! of that colony in a satisfactory still. fir... v... r. pev.re.1 .that the number of volunteers was 21,700, and the Jttrorf',w,.lt!"ta' """.'f the Government could ! "t 1. exclnsireof officers, .n.dd numbers 5 With resist to the latter force he w.d to k 1.,. nolJe friend the ,Seerrtary for War when the Government would be able to take the ballot.' Two Aears ago he rectare.1 to put a question to the Kto Dokef eweas'Ie on th:s very sul.j - jct, and the answer of the noble luke was a most unsatisfactory one : for he had to Ml their tor.lsl.tps that the Cjnadians were unwilling to bestir th'em - - se.ves and that their regirde.1 the proi.uaal made to them I.rh:i count rr on the sunjwt 0 their defences as one n,ca incT oa;nt not to havo been exiled upon to adopt Isow thongh - a dilTcrent spirit might have len manifesto.1 in. Cai.a.i since that time, tlw step, taken bv the cmouy itself would , have to ha clostlr watched. Colonel I.h.T' ha'1 "ificial iatimat.ion of the course rhi;h the rornal t.ov. inmrnt pr..p.o to mlopt with rmpcet - to th? J'tioas which I had the h:.nour to submit to thent :but 1 Lav, the Ut reason for stating tint ther concur gcuerallv U. - u hole ..f i,,vpr,.,als. sad that they are. ?,idy to inthe. wotlicrj.ountr, lu a fair and becoming spirit in .f CmaTla UWiwure ? Wisiliefof tdisdrfcnetf . it Z hu J k"?!' H0 th" l'I - ition hid ln '""j - Mcd. Hal anvthiiiglsn done' U.id an v measures of d,rcnce..l;een ari ;, or; were Cana.ta and t!,o m.K.r country feutinj with .each otlicr ? Two 7 ct - rtaiclr, l,a was one) ofv tbe who "would '.' - t' - ntsri to give what s:ue might consider to lie a Zil??'i I,, - .rU that, if Cna la re - UA U Kovtae for 1!. , .U.Vnce. we should leave Canada molumint fv;.i ; Vi - w "ere - l..n - - ,.;. Tt ..uwio CM to ns; and aa r, J: V , Ul i" - ot ,W.3j il'!f - a hng as it levied diftV . vui, mis cmiiilrv. ns lonj aa it rn la.l ', niay provide for yourself: we shall with. '7 7 - '' s - rariagouriruwis) tlier - ttdfeiKxs meant notonlr tl. .t;. .1 i!'.Vj'J,!rJ - tio.n I3',1 ' lwsrac K this Itsto of affairs ha L howerer, changed since , , X. t sflS , .f"'p Coufe - leration hail been coaitrici it was the same as with th. 1 t , V. u wrljr; th, younger brabaEnU; 1 ""o do for thoiiisclTt! iher whuld no tonwr V. ' 1 the parent. Cut it wV to the imm&., JC?0 future Confederation ia regard to aar tniUsr they Biirht arfnrberdefeiM! aJ what tima It wtmbl t .t . pWtetUforUge.tio.ii? 1U had tn r,arref with anrthlnr the GorernrneBtadJloner ocniUol to" do, but the time 7 , .7 '" - wnen lascruottoM must he sent out "to Lord Moixk to sar at one to the Canadian;Aseinblr In a peremptory and po.it ire, but not by any means in a minseioa iBr. that they most - nBdcrtalu some proportion of the "T.T ' . r ?7" d'0. hBt whatoTer ther did would be met by this country, in a fair and liberal spirit. 1 - bere were but twn suaaly and rigorous courses of policy open to us is this matter. On was to say at once to the Canadians Canadians that we found It frmnoasitJ In !... I tk. they did not mean to defend themselvca, and w'e, therefor, should withdraw our troops whom w did not wish to are s f 1 ",t.l'.hw shouU part with sneu - ny spint, in um nope tnat whaa this was no tonerr an Imperial question, and when tbe - viti6dt ni iiogian.1 wu wiinurawn, the opposition ask to be baaed on the mniUmti.. .,L1 1!. .l..l Th.t ,ttfrwru, and perhai on the whole ,.v...,..,,, course, out mere wu another course roore fitting a gallant and hijh - ipiritcd nation, and more in accordance with the courage of the British people. We might say to the Canadians, wo eomidar n rt . - .. juui . K - rriwrr urionirs'lo US, akl we will not suffer your toil to be inra.led. We will sue - plr )ou with troops to scatter your enemies, and without dela'f will improve the fortifications by which your conntry is de - ienieu. ror both these courses there might be - much to be ssid : bat the eonrme for which thn ..1.:.. . L. ati'Ln l which ouirht to be aroided br h ru.M,n..i waa, that intermediate policy which consisted in telling the Canadians that we would send them troops only in driblets max, we woma spend on their fortifications just as much at we could slip quietly into tha Estimitct each year. Thus should have been exnoaed to the dinner nf i.u:i, ...I possibly to - the chance of a foreign occupation, and possibly ia the meantime we should be losiog the. choicest of our. wuuiw. vonsirniur ourselves to eternal lnluiffiiiinlui. and K committed to the excessive difficulties of a war with the United States, waged on a field mot disadvantageous to us. wmcn couia onir result in miur to wk ..1 could produce neither honour nor profit to either. (Hear, Earl DE GREY agree.! with the noble lord that this question was one of great importance.' and surrounded with many difficulties, but he could not allow that in hying this Kepnrtot Colonel Jerrolse on the table Her Majesty s Government Government had been guilty of any " official indiscretion" On Whe contrary, Tiis noble friend had been guilty of a " Parlia mentary indiscretion," because in the speech he had made he had spoken in terms of the United States' Oorern ment and of the motives by which ther were likely to be actuated, which prrhapsi he had better not have emplored. fllear. hear.) Moreover, be maintained that the peaeo negotiations which hail been lately going on had certain objects behind them which; as far ai the Government knew, bad no ground' whatever - .rxcept in the telegraphic report which reached as from dsyto day from the United States, founded on the peculations of the American newspapers, and which were very frequently no"t confirmed. (Hear, hear.) Into that part of tho question, however, he should not go, but merelv content himself with stating the fact of the ease. The Re port of Colonel Jerroiso contained statement no doubt serions and worthy of grave - consideration, but there wu really nothing in it which wai not alreidr - ncrfectlr well mown wo an. snose wno nau uicen any interest in or who had studied the subject. (Hear, hear.) In public doonmenU um netore other assemblies, and in speeches niada in other countries, would be found all the principal facta oroaeuy itated in this Riport. It hardly contains anything whieh wai' not known before it wai mala - T but the rcuon which induced Her Majesty's Oorern - mentto call for. such a Report was this : Ther nroDosed to ask Parliament in this country and the Aasemblr in Canada to take their respective shires In tha expenditure necessary for the defence of that provinceand if they wer9 going to nagmc two ueguianve AasemWiC! to rote mooev.lt was certainly right that thsyihould lay before them the ground! upon which they made, these, proposal. (Hear, hear.) That was the reason why this Report had been laid berorc Parliament to ihow the ground 00 which the Government Government baaed their proposed action.' and to enable tha Canadian Government to do the same srilh their Legislature. Legislature. (Hear, hear.) n therefore could not plead guilty to hi noble friend' indictment of official indincre - tion." The Eeport Vouched principallyon two point one, the fortifications necessary .for the defence of. Canada, the "ther, the measures - taken for the improrement of th organisation and the system of training of the Canadian militia. With regard to tbo first, as soon as this Report wai placed in his hands, it reoeired immediate and serious eda sideratien from the Government, and ther entered into communications based upon theae Report with Lord Monck, nu uiej luiurnieu mm uiai mey snouia 10 the ltiinates of the nreaent rear nrorina to Parliimant ...n.l - 1. the Improvement of the fortification! of Quebec, and that they looked to the Canadian Government to take steps for iwumsuuu 01 nootreai, ana 1 or tne erection of any works whieh might be necessary to the westward. The Earl of DERBY. what about Halifax f , Earl TH? fiREY wntil.l tt.V.t.. .1. il v I - 7" . . - . ' .iwrwsros, UU" 1' 1 1 Va " w nowe rnenas question. - uuoniv ixicrrrugto ianaaa. ilia uovernment under - uxk 10 pro vi. ic loresie necassarr Imnmvam.nt. I t,. .1. fence 6f Quebec. wVch hl alwars heen ennshtxrarf an Tm. penal fortres. and which, though formerly of great rtrength, like other fortification required improvement to meet the altered circumstance of warfare. They had proposed to the Canadian Government, to umlrrLstra tka fw;t...n i I Montreal and the western pbinU. The Canadian Gorern - I ment was well aware of the obligation! which rested on them, 1 an.l when they had r - ceired the neeewiary answer from the CanaIian Parliament, were ready, to undertake those works With respect to Halifax, a rote had been token for works there for some years post in tho Est! mates, and in thi year' vote V IHre'nm would betaken. With regard to the Can a - dian miajtht. no doubt the - arrangements made some time MW were not very satisfactory, but since the time of which his noble friend had spoken, and since' the statement made by the noble duke, whoso, loss they must alwav lament, a new Government had been formed In ranadawMoi, .... tained wider views than its predecessors, and according to the information Her Majesty's Government had recoivod. w. - w Meiermineu to turn its attention to the question of tha militia, and to Uke measures" to put it in a state of effl - Jjcncy. The first processes of the ballot had taken place since ' '"K"' w no out.t tnat the present Government of Canada was determined to doit duty n this matter. Her Majesty's Government would be will. ingtoauom inem an me assistance in their power in the training of oflioers and ron - commiiwioncd officer! in all that iui;;in vk reiuirea to put tueiorcc in an efficicntstate. The result of Colonel Jcrvoise's Report hal been commanicatp.1 to Lonl Monck, but the particular and detail of this purely rr v V " - "V" """" iim ine - pronnce ol.tho tXinvlian Government In the - peculiar circumstances of Canada'no doubt the chief difficult wits with a lalion to bring them together toacentralized point, and unite irn:,piii1.npii.i unuiors rw wecuor smooth. Hy the combination of somethinirof the Volunteer n',1 tho Miiit;. ai - uiaaaeiiaunirin mis country, it might ho possible to effect an efficienttraininz of the Canadian mlliti. tt.Sl caning on tnem 10 mare tneeat sscr.hce of leaving their homes to go to a distance for a conaiderable periojl. Ire hl iust learnt that about R.OX) men had been rained bv the ballot, and that the training of officers wa gqie on" satisfactorily, satisfactorily, and eveir .report he received from 1 in - Chief Sir F. Williams le.1 him to bcb'evfthal tho Cuna - uiiiu mu.ua wou.ii do lounn to lfl a most useful force. in this state or things they thought this country had a dutr to r - erform in this matter, and. therefore m ask .the Parliament of thi country to incur a cprUin expense expense in erecting fortitieations in that pvt of Her Maiesrr' nvmiuions. nut at iub same time ther tnl haI fst - this country shonl l le railed urwn to Tindertske the whole l tIl,',c'1"t' hat. ,hi - t tne Canadian Government and people 7 " 'i - '" - "wmon 01 1110 extndi - ture upon themselves, and he had reison to hope that ther were aware of theirdntv, and thitin that resjiect as in others ..ui ...rm .i.iimciii colonies n.i mw consnlerahle strides in a short time. (Hear, hear.) Ther had shown a spirit or determination nhd good sense, and the k - ndin - men of those provinces had shown a spirit of statosms'nship 1 ; - "".' "iviBM - ives ana grainving 13 their well, wishers in this countrv. Upon the nrineir.V . V. 1 tinned tinned it wns intended to propose that this country should .. 1, r anno call unon the pro. rincos to nndcrtike a still larger share. Ho believed that they would revlily respond to that call, and that in a short ir 3 .V". 01 ." - Icn! W01i't "3 atib!Uhe.l in Her Majesty orth Amjneaa jossessions. .The .The Earl of DERIS V. Tho present state of relations be - iwccu tiro reile.ral Mates of America and this ronnfrr ?. so grave that I should lnve bocn desiroui of maintaining an absolute silence, and of leaving to Her Maiesl.'s ment the. responsibility of dealing with this difficult and delicato question without in any war sevkimr to inereau n. uiincuiiy 01 incir ta.it by any interference on my part; UtHt, hd U fctopt i polity, larelrlaf a larg npsexU. Ure, th sbjot wa oo qulU as worthy to hart been as. tWssl! U tb Hpseeb from tha Thrasi M any of thoaa thoroughly unimportant subjects which formed tb U4 of that doeameot, (llsar, hear.) Tk cemmuaicsUioa to Par. UaovMt of this report of Cu!oal Jsrroi U Dot likely to (r to th Amerioao (Jorarnmaat, or to aay other OovsrB - Bt, loformattou whieh was not already ia their poaeea. tioat but It I a publlo avowal of the - defsooeU and unprepared staU.nf som of our most tmpurtaat poa - aesslon, at a Um when tha great questions of peace and war depend, nut on' the calm considers Uoo of friendly tJorernmenta, but very much npon the txeitod pa - ioni of popular emnlie!. and of 1 naUon whieh. riehtlr of wrongly, doe entertain very hostile faeliugi toward thU the eiartioas k) siususssi : which . toltatU - ltbU I trill tty Hut, whatever may b the UtesperanM fntoa. the raotbar eoutry is kraasd to glva it every aaaist - 1 itm by eartaia ccatora U theBeoabs ad0bjpM;4 .kMey h ,, f "7 waoton auiassiuB by a foreign Paw?. America, wkatrrar may W the riaUaoe - Uk: npot tad I may U made; t - v Ja. Cayt dLtt i - At (Htf.W) , extreso. ricdenc - shTin. by tbo pre, Amwica, I tb. bar, Whl, Itoad gg ; A'wrf was (pot very wauiUbly, wa mma us tufeiiiuieusas um usuw sua iasvw jwaw m tavatsa, iatovoW'csf tbr swTVT ia any meaauni which th Oorrra - been .wanting ia moderstiou ia their eommanleations rark Jaaa S Road BUI j.&r XL - qT rr ,V ru no tinM to be lost, and that what with ua. Aad when tha Americaa Minister says to me, managers of - LeotaiorUr XtSooj gTV rfJ'X proved lb daagar to b immasliato. ht docs, - Birpposy ou wan a wax. wit toy itiaat relating to adovoteata ; by Mr H 7T. IRTTTIV if r If n European Power, and veael were to oomsr ccnataatly tlkt Uf Socsety UrerpocJ, U uUv of vl aMr IBUKY. - 7 - My lord. If the Oovtrn - out of .N'sw. York to attack your com raere. ai destroy yoir eooeentratioo of th erjuruif Uwu,.W Lord LYTTELTON: Wba rks varv iiiadrblr. wa I cannot think th Government of tha Uadtad 8taaea bar I of tha panah Cfeelaeav. ia faro.. understood to aay that la any measure whieh tb Oorrm - I been .wasting Umodrntiosi ia their eommanleations I rarkdaaa Road nnt t - by Hz. soeas raignt uis user Wa no tint to tie lost, soil max wnat I w"o a1 abq wnen um amentia Aiowsnr t h nas, 1 aotn is - iotumut . - vauoou nau already takea pLtce Tha Eari ml If ALM ESBTTRY. . . ; . . 7 1 out ot . - w. iorx to allact your com mere aa - i oeairoy yoir 1 rceiiiriioa as u eoarU ml law - k BMntrtaOy are in sarneat with respect to ther? defroors it I merchant shin on tha kLrb aeaa. do roa belicv that tha I stowf. frata Newcsaitla - oa.TrM f - '.vl appean to nvs that the sum which 1 to be devoted to the I Earfbh people would hare borne it ss qaietly as our Go - I milaags Utiaaby 1st. Scii Tta - Bcxrm f!!" uVfanaeof Ooehaa 1. rTI, - - a uia 'a.sMtU rerament has dooeT I ova I thiak it Boeaewhat difficult I prcwietore ia Alreiford. for ail.fi i - TJ? thwUr of . r., . 1 . T...l .v.. - TYVrYYV I to MwtT that question. .1 think, whila U point of Uw jaHeK ivtif '. ad by itr. Boraa are required from a for pjadng these fortifications on a u tttUag - Ya poUtflprsa it U rery imUUng I w oouiiKsL r - - 1 M ua wu w imwi uki fnni8e uusf v cousxieT toaa a .nwur rower, js nun ne necessary very Boon. What, therefore. Is tha I neutral, nas nan snip nttej out ana crews proriaea is tnev country. I think Her Majesty's Govsrnroent, by laying I use" of dividing thU amount Into four part! I un - P"rts by "h - ch American eommeroe ha suffered. I think, f - toat thU paper before Parllwnmt, bar. glren to it . character of A.J .v.. .K. i'H J5!LilI. i JT. Amerie. aod EngUad are to take tMr awi , rttw of ".''f'T ertiorj before eceaSST !l?,l, r - "' .tep. to n - t . W, tobem.de,. Vow, If any fore, can aet.fficiently in CanaU conduct, and thi? wV?bc5d n which II pointed out ia that rrmri.. bnt .kl,K '.,..' . ., .. . ' . I 1. i - .u. ra a ta - i . 1 t .v:.i. 1. I a profntas which b rare tha nth : ""uaocssnJa. f - ctly wUkn tothl, ami toother OovtlTlf 'ZZ neTKtto arcTd'a'wa Boircd that pnvatc Bill conW.h, f:" Wr T Ma 1.1. ...t . : """ """"jj, " .y.w nxtarr . - ' , n , .v;. - .. - . - 1 - iour memners. lae practice which he rm - i7.i?, th.eoure.of rr rnVr w,..., lo.cisui aa , - - " ;." "is imt. .y..s'M .orla ha besm tLrhtrae - for en v .v t. ... . a 1 nence ooiecteii to ifwa twnnna.i . . rica; bat, looking aa I do with tha utmost horror unon tk. ?u"h those fcTtincatkme. I cannot help thinking that there Ibolitioti of slamt T thi.l, W.k wilt rir. thm I hreht it forwaid ia the aam. srerit sera many who brliered that the" anUcipatlon of a'war between this eountrr and tb. V.! " m"? l - ,B.';f nali "Ut ??nVDl Jmost to SUtoa, or betwn , hi. country and the rUnl Sutea. W tuett reunion be possible. I think Her Majesty' Govern - Wny personvat all event, foresaw that Canada would be ment bar. been slow to take note of tha svmDtams of in. I thrsateood, a we are now towanl the ewlujrion of the creasing danger an.l increasing - menacs from th. Ilt;ial I Asoenean war. - There States, and I thihk tber 'have been slow in mll.; I war in America tioes to meet a danger which at last they admit to be a real and sutNtantuI dancer. Thar, la on. rri iw. ,1 I every to which the noble earl did advert to - .,, .t t kit I What which I think he did not gir ns all the information that is 'conation, tinned nonunion on tne otner. mat is tne I Mj - whether orer wnien tner nars been nrhUBe tor tne 1 .i. - .t .t. a arraignment arraignment haa hilk. k - k Z I last foor nirs,llnnn. tK,l.l,.. .V. I o"ier ssry lorsa a BS rstrrra - it is a thing to ba thai kful for I KSL?1 .T!0". - tof,lm a Unit Sute by a majority of ' - S"" with, rwl?!? . v ru'j. - k.V k. . I the time of member of that Hons.: a.ll - .7"" w.. rnn.ll . . u. .1 ru.. 1 ion most, I think, hare'diaappeared from the mind of I - eountrr stl.uii tv . one after what has occurred Within the last thres wneka l - .l. C - .t. a ;t:.i . a, 1 b,v.' 1 . ... . - 7 I ius aac 01 sue aoouuou ox aiavery, wmoa l the onlr point of context, aeeordin - . to the best in. I ai. - i. . .. . . . fj , . he Cbu theVbeeb lira no credit or praisa for it. two - thirdi hare agreed that frrm henceforth it thaH be a I J??? llUnJ'tJllit us, it , part ot th!oistitation of the L nited States, that no alarerv. I r . " " .k.tit.:..!j :. T J ! I ba owl. : but not ask your Wship to gire them aay praise or ere. tit for I Z,"' U - ',ba Uohpted this fryfmU iotoreat - for mtrr3T tb the oiajractic. without detrito - ,, beliere coa - I PTtT T , .PpCT,rwI bfre eomniittees of that HourT uT rejoice that I - i" "? nmag so siaauing onler. two countries to maintain but a'. aUutcly - Efall uin of 0Z 'ZLJr'ZZ?) force npon those Ukes, but, juatbefore Recommencement of fo. bt there win then be no danger to ourselves in f. P . , "nrvtiv - tv. " VT. . the season when it would ba impossible for any steps to be CMada.t.adlo.tonwhieh, ifiteverexistel.oug;itbythis m - rriot ut.nBi. - i nare no rignt again to passed the Camm of the United State, I Mr. HODGSOS hoped that th House would rT . ma again a united people or I tht motion. H could not help - thinkinr thai 0 tioa . taVKorth Ansericaa fedsraxioo. altering the staiding orHers without mucVdeliiaa! repawns, on widen taa I ana mis more cnancc of Uoing harm than aT,v the rs - inciDie now reenmmM,.lt k. ii . 1 . - v.ai geatletnao prevailed in the court of las add ia TUmltit? taaen on our part to the agreement xrare But, in the first instance. so i direct violation Government have - violate the treaty beyond luieiy necessary lor have taken upon I anv nrerions declaration ts If.. i. ;... r? - . - They have placed a force upon the lakes which menaces the I 09 disregarded. (Hear, bear.) security i - canaia, and they hare not thought fit to make The ISarlof ELLENBOROUOIL It would be weU if Her tASK i?. t. , hVnM MitJ,Oorernment would toke into their cousideratin fraction of the pronsiont of a solemn treaty. It is true I : - , . ,. ai. - , - tbe Ameriean R.r.m.,l ..m ,k. A - 1... . j .v ! ,n what position the Confederate would now ba had the! thi suspension of the treaty ahould eootiniM beyond the 1 !tJon the principle in whieh the Government are about I towards the end of Xovember. and within six month of oerioil durinr which it .kail ka . A - .v. I to Turieaa,! in nmnl Snn.n.s. "Tk. r" .e - l - t . I that time no iloiTh th. Imninni mi.kt rJae. smnwinr nnbli.inL.Ft k. Ik. .: .1. - 1 ul . ! . , . .... ... .. . ..l.i. (I..1.V - . - S . k .:.. k. . i. I cast UC which wiU ."hlethemtorrvonthBVrirWor course be imfu. for u. to d re - els l' - J onlr. nV. by .1: necessity as lone as ther mar think fit. anTl StZ ik.a M'bl1'' lmDfton' lnJ otiuT P1 - The whole country ,,, ,h - tk..laiea. when tha Ukes an.1 Canals were - il1 Pnvlegialation of that ifouae couU be imnlr natipnof the six months' notice they will be at liberty and . ooc8 eoTereJ the wor" neeessary to assist Jbe Y froien. It wa quite out of the question that we should 1" 'tronlr ininende.lth House to.make th ereri - ineu nave tscen immeaiaie s - epsoi tnst suntx, out i nave I ... . ... . . ui cnainaea or :.:.. si a k. i .v - I corami.iacs, w.io were criosea lor th.i e t - .. L.a - . a - of Lord, he ha - t never lmowe. ara - !. .L" "? increase our force, the other party to I " "peueu. i sincerely nope that the Amencans I .'' r iruui, sou Grruiuiv a aiu do. asous so iummm u j - ;ttjK. . ,a . n a. .u "arraVr noliceof anit.,.tVn fJ:..7l;i. Lhen tliey emerM from thU eonU it wi k rk nnoo it onestion whether ths - a SoTitlT i. f .t.rrr IismiIi whieh I ? fmlttM .tbat Hoosa bring eqaaTly divaied thsiZ. ' itep. had been taken in abaolnte witl - .n feelings of horror which it excite in M ai it I mav follow from this civil war - if ail shaU be sincerelr clad I formed bv Tblo - J. - W.L! - :!0.1! - i - dlMf - th"Ukar7 hutlwUhtocaathaatteutionof thaGorernoWnt ..Vitt: th. period wlien it woull be ab - o - U Prrat:.l'r;' - . from what has lately taken place, that ? P?' PiB.t "l9" ." - "r,UoB.PtJ aWllreX to revert to lb. ntw fliw,r:Ua tneir owo security to do so : but ther r'" ' aomiuiou does prevail among the - Americans. I ar( - - . a w , - w - 1 i. ., ,i t t - i . "sraaert Ihemselve to violate th. trtwitCt l - hether it be directed to tha north or the sooth, the rm" taken, are taking, or inten - l to take any p H1,'0" wU be better U abila. ahan.nte naral snnerioritr of Ameri ia on ths lakes ? flfaar I PV4" counsel the temptation to be ot liana!!, - 4.k. - . hear.l M ' oom?u" 'utosu.ch a fixthatUA voices tiiaS. The Duke ot SOMERSET. The notie. intimating the .k . k:.k .. it - I r111 anmoent . promise of rapport 4n!d drrMa ... in readiness to place upon the lakes any amount of force I operation! of the army. If they had gone on the supposi ther please ; while we, aa far aa I can judge, hare hot taken I tion that there wa plenty of time, if they had eudearourol termination of tha arrangement which had for so many year happilr prevailed between the two countries was rem red Hons agaiaat it.' rjrornise of tupputl 4n!d drtid. tia' fer t la which waa "uviaesl thelaUciL tniprtivel. Hoeaa sponding position. (Hear, hear.) God - forbid that th. . . . ' a "VVla "r??" ' rYa eontinuaUy brought before the Cabinet, and 1 1 oaiot w trenjthea rather than to weaken t'leir hands. apprehension of dancer should be oonfirme.1 or aai:.l u - ner, tne iniieraie wouid long before now ,hsll be nrenare.! to state, when tha nrooer tima eomes.what - Mr. .V. MIUvsaid thai . - U ,af. - .' . .. but. there are certain eventualities which might arise bre bn "erwhelmed, and erery on. of the place they I course Her Majesty's Government have taken. I practice of the Houso of Lords theyouht not tooreHouki u. ua . snreaieninK eircumstanec wniofi are well I wuc so prreerrs wouia nare oeen lost, we ajjs, as ua been. I The Karl or LOXOFOKD thought It of great importance I circumstance tnat in uealing witn the private Doaineaai known to all nf rone Iml.kin. k..l. :..W 1. 1 - ..ll n.l . . ... . I .a... a - - - : ; i.a'.a d IW IIai.u ..11.... I.' T - a . ""USineaai miata.1 br lf.V .! ' ......T - ..r' "5 V "rTf," : " P0"" - to ask for mean of erectinir fortifieition for th. ,l,f.ne f ."'"i 3 Canada. They admit that ther see ths dance, and th.. 1 - tea country, jnit that the danger can onlr he met successfully by a large ucfence. me people 01 yaoaos are really tie - I reierrncs aunni.i i ma.ie. ia connexion "lunar ue - 1 r - - , i i t "T ' ". ,c" " ne exevRsed by rappearto be, of continued eon nexiba with "nn taua - ia, to tne prosecution 01 wie great msiarouuM u - ,T - ""r - 't'H:' 'a - "'O K hIiatu tba. and of n.ti .hJZl . i i ' .k 00 Briti,n rritory between the AtUntis and Pacific That chairman of the committee upon a Bill tha ageat Jar thi and of patting themselves forward for their I .... .i.. ajL, ,. ,a. , .:.i.(: , I promotes afurwar.la ooiutrll nnt - v . we are bound In. honour to gire them such I one Government, aod.great advantages both civil aod milt - I - Jmit VO d - rnacs which he said weresag - , - r.fed bv the LeniT V.0UU1UU110U 01 ; men irora vanaiia ana tne other pronoce ; assistance aa we can. (Hear, hear.) I deeply lament the tary, would no doubt attend, the opening of that - line of M upoo nw inquiring wnetner he.meantthe Lords Cnrn - but, Colonel Jervois justlr observes, men are not suffi - position in which w. are placed. I deorseats a war with communication. It should si, be mentioned that of the JMttee or Lord Re.levlale; he repUe - I that in rverv lastaaes," j'iV - L0.",'10"'. erM,jy'0"''nimental America Wfatal to tha best interests nf rtjTeonnt,! - ..i British emigration H7.0IX) had rine to th - SuVk and onlr h meant Lr,rdRedelaie. When thev were askad to admit that fortifications for the. defense of Montreal aod t.nt. J? I11 lntt l both countriea, and 13.OM to British prorinea. Xot onlr fortm - ea. but garri - t!ir practice tliat it might conform tJ that of t Ho5 ' Quebec are object of primary aod Dressina - imnortane. roa. of producing, under any circumstances, the .., . ,ni.! for th. d.f.n - . nf r.nK a.l i. Lords, it was important that ther shouU h.,. i i.i.aT' .k i v anotuerquesuon ot pressing import - 'S" - v "l so any one. uut we may Da compeUad by became our duty, by every means ia our power, to encourage lu wramiueei rua a practical aathont to eiwrje and, anca that, in the event of an outbreak of hostilities, tha honour to engage In the, hostilities, and Canada must the stream of emigration to our own provioees in preference work to do. Hiving acted as chairman of eemHtee. ha! American Government should not at first hare the eom - do more than merely express a desire tomm.m oth'r - prorinees on the Pastas a weH m on foaI'., 'magtne the - possibiUTy of a eommittre KriiH? p!atj mandof the Ukes. Jler Majeaty. Gorernment are pre - nauA i - TT? )XZL"fTl mj j? iLfTv the Atlantie.andther Mheunitedforcommoudefenee. ;eircumstaaee. of great erabarraasmeirt b, thal.Waa, pared to ask a laree amount nf nif,rnrfif;n... - i.:.k nD"t alnguora : tha mutt da more than .".. . ... ... - ; beinr ,lenri.l f is. .,,tit. .1.1, ,7 - Tlfr" ow adioit - to be of urgent neoeesity, but I donot merel7 V AcU which may ultimately lead to the . Vtl ' I narriut mentioned SSS itS - 5. "JiS! . tunatsriril war .If hnn.k Il7.. i. i2. " A "a UK.. .7...: T"I 'rrTTl'il'Z ?"B.e I0T IM CWMOC ot Wna - U. . . ; 77 - - ... wiav 1 "j 14 r' w uivina .no sou waica onzm to De in certain .vents thn am mKI. 1.i;...1,.i.. il: 1 i.l 'u.t.ltu. k - a Lf.a .a 9 . I thTffitiXi siT. - "T. a - T" - Jl, V..OT"i - T . .a.T."2 7 XnV..Za. - lm7 P0 - .a a .a i . ". ' " tmimjrrai. icunii oim uiemieii m tneir lamiiies, unless, 1 sar, ther that ther hare taken a sin.!, at.nnntil rka. s I am nnraia . fk. . Tl.k L. - 1 J to provide any fortifications, and, a far as I know, they oblige n to endeavour to assist them, any really; useful, hire done nothing to prevent tho American Gorern ment efficient assistance it will be impossible for us to afford, haring a preponderating force upon the lake. 1 should be Canl mutt be defended br Canadians. (Hear ' hear - ) - ; - - awiii uw dccu vsaen eitner in I " uo noi, we snau saennea many of the inllint Mr. BEUGHT tafclhatj?r re were tw.v oi'mSm v . Lord WHARNCLIfTK thought "?t would ba abaurd to I!Ii, - h315,l:,.t, "hica were - construct exoensive fortiScaUout at Quebec unless they TVil .k. - - m. i . CT.1'1 "?wrai - je thj tnaaeac. erected luffieicnt earthworks at a proper distance from the .tl? ..Th - T accustomed to beficr. St. Uwrence. He wi,he! to know what Oorernment in - !i.: "."S"8 f J7c wm "n; .WieviB that th. tende - ltodowith respect to earthwork!, which were ad - JrZl JZZl Ty - !" - ' - - f !aar mittad to be more efficient than fortification!. 7 k h ci th' VJa arui a to d. EarlDE GREY and RIPOV sai.l that as to the obserra - I would continue to be so even if thev weritoiiee taT hatha Ed I number of members to three instead f.mrr If hi an tho. r wa naotralLte - 1 be waa afraid; the - chairman wouli. ere going no .j . , .'"yCr. 7a. i. . a . i . ."r moner for de "J vV .,', V(T" '! Mtamn Job,. dancer, but tJ,rei...tilmoin,n,Tn,nTT. " - " - i - VTTT, io" f . t, Vwt. I. x. K a ' . "f - "". 'ucu ,? cu?e - .w". water water which reuuire imme.iiats 7. 3wLVn iXll. TZ limnTZZZJ IT... ZZTx tt v".k "Z" sJ i 1 . " ""la" J - kij - Tlt - i - TTt : - Z!l ne.:00?nr ""ea &'",lj'5.i.ik&! .t - P, klh the VrT ?. - ! prepsring at tii. important position - namely. Quebec He woull not how. WmMmarttS7 nrT.. ., .v. - , , k .T only intended to spend 50,0001. this year. I content with voting only M,axV. for the purpose of forti - I in the worid.' to spend tM.(tO0L in the eouree of the present I tke0 "T month to prepare, which mfghf Bare uroNd tusri of UtLKUY Thsn I srant to V.. - k.tk.. kl. I - ua. lumi am wio uiaoe 01 emoareatioa ot our troona I rear. The wnrki nir season iiTCanaa from th. rhin. I a vast exDenditnre andenira..nl the lahonpa ik. t.u - threaten anH Immiaml l. n. I if we should be COmtwlled to TO to War. (IfHar hear Tki. 1 (k. .Km.f. . . . .J - ...L I men in mu.eV.'i. - i - 11 . or four yeari until the fortificationt are complete. (Hear I 6o' Bcw "hject to former Oorernment. although itTmeneement of uch undertaking's they could not spend tha I heriof tha cornj - .tt vote.ta;aio it. U rejected. iJtkj,; hear.) The Government are to ask this veir nil fIV on ... mT l . present. If the Minister will look through same amount nnon them as ther wouI.Um ahl to .U af t... I n equal number vote - ! for it. The rmnmNi.,. ,v, , "" sosai sum 01 itis.i,tsjt. to be expended on fortifi. I ji , i. V " 7" " .Dn, i cannot ten warns. . otning couia t an nnut t'arlument bad voted I uo JU lTur 01 taa measure which was lelore taecemca. cations at Ouebsc while the Canadian flomnm.nt . I e"eyln which department some opinions of the lata I tha moner. Then ther would have to hnv th. lan,? an.l k.n - n I as one whieh was calculated to he of rmhlie .'.J M spend 4(X),O0Of. or JOO.OOOf. at Montreal And jel' th) Wlbtlhi The rV).0CrY. inelude.1 in the eitimatet wa the the repU3ee of a CMtnprtsnmpti&B would bet Biafc. tmri, wimisung tne urgencyof the danger and the I rnrZ - rjil " - - .j i - , Q, nuoesui. i i sum wnicntnaomcersortneromaeation IUpartmtnt thought I "J injustice to tne - great engineering interest, and to am 'TW'liZJZ:' ' - - - - " ." - v irora tne into I couhl De atrantageousiy. laid out auring tha ensuing season ; I "up wereem:ageiin .ureeungeenVrpiiseof UnttuUT. of W elUngton a far hack a 1828, and I know it wa one on J but it woull of ixMirseUpossible,aa!waysharn - eoedin IheJ In h" opinion, the number four waun.jC!sBTtodcl mar be reduosd In "OfirV an k.f I. k. lsu uv .uouxu. very ueepiy and strongly, and on whieh ho I ensea. to avrr.n.1 liner anma irra.iha,,Unt ... T. I with matters of this kind f hmr k...l .T. l.. Vvi .u)n.wUK a uupc mat wneu tne tne on ect oi tne ttorernmenl to proceed with these works I aumeut ow oeen given lor nannz four metubers iBssrid sf. - threatening aspect of affair, propose to spend 2D0.0OCV. upon I t - 1 eomninnieations on the subject from tha Duko certain fortificaUons, and only sks for 50,(m7 thu year ofj'irton haek a 1828, and I know it wa one on which indeed may be reduced to Z0.0fXliL 10 that In the lch , t,ho,1?n7rT deply nd strongly, tnd on which he course of tea veari these" fortifications, npon whieh the 7, rlncucr7 ' aafety of the Jforth American prorineei depewl. wiU be Tram'ni "? eonrtrucla.1, while tho danger, if there be any, may occur 9 Vn not in vasrshnttn th. LJvJ ..u. tii' CL JV , Colonel whieh ha deprecata ss much as any one the use of Isnguic" which "r4"" "'the Duke may tend to Increase tho eiasreration of fe.tinVl,l,k I on the matter. (Has prevail, and I fear doe preratl, in the Unite.! State Earl RUSSELL. I own I. - very - much regret that my wu..,, to, , uuir common pruuenoo I noma inena nas uecmwi it necessary to bring on this dis iZ .i aT a i tnaaeience oi I a rapi.iiy a possible, consistently with th. due solidity ami I n"e, except tnat loa House hail undertaken more bciieas. a ,lUaT? wl:? 0,6 "port of this I permanenea of tha fortiitcation to be oooatracto.1. sn! I than it could properlv carry through. As tha Mmbriwaa bean laid on tha table, bnt will ev to k. I 4k. k . ..v. u..i: i i . t . . 1 to h. f.,,. k. .n....i.r - .i.:. :.: CTS iT of Wellington and consult bit witdotn I thoir execution as, gnidad by tha profesaional advice they I al1 to the rejectioa of nmegriit an.1 usefil eoierrrusv r, hear.) I e - oeireJ. ther should daem simli.nL 1 beeatua two luembees ont of TK. four, ali.l r...r H,;7H It nentlr threatenlni. an!l T mn.f ska v "nl - eussioo. liar Majesty' Qor.rnnient are bUmcl fof'pnb tor thought It a remarxahly useful nentir threatening, and I must y that a far a I can i:.ki . .a , . . . . I have a ml effect nnon tha eoontrv. ea t ie Oorernment bare pot ttken. araato ttot to r'" he nioet th. great, urgent, and imminent danger. (Hear, hear.) "9 - whioh we hae. taken it thU. - having to proride a I to brin on.7 ica " 1 nelicrettut theCanala in a pecuniarr sense are rnth.v a remedy for the weakneasof Canada. wahr.nna..nt.,.1 .clr.wpartro.vp., - Iriagour'triK,, there wit W rrl, - er l - f ln the occasion of the 'Addiw." fo the ,ZV', nrr - ,wW.:rftf those troopl "but I ' mwo .wt "1,n I"tingout1.ii.,,.ly what I va.v...aaa luu i..rca. - niivg state 0r a!lirs in North America, expressing no opinion as the course to K. mm.i leavinif, to Her Majesty's Gorernmerit the responsibility of w.inf ,..vuiiuus n, unxh ,aj iwigiMe ttancrt. Bat Her Majesty' Gorernmcnt liave now taken a Itep. which I think enlira! justific the queation pnt by the noble lord opposite, (Hear, hear.) Her Majesty' Government have laid before I'ariUmcnt a report howing the dcfcnceles state of one of our most important colonies, and calling tha attention of this country a well aa of foreign jwuntrict to that deftnea - lest condition s and In so doing it em to taa that Her Majeaty Gorernment rather invito discussion this subject, and aeek to aaeartsin, not la a formal shape, but from tha eiprealon of individual msmK. wbu U tha opialaa af Parliament, j I cannot help thi.king. bow ever, that, if Her Majesty - . Oortmnient &!.tr did not tell ut how th. colony wMjtTb. Z.h ! oetatlmV: Above ll.bed,d - UU wbaTwa. toli." on the laltcs NVica had been riven oemlcrlL.t the American fioraenmsat iatalnl 12 trtaltl,s treaty of 1817, aod to establish a foel?. Mr. Ku - cll. la his aU. work oa C, Lor.1 LYVEfcEJT could not lika th. nobl. lor.1 4k. yoU la f"ur. Vreign SecreUnr, regret tha oocurrenca of that discussion. I Mr - MILSER'GIBSON' said that for hit owa part ht one, and likely to I tnat toe number of the committees had ever lesa Tn.Iiuaf It ... - - - I cnaneni irom nva. Illsar. hear I in tK. naJ, Mme. hould have wished I v' fi" thachairma tha .innuenea to ba paMed by wheat I Was nOW tha llUOStian at iasns was in t! - . nn.. - inn that is Tha subject than droppexL and their lordship adjourned V. . opinion ahoull prevail h sho - Ud tat tw out - at KiminnttTnVT.ilr ' jvmtosu I of four member to ajrHa - witJ. him - wHi!. is tk esss af a. ommiwaa ot lour ne must get twnoutor these to sr with him. a that if h. wm in tS. l.t'.. i.i,. L, t HOUSE OF COMMON'S, 3Ioxdat, Feb. 20. a - T iaA9. vote' - .8 :nnittee eomp.sed of fir, 0 - .. - I juaucaoi ci moral lauuenca prejrai - ;n; woull oaitimj - Thu SriAxnt took the chxir al 4 o - docg. 1. . - ;,k k" iM. i:Pm?.?a!ct7f, PRIVATE BrjSIS'ESS. I (A laurh.) Now. it was not - so far a. h U a... tXs - srkll Tlie.foUowtni Hill were errrJIr resJ a aonn.1 tin,. . I0' tnattoosato lessen tha inuii'nce of the chairman, aha. Aberrstwith and WeliK Coast Railirar Afnn Vn.i?.';! I a a general rule, might be resumed, to hive more eira , uroniiey uss; uury et. iylmunds andThetford Kail, I r"uoc me otner mem uers ot tLe committee ; aii ne ur 'Cambrian KilwavV(Onst Extension) ; Carnarvon Xew I no thr way iu which that iuutiencj coull b" uplirlil h a (.nesteruriu, .Newooi.t, aad uuostooe Road ; Clithe - I wtM7Tli'tTOO 'our toan oy givin; aim a iem..roieia ua - economy. I say, therefore, that it would bo a Ua'.inj - di - r0! to take, part In protecting their soil from in vaainn Ik. - , n. - . . - m . .j o - .v - tr - . - .TL "T" roon;.l.nl tk.t .,;.; . . - i k..ii' - .. .'.... lti.1 in Minlrllml. 1..1. f .1.1 . 1 - 1 ., .. . I ... - ' . . - ia,i.,. drain upon our reree and if it were possible that a large iliowing thu defect to which tha remedy was to be aDDlied fiWSSil ItOughL Urem.nbaradt.iat OS.'SS rata and esUhMsh their Independence, I do not believe it w"" ""7 nw, pernapa, oa oi a very eonslderablo would bo eitlier for the interest - or ths honie nf tk:. I amount at first, bat which mar coma to b. nr. r 00JJnto endoavrmr tomaintain them in an unwillingand 'ntire year. In order to obtain the assent of the House of v. . "ay. nowerer, as Uommons to our proposal it i nacessarr to show tolh tk. they are earnest in their dot re to mi nU n that con. t i i .T .,, . now oin the nexion. the tie not onlr nf lnt,ri W t C. " :.ki - ... ?.. ot mV that it wUl be efficient. Tha nobis to socond tneir enoru at far a we possibly can. I differ ' compiainen very mucn of tne yeart which American risesmons. for I think that the command of the ha. been justly remarked, there were two thing, to be "JT i Brunswick are of tha utmost rain, to n. i I proved - one wa. tiat Canada required improved forti - """V LWsV. .hail .JnmTV; wmipT to which I nu to contnoute largely for that object. If the Govern - of Glasgow Union): Glasgow (Citr) Union lilwar. tersralSrh Wcomaforwar,lthrc.ycOTagoda.ked.haHouW OT. i h3 - jLctin Raifwajfct ;.. ,a: :.j. - i . - 7. i; ' . . .1'. oi summon lor a urea vote for the fortification f r..ij. I tulTU iwmwsv .ri'i sejsisioi ironius,not D? tneir I .a .a a a .a : cnotidered that no decision at all d beta arrive.! at, ta otMtructive effect would, ha thought, be. f roJaced: aor could h' admit thit when a eoiinit" a' four hal besa (Additional Powers) ; Great Eastern Itait I hytho Hcsisa there lia.1 been in'r g - - neral asJer jrtford, ia,. Rail says); Great Eastern J "t - 'nding that the chairman was to bars enlraaagfetpta,. Mr. CMTHlTER thouht Uiehjo. racrawr for Tanstsa scarcely correct when U4 ssv'1 that V" - mtxu ha.1 ooea o HacTnVt ,, sWrZ K IS tho great body of the House would have said WW,7n. W Bi? StI countrv wbo,wiilb7 T ' ' ' 'f '"' o defend them - HtTngs aTTt. howerer unsuccessfully, by a neutraUtv at all event nor? - 11,.. ih..m.l..... aso, suey navo none, s rer , noraionu n aier , tviaaerminster. 9tHirpirt. an 1 brpueht forward with the Vies - to assimilsU tU prsceeeoT farour.ible to the North tlTan MiSmf, thtJ "J l',Mthj aisltommk, 7Z' i1 l.f.P the V1 .Co to. thtof - the IH.W. of Lrls. tt I say that underthos, clrcumsUnees.to .Uow the coly f? P"Pr't,"' n"e lh "pense. we are aske.1 to " S 71 was bht forwanl rather to carry tuts, ; promaa to be wrested from us. withoat putting forth the Uke ' P ourselves? So,, ther are not disposed to cashire ,ml &hi Uac whole . trength of the empire, aided aa we sho'uld be by the go to any expense to defend their sqU." Under tbWe wawpUta - l 'ihl IV ? a , K colonUU themsclrc, wouU be an endless .Uicraco and n. circumsta' - ce could w. noM . n V - vr..V? xf !!' vuZ t - t. a? re Ki"r?rS Lutoq subsUtution of tha numW three for four was rejctrl - nominv to which I hopo this Muntrv S n.Zh. cireum.U - ce could we, could any Coverameat expect WLS M.stley. Thorpe, tnj Waltoo ll - rar :.Vewea,t! motion which he rerrsticdt say bed! Inot soccaedji gct - (Hear'hear) country win never submit, to get a large sum of money from the House of W - TyM Improrem?i,t ; North - Eistern Railway IGilline. tmg the House to alopt. - T E.rlOIiAVVILLE.1 cannot help thinkin - tha' the Comm?a, The earl opposito aaid we ought quietly tfASw iSmt?g?Z' Sh' xhv the chainn oi. noble lonUnfoUowing tho culfnf tAZ ''.t d , 1b l hind me and charging the Govcrnmont wi h iodiretion in WCK - quietly and silently! I know not and Monmouth Ititlwar; Ross Imrrorraient : St. AI 1 tterl'M lading this report Wore Parliament, ha, token ? t. - c aolde earl, h. been first LonI of Wf'' V'T)' ISrTadaocor aggeratodvlewoftheruhject. I do not see how it is pol T,""7.M ared ?n,(W)(. quietly and l"J nl"r - - Meh ho might put th - esLa. iBr h - .iUeto come to Parliament for moneyed Dennf - r'1. mentioning t to the Hooto oT Commons. V?Ll?; " ii - t?brM An fersU' '; . UtTod, aad th. - Vrtthe IIear,hear.") - without some official d. tupoa which T "T ?" M ) Ith - ' - ath mril Bren Jn rimn KKS. - IT mHV lobaaesuch in application, and, a Jffitt "? ,fi - Idbe erected in Cana - la Wimbledon Extension Rsilwar ; Tonuay' GTyri tZr'tiTZ retaryifSUtafor War ha. already - .xi.1, it was really tl 1 T.T' "f1 Mog 1 .MrW? - Tl1 1' l i iiliw.. - l. .i - l..tv.uii w UlCiruwa LHTU - ,L - i - a. . , ., .. ... " i - . n i.i.t - - a .a ..... .. . . iiiai wo ouent to nave tnouint or thn k.r... ii,uie. aueuuuiciorusaysnatudiia.n Menanilereatchanm I a , - , . . - : . rm of pedicy i to bo adopted bv Her MaWtr. rWr.; f . 'ua " oen. mr ' - eated fnend Sir O. "orne - V li.unliv..kt..ii';.i.,i.. A.'., o - .... . I sww wai at toe arffioa he ha.1 the tubiaet. arW I si ........ ..... v. .u.ulcyau me w.rca Uirecn. II a;ataa a. . . ... - hvui i ic ...u tfinuiia - iiners OI liiacKroC'X anil fentn tk. deny, howerer, that there has been aay grest change. (Hear ' i. frU5n .late aad ciutrattta - of CaaaOa tosirncommitsmmTsof Kng.town; both in the countrof hear.) The defences of Canada luvo bjan a snb?et nf tk. " lv TV. .ioso wno nave iiel t the offioo I iuoun : or jir iiopwoon, Iro - n the Jltror and Corpora - met anxious colZonTT.rti. rt ZZ, l.1? .'.ten!? JLT1 mreJ.or"!&. I Cli'leroe ; by MrJri,, from the Major, SS . . t ..,.. u,,a,K auC uu.i.uc and end of the l" uur.TOci .ewcaaiie - under.i,yme : by Mr. bowcrcr, asacrU most positively that there has been - a Pt war a different disposition has been manifest k. AYRTOy. from bmkers. merchants, trru' - r. .n.l ..C :J udden change in our policy. Sow, there it no doobtthat Ca.n.tv, - l,to wV,n ns "nacrly the euo. There, is a strong I lhe: Tower Hamlet; by Sir J. Joirsirrovz. from the Canada is bound to t'keiier share, and that a conaiderablo '" - '."j. aijtwuiu toiorman extensive.confede. I Jiayor and tyeroration of rcarbormgh ; by Sir it. CoLLtER, one, in the defence of her country. What ha been tb. ih. nr - - ,.H il. . .. n T .7"0" ner,"''' 1 ijmoutn - .bvjir.lSLAcx At one time the Government Canada absolutely disriUonsppearedtheGorornment tho'ughtitwa theirdntv fcirsh : y Sir F. GoLtwitri - . from rUa.!ing ; by Mr. HCTT . . . ,m ii uoiuy recently ... r, 7 .ug . aarong case to place l" raerousnt aai iraoersoj oi - eacl ; ay Mr. Has - hat we have ha.1 a Grernment thero with which wo coul 1 - m . '?a',?' Gommons, and reasons which, I trust, BCBr.'from Fulhsm and Twickenham ; bv Mr. B.tRhfG. dosl at all u,n the subject, and it was not, therefore, until ? iluk,.. JT, ?,nt ProPl - '"'norhrn ; by Sir J. OoiLvy. from th, rmrrtratet ... n ' .ii, - , . v,.'erc'or, - Dn,'l Uimplamt ba also been made that onlr 50,0001. U asked for "J Town Council of Dndee: bv Ur Cant Ewivr. the Government W come forward m thU honoarahl, now; but, m, lord it Is .for the offic'al person. !odr fmmtlie ProroaatratXd To Conri! ofPsb - and patriotic spint that wa Iil any real eronnil up - f'th vote in the other Howe to explain whr this ainount W : by Mr. S. A. BctrMovr. from tie Ksokers. mer - on which we could como. to Parliamjnt with any uiwii"wo,w"iioi oruia upon tkth l'4iJeliiiiiiiJmjiilMtirtnJ.ifesillM.Trj& proposal' which wu likely to meet with tho subtest ,0dAa before Petition, for re - lre,. of grievsnce. csaJoa.4 ky the mioc.. .1 da. not. know that anv greater proof of the be J no vu tba eom.tonnU - t',.n hre K'Tal and Indian armies we pro - good will entertained towards u. oy the Jour can bo therefore to b 2hd Kt - I'rT,lt. il ?MhJ 8TA?r. from Ueutenant White ; br Mr. lduced than the following rea.duti.Hi, which w adopted raiwl There it howrern. Unf J"L, " bo.e' J.wrrrBT. from Lieutenant - Colonel E. P. Lynch, of the at a conference of delegAt - he! 1 at (ia'elio in reference to revTr "as e7ub?eitlT 1 Reiuient Bomhav Infantry ; Major Charles Baugb. of ?t ffiffiKir s "t ougnt to t order to defend Test, but of honour. - ( - . , 7 . . . mw. ua,w i. ininr soil in connexion wita tireat IJriti Hf"': ,tl,jlc taryn'pl9Vte honourable, spirit by rea.lT to expend our resource, in I "w.t ti" ,' VTT". Z "i" - There is no them, That it a point not only of int doubttbst thequestion of the lakes is a very difficult one. but I Th. nobis lord nnrv.it. ha. sk.a vi 1 - , tune in .Noveinber that this question eeived iu considering this as a war for the destructoTf lad been rsased. Tha ideUlor. say. that there ha. lea a slarery. For rar part, I hare alwar. thoulhLnTr atlf peat no ation of treaty. That j. a very atrontj expression the opinion at the commencement of th?w,r thi tt2 to be aptUe. to the conduct of tha Americana, leli.ving a. part of the North it was a eo.test for'emrS (W Wrtl w. do tliat they hare, ,n putUng an arm! p,r,nue cutter Just a. I beUere our contest i. rilU 2m.iT""i." - r i0,.'? '."W .tWf. l;83,wa..aoote,t for empire for StWS most patrwUo ooure. - , ont ihowing too, do unnatural alarm, and had our position been simtb - to tMrtl W.I b lnour discuss... on thu suLject to speak with the acted much th. Northern WUte. d7ri. I do nnt rrestest modrraUou - ud csioiDoaa. As lnu kn.... .. I l . iti .a - TT . aoD. 1 do not threartrong foelinp which aniniat, both d 'oS 1 uTtZttuT? rWwOTS?jaft Henrv P. mnse - nf 'the lats .'list Keim.nt Romk.. r.r.. try ; V Mr. IL BAllilE. from Colonel Snow, of the Bengal Cavalry ; Major Bradford. 23d Regiment Bengal Native In. fantry, and Captain Armstrong, of the - Itb Regiment Bengal Europeans ; by Colonel SrKES. from Maine H. EL JannK ISth Regiment Bombav Infantry: Brevrt - CapUin Fellows, of tliefith Regiment Bomhav Infantry, and lieutenant H W. Harri, of tha 10th Regiment Bombay Native In fan try" by Mr. ADASf. from lieutensot - CoIonel W. C. Gott, of the xeugai apiantry, ano irora iaptain and Brevet - Xajor Cun. pan. of the late Lata. Kegtment Bengal .Native InfaaaW and by Mr. SjtOLXTTT. from Colonel Geor TV Hly7; lata Pra'U'ons wereabn prraen'tad. br Uf. Bum fw . pablia Bsecting of inhabttanlt ' ef. Lead. apUstitht) radatv the House would finrlv!etDe - l:en to return to five. iic! was. much bitter than tlie LiiWa - r f .sir, vr aiopt ta rr - - "iton of the hoa." member for Walsall i I St theBarabtr - athree. . - ' - . - i Jlr. PEACOCK E believeil tlie Hons? had rrenfolsced to - reject the motion of tha hon. niem'ner.for Walsilf en tha uikleretantling that ths prorition of Ms tion. aad gHant friend, the nvimU - r for XortU Ltasulure was to ba" screed to. It n.w aptoare.l. bo - evrr, that whatever ia - ffnenee bis boa, andg - l?snt friei.l ruisbt have rim" the.fr - si.lent of the Board of Trail... tha inflaenre - f th hoa. fatib - . Jvr for Birmin?ham was still - greater. f..r tiic right bon.gra - . tlenian seeme.1 to hare departed from the views which lebekr on a former ooc - uion. when he !ro.'es - d to ri'irtrd the resc - ive merits of three and four - iasa awt .cf - Sella - ssig - HoIsM r question, and to be rtther la favour ofj.acB a pro,3jiia thixt under dismssi - jn. - - . " Sir F. GOLTVSMID contend! - thii if T";e pronoo! were - a.1npted the Hous - woul 1 not bo bvin down a rule t tha - gnidaase of committee, bit "rattier nii' aaiabtrof point tending to rabirrasa tliern. The result, iadred.wold be th'a nales a rezular cc 1c as to the Bu3nrr ia which the - proeeeiliaga should be con - loctyl and t.'ie question put .ere - drawn np, the chairman woulr. get back in an indirect - rsjr that inflaenca of w hich it was now sonit' ? deprive bini. During the last week, he uiicht ad.L ttelsairman of "Vjj and Mean v nn.ltr a power gim hiia by s slte.ling order of last yas, ha.1 '"lied certain regulations ir accor Janes wita which he would have, a . cutisr vote ia the event of tabra ' beinganequalitvof roieei among the rirees oo private - . ISII. If. therefore, the preseut proposal eregree.l lathe lathe House woull be makia; irconsistcn: awl ctmaijjnt iuItj wjth rejird to the tnoiaitioa tf pnrife lai?. Colonel Wl LSOX PATTEx said it t only a eaair - Biaa utterly uaacquaiatad 'with tha raje - aad ttjda - . of patting questions iu the House wb would. act Ua - . tha manner aaggested by the bon. meraber. The' qnlr - reasoa for ehirginj tha system of the.'IJouse W tles iraatter was that in practie it had besa rsnnd by ik.. r - J OaLeinn as sitiMariv dilEcaut. to obuia fiv soemhm to serve apost - aaeJa sosimittee that it baesrae neeesaary to eosasJer whether itwas aWal - W rewrite to adhere to that numb - r. Agrestdeal wtatob said i farour of both views, but the Hausa last Session . aUrrotad by a aaosiiarshJ. aiajortty that tk tamksr aagtt uon or toe mart - tax : oy xr. rllDniLD, from the ta be rexiiiced. From tha txpressioc or cplaion now pu. guardians of the poor of tha Bory Uaioa, tUtiriz thai the fasarsL aWJwtver, it Meaed that tha wtfa .aswls -

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