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't-H 'V t. iwni' nlnrinnrriri ir. then sW ssxtk' chart aa fol- that they are disloyal ment. -These are jnost clifirgeo, He made them flratbefore the ewtfture SAYS' THAT HE SAW. dlclal ilstrlet.

of July le be Judge of. the etxJidloil-dl- to be district attorney or the Thirty sixth Judicial district ei Texas, appointed; Hon-W. xww au Aiaiiis he' member of. board of regents. Unix.

FOIUER CAST VOTE FOR ABILENE year Is 4SM It Dividing MS employes Into that glvee lsU aa the average There are M0 students In attendance at the tnaln university, snaking one employe -for every eight students. This uj oary the salaried list and does ot take Into 'consideration the rest of the appropriation, amounting to some-' thing Ilk a million dollars. WANTED TO LOAD DOWN MY ADMINISTRATION. The witness gave other figures showing a total of (40.000 appropriated In the 3t years the university has been in existence and 'over tl. 200,000 appropriated in (tovemor Ferguson's last two years, making an average annual appropriation of tUM.IM forjthe previous period as verslty oi Tens, appointed, June 1, to succeed, Dr.

George, 8. MoReynolds resigned. vr- John Ward, of Bell eountjfo be member, of board of regents, lUnl" verslty YexAa, '-ajpeanted Juris 10. iignedT Vt Hon. Frank Uoknighti Webb Rose, J.

P. Fielder, antes Ditto and Leslie Coul- ten. all of Tarrant county, to be members of the uord of manager Ombbe Vo- cational appointed Jury. Ia 1917. 1 Hon.

Curtis Hancock- of DeJlaa, Hon. H. C. Odle of Bosdue. and; Hon, Thomas 'R.

Metean Tot" Titus eeun- ty, to be members tit the 8tateHtchway commission, appointed. Juae 1912. Hon. Will P. Brady of.

Et Pssoi court- IV to he 1 ud re of the -bounty court at V' law of El Paso county, appointed June SI. MM. ia Hon. I. T.

Valentino of Tarrant county to be Judge of the county court -for civil Tarrant county appointed Juwe 15. 117, to succeed Hon. Oeorge lL Hose, resigned. Respectfully submitted; James B. ferguSon.

of Texatv Department Leader Announced Saturday (Astonat4 Prtu Report.) WASHINGTON, August officers to command tho departments of the regular army relieving the major generals detailed to service w(th thO( troops were announced as follows: Major General Arthur Murray, western department: Major General Wt V. Duvall. southeastern department; Brigadier General John Huckman, southern department; Brigadier General John A. Johnson, northeastern department; Major General William H. Carter, central department; and Brigadier General J.

P. Vlser. Hawaiian department, and Brigadier General E. Hoylo, eastern department Major General Clarence P. Townsley has been appointed to command in Panama.

Brigadier Goneral B. D. Hoyle, eastern department FOUE CARS BEE COUNTY POGS. One Carload Shipped to Texas A. and M.

College. (From the Beevtlle Bee.) Bee county Is steadily maintaining her reputation as one of the leading log-raising and hog-shipping counties of Texas. Lost week B. R. Atkins St Son shipped out four carloadx.

One car went to the Texas Agricultural and Mechanical col lege at College Station and three loads went to Fort Worth. The car for the Agricultural and Me-chlnacal college comprised 125 head of' Hed T.ast year Messrs. Atkins siUpped car of hlack bogs to the college. The) are used for experimental purposes ot various kinds. The college has been veiy well pleased with the Bee county animals.

Last week's shipment makes a tol of about 130 cars shipped out by Atkins Son this year. They maka a business of buying hogs from farmers. They purchase from one head oh up. Some farmers, of course, ship their own bogs to market. Taking this Into consideration.

It Is safe in estimate (his year's shipment of hog as totaling 300 carloads. A carload of pork has bringing right around $1000. It can be readily discerned that many thousands of dollars are emptied into Bee county channels of trade via the swine route. It is an Im-' mense Industry and growing. FAEMEE SERIOUSLY KNIFED.

NegTO Arrested and Taken From Marlin to Waco Jail. ttJjilen Psi Sr'CMi.) MARLIN, Texas. August IS. Jim Smith, a white farmer, 45 years of age, was reported In a dying condition Saturday night from two knife stabs In hia Stomach and breast Inflicted at 2 o'clock Saturday afternoon by a negro, who waa immediately arrested and carried to Waco and lodged iu Jail. The negro had been picking cotton for Smith, who resides six miles east of Mar-Hn.

A diphte had arisen between the parties Over a difference of 40 cents in the settlement. Greatest Heroes of the Canine World (From National Geographic Magazine) The Belgian police doga. on account of their ability to detect and' capture criminals, and the great St. Bernards, which were famous for their rescues of travelers lost In the Alpine snows, were considered the greatest heroes of the canine world until the present war introduced the Red Cross dogs whose deeds of valor In front of the front line trenches have saved the livn of thousands of sorely wounded. Child Drowned in Wash Tub.

lAisoctated Pint Rrfort.i ORANGE. Texas, August 18. The IS-months-old daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.

L. Taylor, who reside four miles west of Orange, drowned In a -wash tub Saturday afternoon. She was found by the mother, who made every effort to resuscitate the child. GIRLS! MAKE A BEAUTY LOTION WITH LEMONS I 1. a hlg mistake for you to enter those du ties la the, -belief mat you were, seiecteo because the board thought you were big eneegh for the Jeb.M 1 said: "I wouldn't make such a statement to yea.

If 1 dlda't nave ine-wiunutakaMe i Tbe reason waa that for long on our bad 0000 conferring with will stogg. Dave Harreil, Fred Cook and other mem bora of the board of regents about the eetectiow of president. They came to me and atunreatad this man and that man, moat off them residing tout the State, and I always asked them If there wss net some man in the State of Texas big enough for the Job, and) every time they answered there 'waa no man the fac ulty. In. Austin or so far as iney Knew in the Btirte.

big enough for the position. I said: "Doctor, they have been seeing yoa every morning for7l- mens ana neigtioor. Major urrieiieia. lives for btoclse- away from you and didn't even knov that you were being considered. I am' glad yod came to me because I know these men put you there aa a figurehead' to do their bidding, and nothing would please me better than to you independent in your actions.

SAID OR. BATTLE HAD NOT KEPT FAITH, He didn't say anything for a while, his power of articulation seemed affected. .1 aaked him whether he had formulated any plans and he said he had no plans in view as be waa hot to take office until July. I asked him frankly whether he contemplated making any changes in the faculty and he aald he did not know. then mentioned the names of certain men.

Dr. Battle. Professors Mat hen Mayes, Lomax and probably one other. I told him Dr. Battle had not kept faith with the legislature and the governor, and that there were several Irregularities going on and that I had proof In my desk.

I said. "I'll be glad to furnish it at any time. I think you ought to look Into It now." I never saw Dr. Vinson until he came to me with the proposal to take the available fund and Issue a $4,000,000 bond issue for buildings. 1 hate to take issue with any man, especially a minister of the gospel, but his statement that I was in favor or issuing wortn oi bonds is very unfair and I am bound to believe it was intentionally untrue, because I told- him the people were already talking about the excessive appropriations.

Some Criticism has been made because It is claimed I said Dr. Vinson is a preacher and, therefore, ought not to be iresident of tbe State university, in tne etter I wrote I did not object because he had been a preacher but because ne said he had Intended to continue to preach. I will say- that I formed a very favorable impression of Dr. Vinson when he first came to my office. 1 was hoping ho would prove to be the man equal to the emergency.

Because I thought then and think now that the selection of Dr. Vinson was for no other purpose tnan for a short time until I went out of the office of governor and the same crowd would put him out and put Dr. Battle oacK. TWENTY PROFESSORS BETER THAN VINSON. It is claimed that I said in a communi cation to the board of regents that I did not think Dr.

Vinson had sufficient edu cational attainments. He might be fled and he might not be. but I have never heard one educator say that Dr. Vinson's educational attainments were sufficient to qualify him. There are at least 20 professors at the university who hold de grees and diplomas of greater educational attainments than Dr.

Vinson. For that reason I said I didn't think he was the proper man. I don't believe he could inspire tbe con fldence and respect of men who so far exceed I told the regents ne nao. made a failure of the institution where he came from. For 18 months he had been teaching a school across the street from the university and nobody mentioned him ss a possible candidate for president I know that the members of the board traveled as far as New York to get a man.

They spoke to former rresiaent Meres and to Ed House. There has been some criticism on my statements about the fraternities existing at the university. At this point General Crane oDjectea that there was nothing in any of the charges regarding the governor's complaint against the fraternities, and he sought to exclude the matter from the evidence. However, after considerable argument by counsel. Judge E.

K. Bryan, passing on we saraissaouity- oi eviaence, permitted the testimony to go in. Governor Ferguson bad copies of two pamphlets Issued In-1913 by students of the university opposed to tne fraternities at that time from which he was per mitted to read long extracts tending to show the evils of the fraternities and sororities. General Crane called attention to tne fact that some of the students who issued the namohlet were at present members of the legislature and that he waa ready to put them on tne witness a tana to testuy, but that was not done. The governor testified that when he was first Inaugurated the fraternity dispute was then pending in tne legislature and a bill bad been introduced to abolish them.

He said that at that time tne question was a new one to him and he had an open mind on tne suoject ana took no part In the discussion, oecause ne aia not know anything about It. The two pamphlets were copies of a number distributed in the legislature at the time the matter was up for discussion. He maid thev represented the views of 77 per cent of the nonfraternlty members of the university at mat time. THREE CHARGES TAKEN UP TOGETHER. Following the noon recess.

Senator Hanger called attention to the fact that charges i and 10 were really all con nected with charge 7 and should be taken together and he read them as follows: I. Section 30A of article 1 of the con stitutlon of Texas provides for a board of regents for the University of Texas who shall hold office for six years, their terms expiring one-third every two years. The purpose of the people of Texas In the adoption of this provision was to take the University of Texas and all other such state institutions from tne control of politics, and to keep the different boards from being under Mia control and domination of whoever might happen to be governor. By articles 1929 and 1640 of the Revised Civil Statutes of 1911 the board of regents are given the manage, ment of the afafirs of the University of Texas with the discretion to remove members of the faculty when in their judgment it is deemed best That It is the duty of the governor, or any private oltlxen to call attention of the board of regents to any. mismanagement or ira proper practices at the university or any other State institution, is readily conceded.

The people themselves have given the board of regents by const! tu tlonal enactment, which has been con firmed by statutory lsw. the sole right to Judge of the truth of the charges and ths punishment to be innioted against members of the faculty. Tbe board of regents in their sphere are just as supreme as the governor is In his, each having; both on-stltlutlonal and statutory duties to per form, and each being answerable to the people of Texas. The governor of Texas not only filed charges against certain members of ths faculty as he had a right to do, but after the members were exonerated by the board of regents, he has sought to have the members of the faculty expelled rrora that Institution because he desired it. He has thus sought to set aside the and law giving to the board of resents the dis cretion In matters of this kind, and assert instead of their legal judgment, his own autocratic win.

GOVERNOR HAD TO DEMAND RESIGNATIONS, Article 017 of the Revised Civil Statutes of 1111 provides for the removal of members of tl)e board of regents (among other officials) for "good and Sufficient cause." The governor has ought to remove members of the board of regents without auch cause, has demanded resignations of others without reason, simply and only because he could not dictate to them as to how they. should cast their votes tu reference to matters arising before them. Such conduct wa dear violation of thi law. and would serve to make inoperative the provision Of ths constitution providing for slx-yrar 10. The governor of Texas has in mini lie speeches and In published writing de-4 nan" mrrwpii m.

lexas mat tne Staulty of the university are grafters and corruptionisu, was, lneyero llaraend 'iTW'hUf 0 askm of the thlr-ty-fifth Janes K- Ferguson, ss governor of Texas, eabmttted to 'the senate-oT Texas the nomination of C. W. Wood man for con Arena Uon as sabor The. senate of Texas refused to con Ores the nomination. After their adjournment Governor Ferguson appoint dw enjee oeputy w.

vtooaman to All the place made vacant by the senate's refusal to confirm Woodman: but that he has failed and refused to qualify, and more than a reasonable lime nas eiaapea since his appointment, out that he has continued to act as deputy, and the aald W. Woodman has con tinued to as commissioner. And knowing these facta Governor Ferguson has failed and refused to make an appointment and C. W. Woodman1 now, although confirms Uon waa refused him by the senate of Texas many months r.gu continues to hold the office snd draw the pay.

That It was the duty of the governor, when the senate refused to confirm C. W. Woodman, to make another nomination, and in case the nominee re fused to qualify, that it was his duty to make another appointment, but that he has failed and refused to do so in defiance of the constitution of Texas aud hia oath of office. DIDN'T KNOW WHY SWOR FAILED TO QUALIFY. Ferguson As stated in the allegation.

Mr. Woodman's name was sent to the senate, who refused to confirm him. 1 then sent the name' of Frank Swor and his appointment was confirmed by the senate. I never refused to make another appointment because Mr. Swor never re fused to qualify.

He simply failed to qualify. I understand he will qualify to day or tomorrow. I understand the reason he did not qualify sooner was because there were some matters Mr. Woodman wanted to close up and it would not have been convenient for Mr. Swqr to qualify nntil they were arranged.

I did not know why he didn't qualify. Hanger Was the failure of Mr. Swor to qualify the result of any understanding between you and any one or by your dictation? Ferguson No. sir. There was nothing else for Mr.

Woodman to do. The attorney general has ruled that Mr. Woodman rightfully continued office until his successor qualified. Hanger The seventh charge is as follows: CHARGED WITH VETOING UNIVERSITY APPROPRIATION. "7.

The people of this State have adopted an organic law the consUtution of Texas, equally binding upon its highest officials and Its humblest citizens. Article No. 7 of that constitution provides for the maintenance and support of the University of Texas. That provision Is a direction given by the people themselves In their most solemn manner to tbose who represent them in office as to their duties. "The governor has vetoed or attempted to veto the entire appropriation for the University of Texas except the salary for one officer, thus in effect seeking to set aside that provision of the organic lavr requiring the support and maintenance of that institution, and to set aside the express will and judgment of the neoule ot Texas.

Though he had the legal power ot veto, it was his sworn constitutional uty to again submit that question to the legislature, which he declared to the people of Texas that he would not do, and it was only when a quorum of the house would attend to consider that question, and as a last extremity, he consented to call a session of the legislature and submitted the question of appropriations for the University of Texas." Hanger Now the first clause of that governor, do you subscribe to that provision of the constitution? Ferguson I do. Hanger Explain the whole matter, governor? Ferguson It is peculiarly unfortunate for the welfare of the State university that a constitutional question should be raised at this ttme, oecause by the same construction that has been put on the ronstituUon with reference to other matters during the past few months, the university Is not permitted to have any support from the legislature of Texas I will read into the record the veto of Senator Culberson In 1195 when governor of Texas. It will be admitted that Sen ator Culberson, in his palmy days, was cne of the greatest lawyers, if not the greatest the State has ever produced in 1IS6 the legislature appropriated for certain expenditures money which Governor Culberson vetoed May J. 1895. following what Governor Roberts had said in his message to the legislature.

QUOTED VETO BY GOVERNOR CULBERSON. The witness here read from the veto message of Governor Culberson in a statement to the effect that the "foun ders of the university contemplated that the maintenance should come out of the general revenues of the university." Ferguson The constitution plainly pro vided that the manner in which the appropriation shall be made and used and expressly provided that it shall be in vested in a certain way and that only the revenue be used. At this point the witness attempted to read an opinion which ha secured from his friend. Judge A. S.

Fisher, upon which he said his action was based, when it developed that the opinion was only procured recently and after the veto an objection by General Crane was sustained. The witness explained that his purpose was to answer the crlUcIsm that "he had struck down the constitution" because he vetoed the university appropriation. He read sections of the constitution providing that the legislature did not have the 'Tight to impose taxes, and said: "If the constitution had stopped there no lawyer would question the right to make provision for the current expenses of the university. But this provision of the constitution must be read and construed In the light of other Erovisions, especialy that relating to the fnlveralty of Texas which has special reference to appropriations, that Is Section 10 oy Article 7. If you put it on constitutional grounds and say that I have struck down the constitution, I am bound to call attention to the section which limits and directs Just what tbe university shall do with any fund that may be appropriated, and the five million dollars which Dr.

Vinson has told you has been appropriated since the university was founded has been diverted from the purpose for which it was intended. Now, I don't want to be misunderstood, gentlemen. That Is not the reason I vetoed the university appropriation. I want to be frank with you. But I will say now to the friends of the university, if you persist In this charge on constitutional grounds, you may find that the university will be without funds to carry on Its work.

But I am willing to leave that question for determination by the courts. If those are the only grounds then I have a perfect right and It Is my duty to veto the appropriation oh that ground alone. THREE REASONS FOR VETOING APPROPRIATION. I vetoed the appropriation on other grounds. I vetoed the appropriation for three reasons.

One was that it was an excessively extravagant appropriation. The other was that the university faculty or the students, with their permission, formed a mob to come to the gov ernor's office when he was conferring with the board of regents to undertake to browbeat me and make me approve the appropriation, and in that connection I want to say that they have only 40 acres of ground, out there at the univer sity on which the student body perform their functions. There, were 2000 stu-dentst, and it is Inconceivable to me how the faculty, having dismissed them, they could leave that 40 acres with banners flying and a band playing and march down one mile and get back without the president or anyone else having noticed It The other reason wss that it was an parent If I had approved the appropri ation they would enjoin my appointees-on tbe board of regents and leave the expenditure ot the largest appropriation In the history of the university In the hands of those who wanted to continue tne con diUona theretofore obtaining. I said it was an extravaamt appropriation. I said so then, and 1 say so now.

i ve made ray bed ana it remain to seen who is right have here a ot munlcatWm from the-audHor of August showina the oav roil of the State uni versity. It shows a total of MS employes. Including every character pf those draw log salaries. The salary account each oenvened-tn January 1917. The mwfii oi the fwenity ta Justice to themeetveaOO th4 Ins titutian Which, they senved anil the -eopte of-Texas money; uy? mitail mmS main tain jut thtti iasUrUUoO.

applied to the senate of Texas Tat.M& 4 (air investigation. Tkey aougnt -wary way pssslbla that the people of Teaas might know every fact and circumstance connected with management of the TTnlvwralr Tkiu Jamea 13. i ersTM- aon pioed that investigation, and pa the urging ox at La iirenoav in roe eviutiv the controversy was tided, and that the charges would not be repeated, there was adonted the Davten reaoratiea br the sen-, ate at Tana, -which ni.hr the DUrBose or seining' eontrcworsy. aiibt mm leglaia tare 'has adjourned and when the investigation was no longer possime oy the representatives of the people, the a-overnor aaraia reDeated the charges, bet coming more and, more vehement. If he knew the cnarges to.

ue true it oeeame his sworn duty to cause the Parties in votved to be prosecuted. If he did not a to be- prosecuted. it ne aia not them to hs true, (and the board of ts after air hearing found that wire not truest hois guilty of orim- know regent they wi Inal libel and slander against the fair name of Texas ami one of its most cner- lshed institutions. TELLS ABOUT REMOVING REGENTS. The governor declared 'that the state ments contained In the two pamphlets.

which he read, were tho basis for What he had said about tbe fraternities. Hanger It is charged that you re moved the regents because you oould not dictate, how they should cast their vote on the removal of members ot the faculty. Tell us about that matter? Governor Ferguson said that when he first took office the terms of three mem' bers expired and he appointed in their place Dr. 8. J.

Jones and Dr. F. K. Mc-Reynolds of Bell county and Dr. K.

Fa ber of Tyler. He said he had some dis cussion with Dr. Jones and" the latter appeared to be a partisan for Dr. wattle. In this discussion Dr.

Jones said. according to the witness, I was anxious to get this appointment and It was with my knowledge and consent. If we cannot agree on this proposition, you are welcome to my resignation and can have It at any time." I said, "Let the matter rest a while. I am disappointed that vou should want to continue the condi tions which exist I am only looking for the. best Interest or the university.

He went out of the State and was not here and did not attend a meeting of the board of regents tor a long time. It was apparent that the Issues were being closely drawn and that the faction led by llogg and Harrell were going to defy the government and assume the light to run the knlversity as they saw fit. JJntler those conditions and in view of tin fact that Dr. Jones was not in the State and that he even refused to render his property for taxation, claim ing he was rendering in Virginia, wrote him a letter, asking him to re sign. He wrote back a long letter saying that the conditiona had changed and on account of his failure to kttend the meetings and his going to Virginia and thought it for the best interest of the university that he ought to be removed.

Nobody else has ever been removed by me. About a day or two before the Galveston meeting 1 had a conference with Dr. McReynolds. He went to Galveston to intend the meeting of the bonrd of regents. I learned that he left that meeting to go to Dallas, where, I understood, some relative of his was sick.

I put in a call for him at Dallas and inquired about his sick relative and asked him when he could go back to Galveston. He said he didn't know when he could go back and he regretted very much that he could not be present at the meeting when matters of such great Importance were being taken Up. He said: "I fee, that I ought not to stand in the way of a full board being rresent and I would like to resign. I said, "Doctor, if you feel that way. I will consider your resignation," He said he had decided to resign) arid would send me a telegram to that affect- I appointed W.

G. Love, or think It was John Mathis. Regarding the testimony by Mr. Brents that some one came to him with a resignation written out at the Galveston meeting. I did not know Mr.

Stotve (su- Krintendent of State buildings) had gone Galveston. He said to me: Tm responsible for your appointing Mr. He is mis-, treating you and I am going down to se? him." i PARADE INCIDENT IS REFERRED TO. Brents testified about the conversation in my office and in the hotel. The day of the parade, while I was reading tr the members of the board of regents communication, the mob came down thr street and called to me ai governor tc read rho banners they carried.

Wlier they exhibited the banners 1 asked some of them in give me rlielr names. One dii' but the others would not. The ineetlny was broken up and the regents agreed tc go to the university and find out what they could about who was resppn3ible. Ir that conversation, according to the testimony of Mr. Brents.

I said that If thr men who were responsible were not removed I was going to veto the appropriation bill. I want to call your attention to flu veto message itself which contained a copy of the communication I that day-presented to the board of regents, but was prevented from reading on account of the mob. I had a written communication to the board prepared especially for the purpose because 1 did not want ta be misquoted. Ttiat night I saw Brents in the hotel and I asked him what they hud been able to find out He said Iney couldn't find out anything. He said: "1 very muct) outraged that Dr.

Vinson permittee" the mob to organise." I said: "What ia the board going to do?" He said: don't know." I said: "What are you going to do?" He said: "1 can't tell." I said: "If you find that Dr. Vinson If part and parcel in the formation of the mob are you In favor of retaining him?" He aald: "Yes, no matter what he liar done, I don't think we ought to remove him for that" I said: "If this mob ts permitted to assemble like that, the next time they come they will come into the window and get the governor and everybody who doer not agree with them." I told him that they ought to be removed, kicked out. root aflU branch. I said that Dr. Vinson waa either part and parcel of the mob, or If he could not find out who was responsible he was wholly Incompetent, and in eitner event he ought to be kicked out as it was the.

most outrageous proceeding ever pulled off wttv the acquiescence and approval of the fao-nltv of the university. This concluded the testimony on thosr charges and the matter of the selection of Abilene as tne site ot tne west Texai Agricultural and college wai taken up. 4.44. The Nominations Sent to Senate. AUSTIN, Texas, August Follow- lng is a copy of the governor's message transmitting his recess appointments to the senate: August 10th'.

1917. To the Texas Benatt: I ask the advice, consent and con rbrrenoe of the senate tn the following vacation appointments: Hon. 8. M. King to be associate Jus tlce of the court of civil appeals.

Ninth district, appointed May II, 11117, to succeed Judge A. E. Davis, deceased. Hon. w.

A. Patrick of Falls county to be judge of the Eighty -second Judicial district 01 'iexas. appointed juay 111 1 Hon. s. Moreneaa or Brasos county to be Judge of the Eighty-fifth Judicial district of Texas appointed June '2.

l)Tv Hon. George B. Hosey of Tarrant nun. tr to pe ths yUdg of the criminal district oc arranv vuuuiy( apuinieu June zi Hen Joel -rV Bond of JCaufmah counts to be the Judge of the -Eighty-sixth iu- dlclal district of Togas, appointed June nun, khh mr iwi vi jiwcei coun ty- to. be the Judge, of the criminal court of Nueces; KUberg.

Willacy and- Cams eron- counties, July lSltv; 1 Hoi Clifford Stone of Rusk eounty to Jt 1 rf tl. 1 from Page One.) at tommltlee, and suth action is In net defiance of the tow neder which he. committee -as acting. DETAILED SELECTION OF 4BtENE FOR A. AND M.

1 thon itBd the mvvmor to tell the whole story Tbe (townor first told about the appointment of K. Thoroason of Nacogdoches as secretary of the eomjnlt-i tee Ms testimony along.thls 11M being I substantially the samo as thai of Representative Thorn asoii. 1 jViFerguson The cominitiee left here on Jh'e evening of the Sih or 7th of June, 'going first to San Antonio and making ((rips from there to Uvalde and Kerrville. And theh visiting the other sites. The disbanded at Amanita, the "fdale-tor the conveninK of the board to Je' filed later to suit the convenience of alt.

We left a tout the lih nHth' Mr. Fuller and iovcrnr Hobby and Vasked them to come to Austin. They jot Ihere the morning of (he Between 10:10 and 11 o'clock ti.al moraine Gov't fernor Hobby came to n.y office and said: Well, where are vou going to locate the School?" t.lm A turn nun i tfwimt fxt lh vit It trwik ffOOd deal 'Over an nour. ne sau; en. uiviv ia iTerge committee her: I'd like to have a JltUe time to hear what they have to say fcbout it." He left my office and some Vime In the afternoon Mr.

Fuller came -into my office and we discussed In a irgeneral way when to hold the meeting. tola mm we wouia noiu ic mrcnns i'ghe next day, that Governor Hobby Wis here to aee me and that he wanted a vlrttle time to take it up with the com- anittee. was id about urging lib mmmltlM In meet he main reason 1 Wvae io give tiovernor npoy. wnu mu iioi made tie trin with u-. a chant-e to to my office, but 1 am sure that nobody Surged me or demanded that I call a meet- 1 lag that day.

I told uovernor noooy 1 suitable place. He was doubtful aa to Abilene being the p.ace. I explainer .1 UnKKi- nnnfitrfjar Abilene because he hAd said in his letter Ajtaatter In my hands. next morning 1 notified the mem -bera that a meeting would be held at 11 Approximately one hour before that time Speaker Fuller came to ray of-, ica. He appeared to be very excited and he said.

ernor, what are you going do about locating the school INTERVIEW WITH FULLER DETAILED. said. My friends are worrying me about -it." I said. "Fuller, you re not thinking of 'locating the school In more than one "-gitoce, are you?" He' said. "I don't know what I'm going da." said, "Get out of your head that -roo are going to locate It in more than A one place, you tiui iuvn; it jjf- Haid.

"Yes, but my friends don't un- lersuna. I aald. "Y'ou musn't permit yourself to bothered by jour friends. Now. (or il- y.jasxrauon, mere your irienu oimwr and your friend Bruce Bryant: ther are VacrsonaJ friends oT yours and thare is Such good reason for urging on you tbe cities but you will be mak- elaims of their cities but itog the greatest mistake of your l'etf CVW nmLe tne st ntjui iw uiv wkow.

i I said, "You ought to vote for Abilene because that is the best site." Ha said. "I'll tell u. I don't owe Bled-'soe anything because he did not 'help me tl speakership race, bat I do owe Bryant, something. He did every know Haskell is a gpod site." H'said. Bruce Bryant tells me he's wag iwo vorea pteugea i or nuacu, anu JlwUl vote for Haskell It wtlfgst tbe site.

I dent' feel like I can lav down on him." I xiA "All rirtit If rau feel that wav ivota for BaskeU." 1 He said. "All riant ru teU yoa." and. II want to say the language which has! I He didn't Dromiae. but he aald: Tm ro- I btSL to te for Haskell first and if Bruce tltrrtuit's other two votes show op, I have i nufuled my promise and tr the two votes Jdo not aiaterialise ru vote for you to put tM school at ADUetie. i 'Previous to that time Speaker Fuller iaaid we want to get in that room and tlMb tk Ann fwl hvM lhA i among ourselves.

I Matvkus inn ui iiuiiu, m. Hill niicu I BC 'jn ting was opened. "Mow do you want to hold the meeting, shall it be executive? Finally after some discussion Fuller made the motion to maka it an executive meeting. After we got in the session pmvu uwn iu hdqui ins preierence. iruiier stated ne was lor Haskell, do not remember that he said he was for IHajllutll tlwmt nrl mfrrnA Air Davis made the motion for a written alkkt I then rMIhH AmimH In mv neac and took from the top of the desk JUiis scissors and several cards which I 1 cut into five ballots.

i-At this point Governor Ferguson srose and indicated at the small mhu Br.vi- 7 eusly used and the relative positions of the members of the board. They ere i t. i I gave the ballots to Thotnason and he them out one at a time to each AAW ABILENE FULLER'S BALLOT, When the ballots were written I could Bot help but see Governor Hebby's ballot with San Angela on it. Davis had something over his card and I could not see Fuller sat down and wrote In plain view so that I could not help but see it V-a-akeH." After the ballots were col-heeted Tbomason took them out of the hat and called out the one for jHaskell, one for Snyder, one for Baa Angelo and two for Abilene. I declared ihere- was no election and told Thomason jU destroy those- ballots.

He then again passed the ballots around. I again saw write Amarillo. I couldn't see -Dvl' ballot As soon as Fuller got his kaliot took it on his knee. All the time I saw It. I don't say I could dls- corn what he was writing, but when he.

handed in the ballot 1 saw It, and oa the ballot waa written "Abilene." Hanger Did yon see Dr. Cooper that Ferguson About two hours later Dr Cooper came into my office to thank me jot muni tne scnoot at Abilene. While talking with him -Speaker Fuller came In. I started to Introduce them and both stated they were acquainted. Dr.

Cooper then- began to thank Mr. Fuller and Mr Fuller said he thanked him for the ex-tireaaioa of kindness. Both of them had a 1 1 trie mutual admiration society. Fuller ai4 to me he had come to say good by ne was going away. 1 I told him 1 wanted to see him In Houston ia about two weeks.

As he started lews I said to Dr. Cooper that he is one the men who helped to locate the eehooj at Abilene. He had his face part-- ly turned and he went out and made no tepljr. Fuller stated that I said to him before the meeting that if he would help locate the school at Abilene, I would elect IilI to oorurress and that I would let him name majority of the committee to be ap-Soiated the East Texas Junior Agricultural; and Mechanical board. I made no such statement to Mr.

Fuller In whole ir In 'part. On the contrary, be wanted ts appoint his friends on the committees I told him, I'm not going to make any trade with you. Aa for his statement that I would elect him to eoagraas that is not true, couldn't elect him to con- iiuaaMWViwBisiw TO 6D TO CONORES. From the'Verr, time we started trip hewMmed to 'be absorbed en the with an insane deatre togs to tongreas. I was friendly 1 fclm-ajkd I thotight hs was my friend.

I may have isM 1 waa trieadlr to ie candidacy. He had never auatreated iue la any war ad I rather sncouraged the idea of hi rtujnrnsr fcr eongTssa. I pressed the for his sncceas and save iota nun a wsin oeip aim. iliat tilghx. after the) wota, John lamat ford of th Justin AnMrioanj called sne a i r.v.ence auout 11 OMoK tM a.

they re nusineT ail kinds of oaia down here at the Driskill about the location of the West Texas A. end M. I aald, "Woo He said. 'The members of the committee, Puller, Hobby and Davis have Issued statements that they didn't vote for Abt- I said I didn't understand that Hobby or Davis voted for Abilene. I said, "Who did Fuller aay he voted for?" He wouldn't say.

but he did aay ha didn't rote for Abilene." He said and asked me' for a statement He said they were going round aud round. I said. "N'n 1 will not give out a statement tonight." The next morning I read in the papers their statements. Early in the morning Thotnason called me up and said, "when can you be at the capitol" I said. "Right away." As soon aa 1 reed the paper.

In fact I wanted to go to the office and see those ballots. When we got there we went into my private office and ransacked all the papers but couldn't find the ballots. 1 called in the colored porter and asked him what he had done with the sweepings of the day before. He said he had destroyed them. Soon the porter came back and said there was a big waste basket In the toilet.

We went in there and turned that big basket upside down, threw the contents on the floor and then got on the' floor monkey-fashion and dissected every paper there. We found only one of two pieces. One of them With something Ilk- "Ne" on it. I learned that Hobby and Fuller had lefC tnat night, and mere was considerable discussion in the papers. Nobody at any time ever asked me to reconvene tht board.

I had some discussion the next mornina with lavis and Doughty. Davis told ma he did not vote for Abilene. July 4 was -ui ig my iitm-n iu 1VIUH7. a lirl IU I Saw Hobby in Houston at my hotel and told him I did not think he ought to give out so raanv statement. I said.

"You know the election was fair and square. The ballots were counted in your presence." He said there was an awful 1st of talk and he felt that be ought to protect himself. I said. "If vou felt that wav about it you ought to come to nre about u. ana let me know the reasons for hav- uig the board convepe." He said, all he waa seeking to do was to let his position be thoroughly understood by' the public.

He said he had a date to meet Fuller at the Brazos that morning, but that he waited around and did not see him. That evening 1 noticed In the paper that Fuller uau ivne to Austin ior tue purpose ot reconvening the board. FULLER SAID HE WAS IN AWKWARD FIX. I saw Hobby afterwards, and I said. "Until somebody raises the question that there were not three votes for Abilene, it is not up to you1 or me to settle a row between two or three members of the board.

The next morning when I went tc Austn Fuller came to my office. He said: They ll still discussing the location of A. and He said: "Governor. I am in a terrible fix about that proposition and came here to talk about it. My friends are n.aking life miserable for me.

i eanie to you to give the some good ad- vice. aid: "Fuller, you want me to five you aome gooo aavice. uo as 1 do. la bg Lh' follow the plain trail, then the dim trail until I get into the Hiicket and then I am lost. 1 turn face about and follow the dim trail until I get to the plain trail, then I follow the plain trail tiH I gel to tne mm roaa.

men 1 ioilow tne dim road till I get back to the big road. I mean you voted for Abilene and you ought to uv iiutn enougti to say so. He said: "Governor. I know of course I voted for Abilene like I told you I would, but It would absolutely ruin mc to say so now." I said: "You have only told the newspaper men." He said: "No. un'ortun-atelv I've told others." I said.

"Well. I don't see how vou are olnsj to get out of It. Everybody knows now. i uu Yuieu ana you might as well admit it." He said. "No, I can't do that: this matter ought to be settled In some wav.

I said, "I quite agree with you that the matter ought to be settled. The committee ought to go down in black and white mat Aonene waa leiriy and squarely chosen." He said. "Do you reckon Davis would xu sui-d a statement I said. "Of course." said. "Do you reckon Doughty would sign it?" I said.

"Why. of course." He said. "Do you reckon Hobby would sign it?" I said, "Hobby would give a dollar to sign it. I tslked to him yesterday." He said, "Well. gt up the statement as quickly as SIGNED STATEMENT VERIFYING ABILENE'S SELECTION.

I got up tbe statement and sent for Davis and Doughty. When they came there was some discussion as to whether Kobby would sign It. I said Hobby would sign it because he said to me the day before he thought the matter ought to be settled. With the exception that Davis wanted to make the change: that it was beyond all human probability that there was an error, the statement was signed as prepared. I was to get Hobby's consent to sign his name.

When they came I reported that I was unable to get in touch with Hobby. We agreed that nothing was to be given out until I could get Hobby's consent to sign the statement. The next morning I read the statement over the phone to Hobby He first questioned whether the' other members would sign It. I told him they had already signed it He said: "Did Fuller sign It?" I said: "Yes." He said: "You may sign my name to the statement" Te confirm what I had done I that day wrote him a letter and attached the original statement with the signatures. Shortly after I went to my ranch in Bosque county.

Two or three days before the call I received information from senator Hanger that Fuller had asked him to come to Houston and that he had gone there. Fuller asked him to ask me to reconvene the board for the purpose of settling the location of the West Texas Agricultural and Mechanical college. I tola Senator Hanger to tell Fuller I would be lad to meet him hi Austin Wednesday morning. I beard nothing more until I heard of the reconvening of the legislature. At no time and no place did any member ever uk me to reconvene tne board.

On the locating trip I had spoken to Fuller about the rumor that he was be ing asked to reconvene the house. He saia men: "i a on liunk I'vs got any such power. They have been urging me to do it. But I Dromlaa von am tllnr before I ever call or attempt to call the touse togeiner, I will let you know all about It. After we got to Lubbock Sunday morning there was a telegram statinz In uh- stance the action of the former atiMimts usiHjcintion in iauas tne day before, and Uthat the position taken by CbestJ.

Terrell was lorcioiy aisagreea with. I handed the telegram to Mr. Fuller and he expressed much satisfaction, saying, "that's what I thought all the tlm told Chester they'll have to get on some other route then on the university matter. While Chester Terrell and my friends ore urging me to do this you can assured that I am going to deal openly and frankly with you." Instead of coming to Austin he called for the reconvening of the house without any manner ever consulting me. 6000 ITEM IS AGAIN EXPLAINED.

Lpon resuming the stand Saturday morning Governor Ferguson stated that seme question had been raised as to how the S600 item was charged to his account without some time a credit being made to balance the account He stated that the American National bank of Austin and the Temple State bank were not checking against each other as the governor account He said they were separate, accounts, and when the final settle- meat wss made it was simply a matter of calculation aa to the amount of the ch-k. drawn and then drawing a check; for tbe laager, counsel for, the gov against the amount appropriated during his aantuuatration. They -want to load my administration with 7 1-1 times aa much as any previous year, and I "aay It is an extravagant, unreasonable and abnormal increase in the appropriation (or the support of the University of Texas. The witness then read statistics which showed It counties sent one-half of the total students to the state university, five counties sent one-third, three counties sent onefourth and one county sent cne-fifth: He said 100 counUos send two or less. 63 counties send none, 11 counties send only one each and 27 counties send only two each.

He stated Bandera county pays J6S1 for one student, Bra-xoria county nava S572 each for eight students. Cochran county pays W17 and sends no students, Karnes county pay tor one student and Jerrerson county pays H20 for 20 students. This shows conclusively, said the gov ernor, that the benefits and advantages are distributed comparatively among a tew people of the State of Texas. He also read statistics which he said showed tne state pays fjwa per student per year, and that under the appropriation nro- posed, it would cost tbe State 1112 per year. I mention these facts to demonstrate the fact that this appropriation Is ex travagant and Is giving recognition to only a favored few.

I would like to set tle a question that la coming up sooner or later, tnat Is what will be ray position If this legislature should again ap propriate practically the same amount ior the support of the State university. I vetoed the other appropriation which was sent to nre only a short time before the legislature, adjourned and they had no opwrtunitv to nass it over my veto. But since this question arose, if after all thia discussion, the senate halving passed practically, the same appropriation, this bouse by a two-thirds major ity, should pass the aporooriaton. I would feel it had the same effect as the legislature had expressed themselves as favoring the appropriation, over my veto. 1 would let it become a law without my signature, reserving to myself the right of holding to my views.

1 want it understood thst I am not In any way agreeing to or reclining from tne position neretoiore assumea. ana declare now I am opposed to any insti tution representing as few a number of people as the State university receiving S3U0 per capita from the people ot the state. HAS RIGHT TO INQUIRE INTO UNIVERSITY. Much has been said about the fact of my having taken up negotiations with the university. Much criticism has been heaped upon me because I sought to in quire into the management of the State university, and frequently the statement has been made that I had no right under the law to Interfere or inquire into Its management: that I was transcending my powers aa governor and should have left the matter entirely with the ooant or regents.

1 would like to call attention to the constitution of the State giving me full power to Inquire into all in stitutions of. the State. (Quoting Section 24. Article 1). Notwithstanding the plain provisions of the statute I call your attention to tne letter reaa into tne record from Dr.

Faber In which he denies the right of the governor to Inquire Into, or in any way Interfere with the management of the university, and that state ment reflects the sentiment under which I came into office. That sentiment gained prevalence, and to show to what extent will read an editorial from the Daily Texan or 1915. the student paper. The governor read an article to the ef fect that Governor Ferguson was stepping beyond his power and said. "If any man believes that the State university is not getting Digger tnan the people let him listen to this:" 'Too long the university has been compelled to patronise the aovernor and tne legislature In order to be permitted to t.o their work of uplifting "There has been some criticism of my action in saying that the university has been disloyal to the governor.

I again repeat the action of the student body, not all, but a large majority, and various members of the faculty and others, formerly students, have been disloyal and disrespectful to the government which has made its existence possible. Tne witness attempted to read a state ment from the Houston Chronicle of Oc toher 21, 1916. General Crane objected. saying: we are perfectly willing to let In the imtly Texan, dui surety you won hold the university for what the Houston Chronicle says. And the statement was excluded.

When the witness volunteered that the statement was by the republican candi date for governor. General Crane said That la still worse. VOTED FOR NEGRO FOR GOVERNOR. The witness then read statement which appeared in the Daily Texan of No vember 8. 1916, in which It was stated that a certain number of votes had been cast in the general election of the previ ous day for a negro, the name of Ferguson being scratched on the ballot The witness said he had called the mat ter to the attention of Dave Harrell snd Fred Cook at the time of the publication hut that nothlnr had ever been done about it.

In the Dally Texan of June J. 1017. was statement that probable impeachment proceedings would be started In a short while. There has been criticism, said the wit ness, to the effect tnat i nave unjustly charged the raculty ot the university witn reprehensible conduct and corruption. A great part of the facts will be found in ths statement of Dr.

Vinson himself that it has long been the custom to buy mile age tickets for $25 and charge the State 130. it has been admitted mat i-r. uat-tl aaked the auditor of the university to Change an expense account to read Pro- reasor James ana esaisiam irora rrotes-aor James and wife. But especially the statement of Dr. Vinson aboOt the work of the extension department He said the purpose of department was to give the people the benefit of information and modern thoughts and Ideas and carry to the people vtl.o are not able to enjoy them the facilities oi tne Btate university.

Dr. Ellis, who was last year at the head of the department of extension, with a an tr-v of 12250 a year and traveled about at the expense of the State was referred to. The witness read a stateement signed by the business manager of the San Antonio nublic schools to the effect, that certain payments aggregating tlVJt were made to Dr. Ellis for services In prepar ing plans for the ventilating system of the new can Antonio scnooi ouuaing The work was dono in 1914 and HXi, and the statement waa dated June Is. 1917 Criticism has been made because I tared in mv oninion Dr.

Vinson waa not a suitable man for. the head of the State univeraity. Dr. Vinson was elected sometime last year. TELLS OF MEETING OR.

VINSON. Previous to his election I had not heard of him being considered for the position. After he waa elected Dr. Vinson, with Major Llttlofteld. came to my office and for the first time I was Introduced to Dr.

Vinson. Hs said: "Governor, I have been elected president of the State university Ton have not known and I am down here for the purpose Of meeting you officially and and to say that I want the very friendliest relations to exist between us and I' want your help and co-operation for the success of the university. I want yoa to brush aside all formality and talk to me candidly and freely about the univsrsity, aa I know nothina- about it." 1 said: "Doctor. I am very glad you came down and I appreciate your desire for mutual co-operation. If you moan for me to speak candidly, I will be, glad to talk freely to He said: "Above things candor hJ saMi If Ton' 'oaf that' way It want make a statement aDout tne wdrtt ta which, yon are soon teworage." -r saidi think Jt would, be '40k, Jsk asSSSaffifK .4 A i me cost 0 a small Jar of ordinal cold cream one can prepare a full quarter pint of the most wonderful lemon skin -sofuiner and complexion beautifler.

by squeeslng the Juice of two fresln lemon into a bottle containing three ounces of orchard white. Care should bo taken to -train the Juice through a fine cloth' so no. lemon pulp gets in. then this lotion will keep fresh (en months. Kvtry woman knows that lomon Juice la Used to bleach- and remove such hlemisViea eallowncsa freckles, ideal kii smoothener and beautifler.

Just try Si, iqet Oire -ounces of or chard af any pharmacy and two -S lemons from. 'the arocarand 4i- A huartt'ttfinV frigranT I lemon lotion audi, massage Jt dajly into" in laoe, -fw'' i ana it 7uU untlly should liolp ia 3r bleach and bring out the.roa und beamy jv of any skin, It ts wonderful to rvtt. 4 tnrtMemei 1.