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PITTSBURGH POST-GAZEriE: FRIDAY, JANUARY 1, 1537- EAST-WEST GRID CLASSIC MM TO 18 SEE EASTERNERS HELD These Four May Play Prominent Parts in Rose Bowl Struggle Today 1 vS Spotught bti Grantlcind Pice 10 TO 8 FAVORITE IN CHARITY TIL Wealier Af ay Decide LOS ANGELES, Dec. 31. The battle of the East and West, Pittsburgh and Washington, mar be decided as much by weather as anything else. Heavy rains have already turned ithe Rose Bowl field at Pasadena into a heavy-going patch of where speed will be cut down and where power may be 'a potent factor. In summing up the two teams for this game, after watching both in action and in practice, here are the vital factors Pitts 44 JtianapicKea seniors to compete in Annual Battle.

and in reserve material. "Wash SAX FRANCISCO. Dee. 31. (A.

picked collegiate football stars 11 of them Avon burgh has the edge in power ington hns the edge in kicking end to end are just about a standoff. Washington has the bigger but Pitt has more men to call on. Pitt has no kicker to match cither Logg or Johnson of Washington and Pitt has no passers to match Wash-- ington's elected snipers. In elusive backs, Pitt has no ball carriers to match Cain and Haines of the Huskies and, in the way of sheer power, Washington has no backs to match Goldberg, Steb-bins, LaRue, Patrick and other Panthers. I have just spent most of the day with Jimmy Phelan of Washington and Jock Sutherland of Pitt.

In the way of a world's record on the part of coaches, both agree they figure the game a standoff. Their idea i3 that the breaks will decide the final score just as the breaks have decided the final score in more than 60 per cent of the big games this season. "It is up to us to win," Jock Sutherland told me. "Our last two showings out here have been terrible. I'll admit this.

But I think I have a team that 'the best teams I have ever coached but many of them are "sbrjhomores. No one can tell what a sophomore will do. I am -banking on Goldberg, Daddio, mores. It is the youngest team I have ever had for a big game. They can be great or just fair.

I don't know what they will be." Out to Win, Says Phelan Then I turned to Jimmy Phelan of Washington. "Outside of Cruver, my best defensive back with three broken ribs, I am ready," he said. "We are out to win this game. Pitt has never won in the Rose Bowl, but neither have we. I haven't the reserve power Pittsburgh has, but I think I have a better first team.

If I can keep my regulars going I think we ought to win. -If I can't, it may be a different story. I know Pittsburgh is ieyed up, but so are we. That means a rough, hard game played to the limit. That suits us.

"I know we have the better kickers and I think we "have the better passers. We will have on a dry field, but we have been trainirig here in rain and wind. If we have a slow field and more rain Friday, anything can happen. I'll be honest and admit that, under such conditions, I don't see how either team can score. I know this, Pitt isn't going to run over us with any sheer power and I don't care how good Goldberg and the others are.

We have a big line, a line that I trust. On a hot day we might be at a disadvantage, 'through lack of reserves. On a dry, fast field, I think we'd have the edge in speed, kicking and passing. But the field won't be fast and no one can say how the weather will be after the rain storms we've had for four days." When I finally got Sutherland and Phelan together, both admitted the game was a toss-up. In the meanwhile, over S7.00Q have already bought tickets, to make this the greatest admission game in Rose Bowl history.

In a few hours, the vanguard of this crowd, the second largest of the year, new or old, will be on its way to Pasadena to see a game that is generally regarded as the most even of all the Rose Bowl battles. Copyright. l3t, by the North American Newspaper Alliance, Inc. as-avj- Associated Kress fhotos. Top, left, shows Byron Haines, left halfback for the University of "Washington, shown limbering up his soutbr.iw arm for a passing attack.

Haines is a triple-threat star and the I'anthers will have to watch him closely. Top, right, Is Ed Xowgrowski, husky fullback for the coast eleven, who will give the strong Pitt front wall a fine test. Lower left, is Bill Daddio, brilliant Panther end and star pass receiver, who along with Marshall Goldberg, lower right, can be seen in the act of passing the ball, may stage and aerial show for the benefit of some 87,000 fans who will witness the game. If the Panthers resort to the air lines as an offensive means, watch the combination of Goldberg and Daddio. brawn here tomorrow in rm.

the annual Oplayed for charity. Two squads of 22 players represent the eastern and halves of the country. Every er is a star in his own nrh Tomorrow in Kezar Stadiua fore 40,000 or more Fpectl these stars will forget recen ter intercollegiate rivalries to shoulder to shoulder for th efit of crippled children. Proceeds of the game ro uivee ui luc mariners cr- cnnaren hospital. Represent 32 Schooii, The 44 players reDresent and 32 collece3 and The East, coached by Andv Colgate and Dick Hanlev 'fn.

of Northwestern, lists nine ryj or au-Araerica "renown. They include Halfback? cu East vs. West 1925 Went 7, Kait 1927 rt 7, Et 3 1S27 Wemt Is, Eapt 1928 East 20, Wett n. 1S30 East 1. 7 1B30 West 3.

Eat a i9.n r.at nrt a 1533 Wt 21, East 13. 1534 West 12, East 0. 13 West 19, East 13. 1930 cast 19, West 2. Parker of Duke and Fran Jlw of Pennsylvania; Fullback Handrahan, of Dartmouth; Larry Kelley of Yale and fe.

Wendt, of Ohio State; Tacklsl Widseth of Minnesota, and Ca: Hamrick of Ohio State, and Gj-. Nat Pierce of Fordham and Reid of Northwestern. K'. Parker and Widseth were ftrs: choices. On the Western squad, mj-; by Orin Hollingbery of Wash'sr State College and Percy merly of Denver, are All-Amrr: Sam Francis of Nebraska and a ana Stat-.

rs resp Goddard of Washington and third team members tively. West Holds Edge. In size and weight the tts compare favorably. The East last year, 19 to 3, but the holds the series edge with victories against four. The 7 will line up tomorrow as the favorite.

Two linemen, Yale's Kellevll Minnesota's Widseth, were r- Eastern co-captains, Kelley fense and Widseth on defen? leaders for the West will F-J cis of Nebraska and Jerry lein, St. Mary tackle. PROBABLE LINETP. EAST. Merle Wendt.

Ohio State, left Charles Hamrick. Ohio State. Stephen Reid. Northwestern. Ifft fx Carl Ray.

Dartmouth, tent.r. Nat Pierce. Fordham. right rjir Ed Widseth. Minnesota, rieh' tac-t Larry K'lley.

Yale, right eri Ken Sandbarh. Princeton, quartern Clarence Parker. Duke, left ln'fk'l John Drake. Purdue, right hal'fi'i Bill Kurlifh. Pennsylvania.

fu: kc WEST. Lester McDonald. Nehrasks. Jerry Dennerlein. Et.

Mary's left -i-v Marty Kordick. Ft. Mary's, ieft rjirt Bill Conkright. Oklahoma, center. Paschal Pcottino.

F. M. sh! (jr Claude Callaway, Stanford. r4' Leo Deutsch. St.

Benedict's, tl' t'-i Roeer Douehertv, w. S. C. qinntrsa Ed Goddard. W.

S. C. left ns Lloyd Cardwell. Nebraska, rev Sam Francis. Nebraska.

ful'rs''li Officials Referee. Bob Evan. umpire. Lloyd Toder fCarnegie Terr" judie. Rufe Klawans Licfd' Bill Kelley (Wisconsin).

Louis-Pastor Bout Obstacles Remove NEW YORK. Dec. 31 jp ttx. ties standing in the way J-e proposed bout with Bob Pastor were out today, and the heavyweiEh'e in a 10-round bout Is Msi ft2' Garden January 29. The last stumbling block 4i rr when Mike Jacobs, who hoHs so on Louis' services, was given si on Pastor's service in the ever' York youngster should upset Lu knocked out huge Ray I rrpe seven rounds In his last start.

The Pastor-Louis bout will he Jointly by the Garden and Js'-irV tieth Century Club. Louis will per cent ot the receipts. cent. The remainder will be spi by the promoters. TO THE RUPTURED A REAL HAPPY HEW YEAR Resolre; this year to 'J-t New Year free from th ri;" and miseries caused bv rurtu'tt Why be content to suffer i'-'-ir 1937 when a properiv truss, fitted by Hite expert, will you rr-n relief? We fit corrrctlr guarantee our appliance comfortable and to hold the ture at all times.

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So Pitt wasn't the right selection for the Rose Bowl game! A roximately 185,000 application were received for the 85,000 seats in the a a ena BowL Jack a s. Jack Bunny Buntach. Dempsey's former manager, will promote fight and wrestling shows in the Detroit Olympia arena. Bill Tracey, the Braddock automobile baron, was one of those who cashed in handsomely on Billy Conn's surprise win over Fritzie Zivic the other night. Here's the best one yet.

They say that New York is so basketball nutty that teams are playing three 10 minute periods on stages of burlesque hows, with the action squeezed in between appearances of chorus gals and strip teasers. Ah, that's an idea there, Mr. Freund. Big League players who open the New Year with birthdays are Hank Greenberg, Tigers, who is 26, Jake Wade, Tigers, who is 25. and Ethan Allen, Browns, who is 32.

Frank Janosik, Moneen lad who starred not long ago in basket ball at Waynesburg, is teaching in the public school of his home town Chick Davies returned from New York yesterday, where he watched Long Island in action. little daughter, Betty Anne, is suffering from a heavy cold. Galan, who didn't hit into one double play in 1935. smacked into nine twin killings last season To S. EM Brownsville, Juniors on Pitt football team are: Tony MatUi, Paul Shaw, Dante Dalle Tezr, George Delich.

Henry Adams Frank Souchak, Don Hensley, Frank Patrick, John Micholesen, Bill Stapulis, Luther Richards John Urban, Joe Morrow, George Musulin, Al Walton, Ted Schmidt, Bob Daufenbach and Frank Ho-vanek. Dolly Stark, the former umpire, has given up his radio post in Philly, for a national hook-up job with a New York station. The Dapper Dolly club enters the names of Miss Erleen Nevitt and Miss Jean Jones while the Dapper Dans' first 1937 members are Floyd T. Gregory and Jerry Hotchkiss. After reading where Senator James J.

Davis of Pennsylvania, had announced that he would eat his hat if Pitt didn't beat Washington in the Rose Bowl today, Senator Homer Bone of Washington took up his offer and sent him not only a 10-gailon sombrero, but a 50-gallon Panama! There's still another DiMaggio coming up. He is Dominic, a younger brother of Joe and Vince. His home run hitting with a California sandlot team, despite the handicap of wearing glasses, has the scouts scurrying in his direction. Jake "Hot" Mintz is hinting that i he will have an extra-ordinary, extra super-special fight presentation to offer the fans next summer. Doc Crandall.

former Pirate coach, is back in the Pacific Coast loop as a coach for hurlers on the Seattle Club. La Marba. whose average of .854 the 1936 season may rise or fall today, sees the following predictions for New Year's Day contests as follows: PITT 20, WASHINGTON 7. DUQUESNE 13, MISSISSIPPI STATE 6. Al BI RN 7, VILLA-NOVA 0.

MARQUETTE 20. TEXAS CHRISTIAN 13. WEST ALL-STAKS 13, EAST ALL-STARS 7. STATE 26, SANTA CLARA 7. Seeking Floor Games The Baker team of Kingsley House would like to book games on a home-and-home basis In the lS-lS-year-old class.

For games call Hiland 3737, 6 to 6:30 p. and ask for Dom. HOCKEY TONIGHT ON THE AIR PITTSBURGH HORNETS TS. SPRINGFIELD INDIANS Hear JOE TUCKER TUME IX TONIGHT AT 9i00 TO wwsw and passing. The two lines from is ready to go.

I have one of Stebbins, and four other sopho To Correspondents Write in your criticisms and suggestions about the sports scene, local and national. The letters must he brief. Letters should carry the name and address of the sender, not necessarily for publication, but to show good faith and responsibility. Here is a chance to get that load off your chest. Maybe some of the other readers of the Post-Gazette will enjoy agreeing or disagreeing with you.

Address your letters to the Sports Editor. makes a national champion out of Pittsburo-h. He even goes so far as to suggest that Pittsburgh have a New Year's Day game all their own and have Pitt invite someone to come and play ball. What does the ISLP (I Still Like Pittsports) think? That Pitt is the only team in the city of Pittsburgh? What about Duquesne and Carnegie Tech? Seems to me, I heard somewhere about the boys from the Bluff hanging one on Pitt's chin. But maybe ISLP (still, "I Still Like was out of town that day.

The idea of a New Year's Day game in Pittsburgh is all right. Yet, the Pitt representative should be chosen from the teams in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and possibly farther east. But, I don't think it would be a good idea to let ISLP be a member of the board of directors he'd have Pitt there every year. JOHN W. HACHA.

Sports Commentator, WOWO-WGL. Fort Wayne, Ind. Comment: There probably will be agitation to close the football season on March 17 (St. Patrick's Day) if the Bowl idea continues to spread. Kind Words From Salem.

Sports Editor, Post-Gazette: I have been an intensely interested reader of the Post-Gazette (including the past names of the paper) for 18 years. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't feel at home without Pittsburgh news every day. But never have I appreciated a "Reader's View" column like the one you have presented here. If you'll pardon the incoherence of my letter, I'll proceed with my humble efforts that of an outside observer. The Pittsburgh district has contributed some of the greatest sports' thrills of the world.

It's colleges rate with the best in producing remarkable athletic achievements. It's a puzzle to me why so many people in Ohio h(e and in Pennsylvania feel that some of the Smoky City's colleges are less publicized in this newspaper than others. I feel that it is quite unfair to sports scribes to accuse them of such a thing which is so obviously not true. The criticism is made by so STATE TO NAME BEZDEK SUCCESSOR Reported Harlow to Be Chosen January 15. STATE COLLEGE, Dec.

31. VP) Officials of the Pennsylvania State College said today a successor to Hugo Bezdek, former director of athletics, may be chosen at the January 15 meeting of the board. A spokesman for President Ralph E. iletzel said he could not confirm or deny reports that Dick Harlow, football coach of Howard, was being considered for the position. He said the president was in New York, attending the National Collegiate Athletic Association meeting and that Harlow's presence there probably gave rise to the reports.

Harlow was hne coach under Bezdek during Penn State's bright est football years. Bezdek was dropped several months ago but retained a place on the faculty. many Duke and Tech followers that Pitt gets far more laudatory remarks for its noteworthy performances than the former two. To cite the following: Tech is yet being praised for its sensational victory over Notre Dame in 1926; and Duquesne's astounding triumph over Pitt last October will be related, time and time again in the sport pages, making it an impossibility for the upset ever to be forgotten. The Tech bombshell exploded under Notre Dame 10 years ago, but it is still fresh in our minds because it is brought to our attention in headlines whenever great events are recalled.

I am quite sure Pitt rooters want nothing more than success for Tech and Duquesne in the latter's quest for recognition. Of course, the rooters want Pitt to win when playing their city foes, but no Pitt rooter or anyone else can be made any happier than to hear that Tech or Duquesne has beaten some outside formidable opponent. I can think of many things that could have been said about the Du-quesne-West Virginia Wesleyan game the week after the Pitt-Duke game, but the sports writers passed it up by tenderly calling it a "letdown" on the part of Duquesne a nice gesture. Had they wanted to de-publicise the losers, here was their chance. However, I do cherish and like staid old Tech and up-and-coming Duquesne.

They are forging to the front rapidly. But Pitt is the leader of sports i the city of Pittsburgh, which is no stranger than the predominance of Canada in hockey; or Indiana in basket ball; or Minnesota in fullbacks; or the English in tennis it's the momentum of an early start. It has just happened that way, and until Tech and Duquesne show greater predomination, the tide of eminence will continue to flow toward the Pitt Panther. I've seen the Olympic games in '32 and '36, but I still look to Pittsburgh to satisfy my athletic hunger between Olympiads. Anyhow, we're all for Pie Tray-nor, Waners, and the rest of the Pirates.

Yours for a more co-operative spirit from everybody and long live the sports writers, for they do lead a strenuous life. FREDERICK E. COPE. Salem, O. Comment: Perhaps, even our local boys who argue among themselves would be affronted if an outsider rapped the local teams they take the privilege of rapping.

It's a family quarrel. Thanks to Traveller Cope for the kind words about our Pittsburgh athletics. Quints in Action The Saturday Night Basket Ball Lea rue of tn Downtown Y. M. C.

A. will play the second round tomorrow. The first same between the McCailpa and Alleporta will called at 8:25 o'clock, and the second between the Pittsburgh Academy and Buckeyes at 9:19. PANTHERS, HUSKIES READY FOR BATHE (Continued from Preceding Page) row, both elevens may play in deep mud, so it may not matter. Washington wanted the Panthers to wear white jerseys with dark numerals.

Pitt asked the Huskies to adopt that color scheme. The Husky board of strategy announced this morning its players would wear the dark shirts. "We don't know what Pitt will wear," said the spokesman. Advised of the matter, Coach Jock Sutherland of Pitt announced: "We'll wear blue. It's all we've got.

We left our white jerseys at home." May Change Lineups. Sutherland said he would not name his starting team until tomorrow, but it appeared likely that Pitt's backfield would shape up at the whistle with John Chickerneo at quarterback, Marshall Goldberg at right halfback, Bobby LaRue at left half and Bill Stapulis at full. Coach Jimmy Phelan may change his starting Husky lineup, but the chances are that Elmer Logg will go in at quarter, Jimmy Cain at left half. Byron Haines at right and Ed Nowogroski at fullback. The Washington backfield staff, which ran up 148 points against nine opponents this year, will out-weight the Pitt backs from three to five pounds per man, an average that also applies to the opposing forward walls if the squad weight charts are correct.

Pitt scored 203 points, which gives an inkling of the power of the two lines. Stuhldreher to Speak Here Next Monday Harry Stuhldreher. coach of the University of Wisconsin football team, win arrive Pittsburgh Monday morning to address a noon luncheon meetmp of the University of Wisconsin Club of Pittsburgh at William Penn Hotel. Stuhldreher comes to Pittsburgh directly from the Football Coaches' Association meeting in New York and he is expected to tell the alumni of the developments of the conference on professionalism In collegiate football. His appearance at the luncheon is in conjunction with the diamond Jubilee of Wisconsin which is being celebrated this year.

Stuhldreher. one of Notre Dame's famous Horsemen." will bring his Badger team here to play the University of Pittsburgh next fall. OFF-SIDE! "Don't joa DARE JUNIOR NET MEET IN SEMI-FINALS Western and Three New Yorkers Survive. NEW YORK, Dec. 31.

UP) Don McNeill of Oklahoma City moved into the semi-final round of the national junior indoor tennis championship today along with three New York youngsters. McNeill had to rally briskly to earn a straight-set victory over Alter Milberg of Brooklyn, 10-8, 6-1. Moving into the round of four with the middle westerner were Marvin Kantrowitz, who upset Charles T. Mattman of Forest Hills, N. 6-2, 61; Joseph Fish bach, who eliminated Morey Lewis of Texarkana, 6-3, 7-5, and Melvin E.

Lap-man, who put out Isadore Bellis, Philadelphia, 6-3, 6-3. In the boys' division, Melvin Schwartzman of New York engineered a big upset in beating Harper Ink, of San Francisco, top-seeded player. 6-2. 5-7, 8-6. This triumph put Schwartzman where he will meet William Umstaeder of MUburn, N.

who won from Joseph Greenberg. Brooklyn, 9-7, 6-0. DUQUESNE SLIGHT FAVORITE TODAY (Continued From Preceding Page) conquest of Pitt back home in mid-October. Tragedy crept into the brilliant athletic picture almost on the eve of the big classic. Early this morning news came from the North that Mrs.

Sophia Minnick, the mother of John Minnick, big reserve tackle of the Dukes from Greensboro, Pa, had died suddenly. Very Reverend J. J. Callahan, president of the uni-resity, delayed informing the heartbroken young man until he arose this He was taken to the local airport by Coaches Smith and Donelli soon after breakfast and started by plane back to his grief-stricken home in Pennsylvania. Bad fortune also hit the Maroons soon after their arrival yesterday.

Victor Dixon, a capable, triple-threat halfback reserve, who was expected to see plenty of service in the holiday tussle, was rushed to a local hospital with actue appendicitis. Before the appendix could be removed it burst and for a time grave fears were held for the young man's life. This evening, however, he was reported as resting comfortably and out of danger. Scores of celebrities will be in the stands tomorrow, including an un-usualully large number of Pittsburgh and Western Pennsylvania grid fans, who have been arriving all week to cheer for the Bluffites. Mrs.

Knute Rockney, whose famous husband coached both Clipper Smith of the Dukes and Assistant Frank Carideo of the Maroons, will view the game from the Pittsburgh-era' bench. AUBURN FAVORED OVER V1LLAN0VA Both Teams Primed For "Battle of the Palms." HAVANA. Dec. 31. UP) Coaches Maurice (Clipper) Smith of Vil-lanova and Jack Meagher of Auburn tucked their football charges in bed with the chickens tonight and announced they were ready for tomorrow's "Battle of the Palms." Auburn was slightly favored in the betting but this was attributed to the fact that Auburn fans were here with money to wager.

Vil-lanova had few home-town supporters on hand. The odds ranged from 6 to 5 to 9 to 5, depending upon the enthusiasm of the individual Auburn fans. After brief practice sessions this afternoon, Meagher and Smith, both Notre Dame products, made the customary guarded statements about their chances of victory. Both predicted the game would be close. Physically there was little to choose between the two.

Auburn held a slight weight advantage in the line but Villanova's backfield is much the heavier. The game is scheduled to start at 2:30 p. m. Eastern Standard time. Probable lineup: AUBURN.

VILLANOVA. Caves L. Sala Roton L. Melius 3antt L. 3 Missar Hubert Galazin McCroskey R.

3 Rizio Rodcers R. Oltvar Burford R. Fox Scarborough! Q. Nye Hitchcock L. Stopper Fenton R.

Etoviak Kilgore T. Kaimo By Jo Metzer laugh, Henry The Editor Is Panned. Sports Editor, Post-Gazette: Under date line of December 29, 1936, in your sports column, Coast man picks Washington and giving 10 points. Why shouldn't this read. Boyle picks Washington gives 10 points? I listened to your moans and groans since Pitt was selected fo play in the Roses game and phat a push over it would be for Washington.

Duquesne should be there according to your way of thinking. The Coast boys thought different abput the Dukes, evidently out they don't eat the same brand of canned carp that you and the Dukes eat. Your boy friend. Grant Rice, too. was doing a lot of worrying about who was going to pay expenses of the Rose Bowl game, after the selection of Pitt was made.

All the empty seats he bov? were going to play to. Santa Clara and L. S. U. would lraw all the customers.

Evidently he forgot that these bowls were over 10 miles apart. Of course we know that you and Grant write for newspapers that picked Landon to by about four touchdowns. Down here we never sell our home product short. We're stringing along with the best football brain in the country today Dr. John Bain Sutherland and his Panthers.

Have you ever heard of the above gentleman. If you have act like it. Your bigheartedness stuns us here. We don't want ten points we'll take Jock and his boys without the points. We have about $2000 Idle here waiting for covering.

Maybe you and your friend. Grant, can oblige us and tell us where we can get this cov- THOMAS BROWN. Rochester, Pa. Comment: What never fails to amaze is our capacity to ay one thing and have it understood as meaning the complete opposite- If Pitt's selection bronifht one moan, or one tiny groan from the Sports Editor he 'would like his memory refreshed. Yet our friend from Rochester thinks we were disappointed over the invitation extended to Titt.

That the contrary was 'true, Watson, makes the case all the more baffling. 4 The Voice of Fort Wayne. "Sports Editor, Post-Gazette: i Being a constant reader of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. I never ifail to find favor with your sports department, for two reasons. Being Ca native Western Pennsylvanian, I to keep in touch with district imports.

Then, too. being sports commentator on Radio Stations and WGL here in Fort iWayne, I appreciate what you Jsport? editors in other parts of the country are thinking. i The reason for this unusual on my part is the rather laughable letter written and published in your column on Saturday. fDecember 26. and signed.

'T Still Like Pittsports," wherein the writer llabors Southern California and.