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' «-r«<r«w.% i fttfe RKPtrfckiCAjr, AL3«1&A, IOWA, WEDNESDAY, AtJOtTS* f, 1896. "•™""*«"'THIRD BAY'S TALK. Nbf-r artd Haf-vey EHseuss ihe JSehrioifletiiation Act, WAS It PASSED IN CONSPIRACY? frftiii the Speeches Jlitdo l)nrlhg Its Long; tonsltlorntlon by Congtes^— iiftSC of the Claim of Collusion i—ftnttey Khtni-ues on Coi-rnption nntl Chat-ges that thn t*rt»S6ct Was atntilated tntfer. [Copyright 1S3'>, b/ Axel F. Hatch.] Mr.Horr had the floor again at the beginning of the third day's debate on the silver question, and began the day's talk with a personal explanation. He said: "Previous to entering upon a discussion of the law of 1873 1 desire to state something us to my personal relations in this debate, because my opponent yesterday stated 'Mr. ttorr has only taught in this debate a proposition that is in the interest of every selfish money-lender in the world to advocate, and he is here advocating it.' That is a part and parcel o£ the method usually adopted by the advocate of free silver for the purpose of creating a prejudice against every person who has honest convictions on the other side of this question. I say to niy opponent now I am not a money-lender, 1 have not a dollar's interest in any hanking institution or American corporation, or any other corporations on the face of the earth. I have spent my entire life In working for a living; all the • early part of that life was spent in hard •work on a small farm; I commenced work- Ing for myself at $10 a month; there is hardly any kind o£ hard manual labor in which I have not at some time in my life engaged, consequently my sympathies are with people who live by toll. "I can meet a dude on the street and pass him by without any peculiar sensation. I never meet a man digging in a trench but what I feel like taking off my hat and saluting him, because I once dug ditches for a living. I can pass by a railroad president, the superintendent of Pullman cars, without any emotion, hut I never meet a brakeman or a baggageman without feeling kindly toward him, because for months I was brakeman on a freight train night and day, and my promotion to bag- gagemaster was one of the proudest moments of my life. From my boyhood up I have lived, or tried to, on what I earned, and consequently I come into this debate for the purpose of defending the Interests, as my friend will learn before I finish it, of the men who live by houost toll. I admit that at present I am employed by a large newspaper corporation of the United States; if It will do him any good I will admit that they pay me every day for my work more than I used to get for two months' hard labor. Am I to blame for that? My policy has always been: 'Take any job you can get so as to get an honest living, and never refuse to take a better one whenever the chance Is offered you.' Is that wrong? I have another motto, too, that whenever I am laboring for a person or corporation I am a good deal more anxious to earn all or more than I get than I am to be worrying round about crowding up my wages. My experience has been that if I do good work they will recognize-my merits and pay me for it, and that is all I have any right to ask for in this world." Proceeding and concluding Horr said be had no prejudices against men who had been more fortunate than he; a man did not necessarily become a scoundrel because he saved part of his earnings; he did not think it anything against a man even If he became a stockholder in a national bank. A suggestion that Harvey's father was such a-stockholder brought from Harvey an emphatic denial, 'with -the admission that it would not have hurt him if he had been, Horr closed by saying that those who accumulate money and build up great Industries are a blessing to the country, and he was just as zealous to prevent financial disaster to those as to see that wages are not cut In two by a debased dollar. Harvey In reply said his remarks of the day before quoted by Horr had no personal application at all. A man could advocate a pernicious principle without himself being necessarily a bad man. Said Harvey, continuing: "This great question is not going to be decided for the American people by any advocate parading himself before them as having been a horny fisted working man at one jtime in his life. I do not object to Mr. Horr giving the evolution of his life.. I do think it was a little unfair to have omitted that in that evolution be finally became a bank president; that statement should have gone with the balance In the play to popular favor. I do not deny that Mr. Horr and numerous selfish bank presidents have at one time been tillers of tbe soil. "Mr. Horr and numerous employes or newspaper corporations and other corporations are in part, many of them, representing their honest convictions, and I accord that to the honorable gentleman from New York, Many of them never stop to analyze tbe question, the great principle that must make or unmake tbe republic in which they live. It is only a question of salary that they consider." Harvey,theu said the value of the debate of the day previous was that it had demonstrated tbe statement that there were only $8,000,000 in silver coined up to 1873 to be false, and that the real quantity was $143,000,000. Horr, replying to Harvey's criticism that he had not included having been a bank president, said it wao pot omitted because be was ashamed of it. He'bad been a Rank president; ibe bank bad gone^ovro ^ the crash of J373, and bis competency went witb it. After a. few. mqt,e words regarding bis present history be tcpk up tbe de- monetization ftc t of 1873, eaying; ^"That bill first originated a little before the year J870. Jt was drafted after consulting a large number of experts. In the flrst day of our discussipn Prptber Harvey went back pn his baby theory, and told us tbat babes did. not mean b&hes at all, that it meant pure and unaoflled people, but now he return? to his old motto and claims that money really is BO simple a thing that babes can understand it. or that people \yjjp have npt studied, it can learo all apput it; and be' is facetious because I have stated tbat tbo question ba? given mo tbe. beaOacbe, i did state that, But, mark ypu, jjrotber Haryey, it was the study of tbe quf gtion tbat made my bea4 ftobe, not writing such stuff as is to tbis bppk. Tbat "" not give auy snau tbe bea4aebe., . ,, T Y?, tbis bill 'was prepare* after iub' Witting tbe quegtipn to a. laj-ge number sf i an pyer tbe V»lted f tfttea- We b»<J isiPft pf tbe JB,int great BUwber pf , years, ftBd th,e - " mint tbpu,gbt tbftt tfee hjd, pome vfken, Hpnjetblas Sb,9\U4 be done,, " wen, wbp W re JWHWf4 _VP_°H ~" iKmtkfav&ym* \ Mr- Ua<J«imB< the director c-4 the mifitj Mr. Parsottft, superintendent «f the mint at Philadelphia, the plan was submitted to these gentleinoa and a large number of others for the establishment of a new system of mintage, and yet the free silver papers of this country intimate that this law must have been Wicked, because It was tacked on to the revision of the mint laws. Why, that Is where it belonged. That was the place to find it. "Now, was there anything secret about it? I deny that It had Its origination in England, or London, or anywhere except in the brains of the people who were looking after the coinage Interests of the United States. And 1 defy Mr. Ha.-vey— not by assertion—to prove one single item that had any reference to the British people controlling or directing this matter. After a correspondence with a large number of these experts upon mints and coinage, the bill was framed, and with tbe correspondence was submitted to congress in the moBt complete form and with an elaborate report from Mr. Knox. whii;h explained all Its provisions. Evsry step taken In the inclpiency of this measure svas as open as the light. ''I am now reading from my own articles and consequently I use them without quotations. Thousands of copies ot tbe bill were sent broadcast to all parts of tbe country. The Banker's Magaxine in its number of July, 1870, printed this report of Mr. Knox and commented on the same. The bill prepared by Mr. Kuox was endorsed by Secretary Boutwell, of the treasury, and transmitted to the senate on April 25, 1870. The bill as it was at that time drafted dropped tbe dollar silver coin of the United States and changed the unit of value. That was In the original bill as It was sent to the senate with a letter from the secretary. Now, noborly tried to cover up that fact. In this report of Mr. Knox were found all tha letters of these different experts to whom had been sent a draft of the bill and who Lad been asked for their opinion upon It. Those letters were all printed by order of the senate in connection with the carefully prepared report of Mr. Knox." HarveJ> here asked if Horr had the bill and letters with him. Horr thought he had them in the city and would produce them If he did have them, and continued as follows: "Mr. Patterson wrote to My. Knox and was printed in the public documents— for I will say to tills house that every single document I have referred to 1 copied from the br.ohs of the government in the city of Washington myself, Individually, BO I know what I am talking about. Mr. Patterson said: 'The silver dollar, half, dime, and three-cent piece are dispensed with by this amendment. Gold becomes tbe standard of money, of which the golri dollar is the unit. Silver Is subsidiary, embracing coins from tbe dime to the half-dollar.' Can anything be more plain than that? Was there any covering up of anything In that letter?" In reply Harvey proceeded: "In the interrupted presentation of demonetization I had called the attention of the people to the condition, morally, of congress at tbe time oil the passage o£ the act. I had referred to impeachment charges against Vice President Colfax in 1873 for fraud in connection with legislation; to the resignation of Secretary of War Belknap for bribery. I now proceed, after first stating for Mr. Horr's Information tbat Del Mar, tho rifft«';'J^; ; * it ~-'-'~! a ^T=ovs that the act of 1S16, demonetizing : ''silver in England, had a clause In it that it might be reinstated by the king; that that clause giving a right to reinstatement was repealed in 1871, and that tbe act in which it was repealed was within two, weeks in the hands of Mr. Knox, the comptroller of the United States treasury, and was in part the basis of the fict In this country." Harvey repeated that there was .an era of corruption In congress at that time. "Clinton. Colgate confessed before the ways and means committee of 1873-to the use of money to influence the Incorporation of cpecial features in the Internal revenue bill, testifying, among other things, that Charles Sherman, of Ohio, a. brother of Senator Sherma'n, had been paid $10,000 by the New York Stock Exchange In connection with the revenue bill. The officials of the stock exchange were subpoenaed, and the facts developed that while the money bad not been paid, Judge Sherman had rendered a bill to the exchange for his services, and, as he claimed, for, securing the services of his brother, Senator Sherman, to put the bill through. Colgate, when he testified, knew of the transaction and supposed the bill bad been paid. As Judge Sherman was then a United States district judge tbe ways and means committee turned the whole matter over to. the JudU clary committee, directing it to take action looking to his .impeachment," He here read a letter from Judge Sherman to a member of the stock exchange, in which the judge claims to have been largely instrumental in securing the repeal of certalnv'.ixes on bankers and brokers, including the stamp tax. The judge incloses a letter^received from the father of the man he was writing to (said father having died just before the judge's letter was written), in \vbich the judge was asked to worker the'legislation desired and a consideration promlseo. The judge tells his correspondent tbat he wept to work in consideration of wfcat was eaid In his correspondent's father's letter, and "had interviews with Mr, Boutwell, with John Sherman, chairman of tbe senate finance committee, with General Garfleld, and other prominent members of congress, and the result was that it became the policy of the administration to repeal not only the' tax in question, but tbe stamp and otbW obnoxicwl'* taxes," Harvey concluded with tbe wprds; "It would readily exhaust the words pf tb}s debate to go into all the investigations O f +T*n *• v\y»<-/•i'wlmie rtnti <yii£>cfc *^ that notorious congress Horr rejoined as foiloNvs; "Tbe attempt of Mr. Harvey to smirch the congress >of tbe United states and make the people of this country believe that tbe people who sotod as members of congress in this country as a rule are corrupt and have been subject tQ purchfts'e and sale, can be cbftrr |ptei'i?ed QjUy a§ infamous, There sit before* me several members pf congress who jerved, wftb m e in several cp'-igreases, a.nd. j appeal t° eftcb and every one of tbenj if during their entire service they ever ea>Y of mMriisted tlwt mpney ^4$ being use<h (P purchase mpiubws of congress. wb?B men start o«t with tbe proposition tbftt in order tp prove their ease they must al,sp pj'pve tbftt tb9 majority of the best men. p| this country ,&re tbieyes and. seounjre^ tbey ba^ better stop before tbey begin,, "I $d.m}j; .tj^t .Judge airman wfls guilty ?f o, crime, Tbftt waj never in iay way con.n,0oteQ «Jtb W? 6,n,4 you tion •w'netner Sir. Knox openiy and sqtfafe- ly presented this bill to congress? Mr. Knox said himself: 'The coinage of, the silver dollar piece, the history of which It here given, is discontinued in the proposer! bill. It Is by law the dollar unit'— yon read that yesterday — 'and assuming tho value of gold to be 15% times that of silver, being about the mean ratio for ' the last six years, It is tvoi'lh in gold a premium of about 3 per cent, its value being $1.0312 and intrinsically more than 7 per cent premium in our other silver coin, its value thus being $1.0743. The present laws consequently authorize a gol'd dollar unit and ft silver dollar unit, differing from each other In intrinsic value. The present gold dollar piece is made the dollar unit m the •proposed bill and the silver dollar piece is discontinued.' A Voice In tho audience: "When was that written?" Horr: "Just before It was sent to congress in 1870.- It was a part of the report that Secretary Boutwell sent to the senate In the spring of 1870; It accompanied the bill and was printed in the public documents as being an explanation of the bill by order of the senate. Is there anything hidden in those sentences?" Horr then gave Sherman's statement in the senate in August, 1S!)3, showing the course of the bill in tbat body, the reports thereon, the fact that six senators from the Pacific "coast made no objections to the bill, the frequency with which it was printed, etc. Horr then followed the bill into the house, after being passed by the senate by a yea and nay vote, Senator Stewart, of Nevada, voting for It. It reached the house Jan. 13, 1871, and was printed on motion of Wlllliam D. Kelly, chairman of the house coinage committee; a report in the meantime of a substitute was made, but that congress expired before final action on the bill. At the extra session In 1871 it was Introduced again, and again no action was taken. Kelly introduced It. Harv»y then took the floor again and referred to the charge against George A. Bassett, clerk of the ways and means committee in 1873. of having demanded §250 per month from New York bankers and brokers to assist them In repealing the tax on borrowed capital, and quoted a Chicago Tribune Washington correspondent as follows: "Turkish corruption under the pashas and beys, or Russian official rottenness, could scarcely be worse than it Is here." He referred also to the "salary list" bill, and said It was at this congress that silver WPS demonetized. Then he said that the bill as passed was not the bill supposed to have been passed. He quoted sections 15 and 21 of the bill with the words in brackets, the omission of which demonetized silver, as he claimed. He said: "As the bill passed both houses the unit was on gold, and free and unlimited coinage of both metals was provided for. But as enrolled the mints were closed to free and unlimited coinage of silver, except as to the trade dollar, afterward abolished. The standard silver dollar was fraudulently omitted after the bill had passed both houses." Horr said the statement p was preposterous. He quoted the words of Kelly, ot« Pennsylvania, in 1S72: "We proceeded with great deliberation to go over tbe bill, not only by sections, but line by line, and word by word." Hooper was also quoted, April 9, 1872, that section 16 re-enacted "the previous existing by-laws, except in relation to the silver dollar, which is reduced in weight from 418V4 grains to 3S4 grains, thus making it a subsidiary coin." Replying Harvey quoted from Kelly, May 10, 1879: '"It (the demonetization .bill) was passed without allusion in debate to the question of the retention or abandonment of the standard silver dollar." 'Horr then quoted what Kelly said In the running debate In the house (not "by eave"), as follows: "All experience has ihown that you must have one standard ioln, which shall be a legal tender for all ithers. *. * * I again call the attention if the house to the fact that the gentlemen who oppose this bill insist upon maintain- ng a silver dollar worth 3^ cents more .ban the gold dollar and 7 cents more than ,wo silver half-dollars, and that so long as ;hose provisions remain you cannot keep silver coin in the country." The. above was said by Kelly prior to the mssage of tbe bill. After another. desser- ation by Harvey on the wickedness of humanity, Horr followed the demonetization bill back to the senate and to its final passage, after being before congress for three fears. Harvey then quoted Kelly as saying during the debate on the bill that it made no change In the existing value o£ coins. Harvey said: "While the record disclosed .the intention to change the unit to gold, it nowhere revealed the Intention to close the mints to silver." He further said: "The clause providing for the 384 grain dollar, with the right to unlimited free coinage, was surreptitiously erased from the bill in 1873 before it was enrolled." Horr then quoted Hooper as saying during the debate: "This bill provides for the making of changes In the legal tender coin of the country, 'and for substituting a legal tender of only one metal, instead, as heretofore, of two." Horr proceeded: "I submit to this audience there is right there in that speech positive proof that that bill was well un- flerstoqd by the people who were legislating oq Jt. Mr. Potter opposed tbe '.bill, but be was frank enough to state tbat one provision in the bill met with his hearty approval, and tbat was the very provision we e> debating here today, No better proof can possibly be given that that bill was, like all the bills passed in that congress, examined carefully, conscientiously." bis «nded the' debate for the 4ay, and Judge Miller announced, that questions from, tbe audience would be now received, Charles Coffin, of Arkansas, was tbe first questioner, He a§ke4 Horr why be pp- sed the American people acting en the free silver question. H°rr replied that he bad never on the face of the earth opposed such action. . J, C, Sibley, of Pennsylvania, asked why, if the silver dollar was at 3 per pent premium in 1S73 gpld monometalists 'claimed tbat the silver dollar was demonetized because sliver "was depreciating in value, Herr replied that tb,e gold, men, never tlftlmed anything of the kind. Np nation t';at had demonetized silver gave that as a DEMONETIZATION. Principal Subject of the Fourth Horr-Harvey Debate. REVIEW BY THE WHITE METAL MAh Of the t'ttnia He Clnlin* Hftfre Been E»t«l> llshed So tnr—Further Evidence 1're- Rented In Mj»prtrt of tlie Con*plracj Charge:—Unrr Heitds a Letter from Ernest Siytl nutl goes Into the Subject o! Gold-.Sllver Ratios. [Copyright 189>, by Azel F. Hatch.] Mr. Harvey had tho floor at the begiii ning ol the fourth day's silver debate and he proceeded t«j sum up his view of whal the debate had so far shown as follows: "The debate so far is of value in this: II shows flrst that gold and silver is the money of the constitution; (2) that the silver dollar of 871J4 grains of pure alive; was the unit of value In our monetarj system and regulated the other coins in our coinage system from 1702 to 1S73; (3| that silver and gold in concurrent coin age was until 1873 the standard and measure of Values of. all other property, ami the basic principle of our monetary system; (4) that prior to 1&78, when one tnotal increased in exchange Value ovrft the other, the debtor had the right to pay in the cheaper metal; (5) that silver wa- not demonetized by the act of JSfci on ao ormnt of the over-production of silver; (0) that $143,000,000 of silver were coined by our mints prior to 1S73 " Harvey then enterei a denial that h 1 had charged general lack of integrity 0:1 the American people, or that every man has his price. He simply did not intern! that those corrupt in official life should "throw around themselves the cloak ol the Integrity of the Americanjpeople. "Ht then proceeded with an explanation of Pot 1 tor's position on the demonetization bill in the house. Potter had expressed suspicion of the bill because he thought it was to assist a speculation in nickel, the bill providing for coinage of 8-cent piece! largely of nickel. Brooks was also suspicious of the bill. On flay «?7 the bill cam* up in the house in the form of a substl' tuto, and Hooper moved suspension ol the rules and the passage of the r blll. Brooks wanted delay until Potter wa« present, but Hooper declined to wait, nor did he want the bill read. The motion was lost. Harvey read The Record to tha above effect. Horr took up tho argument next. He said: "I have shown you that this bill had its inciplency among the experts oil coinage in the United States. I quote here from W. A. Shaw's History of Currency, pago 275. 'The first widely .embracing international conference proper, however, was the outcome of an expression of opinion in the conclave of the Latin Union. It was called at the in vita tion of France and mot at Paris on tho 17th of June, 1877. The states represented were 1 —now listen —'Austria, Baden, Baden, Bavaria, Belzutn, Denmark, Spain, the United States, France, Great Britain, Greece, Italy, tho Netherlands, Portugal, Prussia, Russia, Sweden and Norway, ^Switzerland, Turkey and Wurtemburg. All tho states except Holland declared in favor of the gold standard." ''Now, that is the record of that conference showing that the subject was being agitated by the • civilized nations of the world. It was after that action that our experts commenced to examine the question and see what legislation should be enacted. I stated that they honestly engaged in that work. Has he proven a syllable to the contrary of that? The bill of 1873 simply carried out a resolution o* all these civilized nations of the world. I showed you how openly, how completely, that bill was drawn in all fairness and sub* mitted in every detail to the American people. . The silver men have attempted from tho start to smirch that bill by claiming that those men were false to their duties. "The first yarn that they told and published in a thousand papers broadcast all over the United States was that a man by the namo of Ernest Seyd visited tho United States and brought with him $509,000 .in gold and that he paid thaC gold to secure the passage of that bill, Only a little while ago somebody happened to think that maybe Ernest Seyd had written something on the question. It occurred to some one to write to Mr. Hooper's widow' and children and see if there wasn't something that could be found'; on that subject. They found a letter from Ernest Seyd in reply to Mr, Hooper, who had sent him this Identical bill and asked his opinion on it. lathe course of Mr. Seyd's letter he said: " 'As this is a now bill and presumably repeals all previous enactments I suppose that the,total abolishment of the sliver dollar is contemplated.-, I think that the United'States with her gold and silver mines is in an eminently favorable position to uphold the use of both gold and silver, and that tho double valuation as it existed before would be of great benefit to the country. I am myself, as you will perceive from my writings, in favor of the full and complete adoption of the double standard,' and in that letter from Mr, geyd from beginning to end, cover- pages and pages of typewritten matters he does nothing but oppose the very measure that these men say he spent so much ino'ioy to pass through the A mar- loan con /ess," Harve;' rejoined as follpws: "The report of the monetary conference at Paris in 1867 will contradict tho history that Mr, Horr has read from. As to Ernest Beyd and a letter found ainoug Mr. Hoop* er's effeops since be and Seyd both died, suppose in the years to come some one ^yould eny to tbe people then living that John Or, Carlisle was a bimetallist 'and here is the proof pf it,' and was to rearl from j^r. Carlisle's speech, 'The demone- tizatlon-pf silver is the greatest prime of the ages tvnd its consequences fpr evil ftro greater than all the Hoods and fires, ana pestilences' of tho past.' Would tbat> prove, tbat Mr. Carlisle is a blroettvUlat a,t tt particular time whew something might be charged against him, whou be .acted, fts. i^pretary Pf tbo treasury unilerMr, Gleve. reply to another question Horr said It wag trije that Jeff ergon'6gi<J tQ cpngress he 4iBContlnue,a the ppinage pf the gpiigj.' a report pf tbe SJroetpr pf the tbe.reaspn assj§Re<| foj dls- tbe ^P^aage waj tb? IP.irc.jty of mju,t + tttei" _.., "tQ prevent tbe expcrtatjpivpf tlio of tfte United State,? to f°rel^ cpu»- i 'l»rtbe? 'Uaryey then proceeded, w jt)j the repoyfl, Qf - congress w,jen tbe house refftgefl $Q guspend. (he rule? ftno; pass tbe d,enaQneUt 99&QB14U wtthp»t> resting. "My, tB$g '«6k.e,a tbtg questions 'flefpre <lu,es.yQ,n. is tB&eu URQU, guspepdjng Me bUl I hope the, fapJMigette w}U e Je#d.tBg «hange| {Rftfte by this , e$j$c|&i}y te frtmnw the bill did demonetize the silver dollar. The rules were then suspended and tht Substitute passed. The bill went to tho senate and Harvey read from tho record Sherman's desire to have !t passed quickly, the senator saying that it would only take the time consumed in reading the bill. HnrveJ quoted Sherman as follows in answer tc u question by Casserly: "If the sonatoi will allow me, he will sco that the pre Ceding section provides for coin which is exactly interchangeable with the English shilling nnd the five franc piece of France; that is, the five franc piece of France will be tho exact equivalent of a dollar of the United States in our silver coinage." In reply Horr said: "That is right, Mr. Harvey. The bill that was reported to the senates and that they were then discussing had in it a provision for tho coining of silver dallars, the silver dollars about which you talked at the last session of this debate containing 884 grains, and they were made with all the other silver coins, subsidiary coins. The senate struck that provision out and substituted the trade dollar for that 334 grain dollar." Harvey—If you will show mo from the record of tho proceedings in the senate on that day that the senate struck out, that dollar we will stop this debate right hero, Horr replied: "I have not tho record, but I can get it. The law when it was passed had tho trade dollar in it. Da you deny that?" Harvey—No sir, I do not. Horr—And didn't that take the place of the other dollar? Harvey—No sir. Horr—I defy you to show a word anywhere that substantiates that position. "The only men who opposed that bill in the house were Clarkson N. Potter and Mr. Brooks, both millionaires from Wall street, both representing the very men that you say were trying to impose that bill upon this country for the purpose of aiding men who are rich. Mr. Potter stated in so many words the truth; he thought it was inopportune, but he says: 'I am in favor of the gold unit. I am in favor of that provision of the bill.' That bill becamea law by the substitution of the trade dollar. Tho law in reference to making tho gold dollar the unit of value was never changed at any stage in tho process of tho bill. It is apparent, however, that the bill met with little opposition; not because its provisions* were not understood, but because ar, that time no one cared very much abjuo the silver dollar." Horr quoted a letter from Senator Justin S. Morri!!, of Vermont, to whom nobody, he said, imputed dishonor, in which Morrill said: "There has been aloud and delusive cry about the act of congresH in 1873, which after three years of consideration by the treasury department and congress purposely omitted to provide for tho further coinage of the silver dollar, none having been coined for nearly forty years and only $8,000,000 having ever been coined." To meet Horr's argument Harvey quoted Sherman, in the Forty-second congress, speaking of tho silver dollar: "Wo are providing that it shall float all over the world." Again: "This bill proposes a silver coinage exactly the same as the French, and what are called the associated nations of Europe [meaning the Latin union") who have adopted the international standard of silver coinage; that is, the dollar provided for by this bill is tho precise equivalent of the 5-frano piece." Here Harvey reached the passage of the bill by the senate with slight changes in a few minor points, when it was referred to a conference committee which could settle only disputed points and could not change what had been agreed upon by both houses, he said, and the silver- dollar clause ['Cleaning a full legal tender dollar] was not a disputed point. The committee was composed of Senators Scott (Pa), Bayard and Sherman, and Representatives Hooper (Mass.), Stoughton (Mich.) and McNealy (Ills.) And here was Harvey's point: He said that In that committee the 3S4 grain dollar was stricken out (the dollar, that had been agreed upon, under principles of free coinage, by both houses). It presented its report and the congressional rec< ord nays of the matter: "The report was concurred in"—"those five words, and no more." Both houses trusted theic committees; the points of disagreement wore understood and the committee was supposed to 'have performed its duty. Neither house asked any questions, nor was there any debate. He added: "If that dollar was only a subsidiary dollar, limited to the purchase of silver by the secretary of tbe treasury only and that was its only virtue in that bill, wby did it disappear from the bill?" Years afterward, he. said, the report oi the senate committee turned up so altered as to show an amendment striking out the silver dollar. Horr defied Harvey to prove that the clause making the gold dollar the unit of value was ever erased, from tbe bill, or that In any draft of the bill was the silver dollar made anything but a subsidiary coin, He then said Harvey was wrong as to the procedure in conference. It not infrequently happened in changing disputed clauses that it was necessary to change clauses not disputed. But in any event the report had to be made and every change stated. He said: ".No unusual thing was done with this bill, It passed almost precisely as the secretary of the Jtreas- ury had recommended it when be first sent tho draft to tbe American congress, Tha only other feature of any Importance in it was the £ ne\v feature of the trade dollar; otherwise it was nearly identical with the bill thai had first been drafted." Htorr read a letter from Jasper Packard, of New Al« bany, Ind,« in whieh be, who was a member pf congress during the consideration of tbftt bill, gays; "I heard It all, Hppp er's gpeepb, and KeJley's »n<J all tbe rest. The gpld dpllar. WHS made the uuit of value in the bill from its flret printing, and' ft dpllar of §§i grains provided, for and, put in tbe list of tbe sub e»4iary pgins ( legai tender tp only 15. Afterward, that aollttpwas flrgpped entirely and tbe trade dollar with more silver in it w^s g^bstitutesi, There w^s never any gecreQy about it," ' reply Harvey said! • • "sr $9$ tbe . .for tbe dollar by wineb U on tb,u Tubers WftS no fct'Mfi 4fiWW,f°l? fcbe, I w&flt yejj 16, tfte slltof dollar faction, to fefe i ered, and it was passed as it came the house simply bj- being marfcei *d_ to.'" Harvey then insisted thdb he ' right regarding tho procedure in ferencs committees, and that such caflf* - imttees could not change any thing agrs^ft on by both houses. Ho charged that eltfesf men on the conference committee ot Botaft "fraudulent clerk" had stricken out tft» silver dollar. He asked "the voters of th# republic to road the Congressional Bec«ftl of Jan. 17, 1873, and see for themselt** that it is there expressed that the aHwt dollar was hi the bill before it was emasculated by the conference committee, life* Silver dollar that Was With the trade dollar to have f roj access to tho mints. Tha* the conspiracy succeeded, either by a eafc* rupt clerk or the two men who made tfe*- report, or both." Horr offered to give Mr. Harvey W«time if he would show that the dispute*, dollar was given free coinage by the btlf as it came f*rom tho house, and Harvef said he had already shown it. Horr replied: "This now dollar that was provided for in tho bill in the house as ife went to the senato wa- just twics tfeft size of the half dollar. Now the provislan exlsted that the silver for making BUB/I half dollars should be bought by tho Kciif- ernment and that the seigniorage arising: from coining such money, Which waft worth less than it was worth on Its f&ae, should go into tho government treasurjr. Do you believe they provided for a cola containing double the amount of silver in. the half dollar and agreed to take all tb& silver that should come to the mint u,ai£ coin it into such dollars, and in the samA bill also provided that it it was coined iu.- to half dollars the government should get it [tho seignorage]? Men Wouldn't ff* and sell their silver for tho market pries when the very bill would permit them to- have it coined and glvo them a larger price for it." Horr then, after a review of tho points upon which ho and Harvey agreed attifi differed, proposed to go into the questlaw. —the law being on tho statute books- Should it be repealed? But Harvey salifi. he wasn't through with the demonetiza- tion act, Ho quoted the Chicago TribUti* of Jan. 18, 1873, which only briefly mefr- tlonod in its telegraphic report the .passage ot the bill, notwithstanding onu at the money metals had been "struck down" by that bill. The reporters at. Washington did apt know it. Horr d&- nied that the passage of tho law resulted in curtailing tho silver money in circulation in this country, Ho proposed then, to go into the question of ratio, but HOP- vey said he hud still something inoro to- • say about the demonetization act. Harvey quoted Thurman, Feb. 15,. 1878, declaring that he did not know the biM „ demonetized the silver dollar; Conkllng.-. admitting his iguoranco of the facfi . March 3J, 1876; and Allison declaring^ Feb. 15, 1878, that the bill had been "doc - tored" and that It did not as passed .rej» resent the intention of the house. Holman \vas quoted, July 18, 187(i, da- clarlng that the matter of the bill's passage was "a colossal swindle" and as ifi passed was certainly not road to the house. Said Holman: "I myself askoi the question of Mr. Hooper, who sto<s£- naar where I am now standing, whether it chaged tho law in regard to coinages, , and the answer of Mr. Hooper certainty left the impression upon tho whole nous* • that the subject of tho .oolnage was nab affected by tho bill." Horr said: "I desire to say to tbe gentleman that just what one congressman; or another may have said about ibis bill I neither know' nor bare. I know thlss, that the men composing the congress* oC ''• 1873 personally and individually havw every one of them denied the statement of corruption that you charge in tha passage of this bill. I know that they have nothing but inuendoes to base the charge upon. I know that they cannofe mako a case unless they flrst prove thai no decency was left in the American congress in 1873." Horr then took up the question of" rates, saying that Harvey might continue "banging at that pld hple" if - he so desired. He referred to Del Mar, of Loa- don, to show the variation of the ratio between silver and gold from the beginning, showing that in the ArohBfa epoch, the earlist record, the ratio woe 1 to 1. In the Vedic period it was 1 to i. In the Buddhio epoch it was 1 to b% aad. so on down to 1769 when it had changed to 14 to 11 Ho wanted Harvey to explain this, and why it was the highly civilize*, nations that had adopted gold as tba standard. "Harvey, however, insisted on contlaat- • ing tho debate on the demonetization oo^, afcd said he had intended to quote many; more proofs of the alleged fraud, but tha* Horr's retreat made it unnecessary. He then quoted the Chicago Tribune, Februt- ary 23, 1B78: "This act, done secretly and stealthily, to the profound ignorno? of thpse who voted for it, 'and of the president who approved It, had, without tto, knowledge of the country, removed one of the landmarks of the government; ba^ under cover of darkness, abolished tb* constitutional dollar, and had arbitrarily and to tbe immense injury of the people;, added heavily to every form of indebtedness, public and private." Harvey concluded as follows; "The first question that strikes the innocent mta4 pf tPday Is, why has npt this wrpng be>«» sooner rightedf It is because, sirs, me*; stand bare-beaded beneath a gun wh< enervating ray^ blind tbe eyes and' stroy human character, The same tion which originated an,d bpmpleied prime is still practiced upon the and the same power that directed ft is directing it now, Tbe child of I standing in the laboratory of tbe mist, pan pee tbe most deadly made, but UP appearance furnishes «£» evidence pf its deadly powej?. '•So it is with tbe man wj „ „ actpf J873. Suob b»s been tbe efjep.$pj,'; the act of 18V3. tbftt debwfl mpney pf tbe government, wnsiste'd in destroy' to Silver gg a j fa i. peive Jbe popple by tbaHt If primary reopey ing it ftg 6uch." ended the Judge Miller tbQB would b§

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