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April 8, 1954

The Courier News from Blytheville, Arkansas · Page 7

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THURSDAY APRIL 8,1954 BLVTHEVItLE (AKK.) COURIER NEWS PAGE SEVEN The McCarthy Story-4 'Red Hunting' Senator, Aide Interviewed by Reporters EDITOR'S NOTE—Sen. Joseph McCarthy, in an interview with two veteran Associated Press reporters, was asked about his campaign to dig out Communists. Here is an up-to-date statement of the senator's views. By JACK BELL And RELMAN MORIN WASHINGTON ( A P) — Sen. Joseph McCarthy says "a sizable number" of the 81 he listed in a Senate speech four years ago as Communists or fellow travelers in the State Department "have been removed." Of 30 or more in defense plants who pleaded the Fifth Amendment befpre McCarthy's investigating either suspended or fired," the senator says. The idea of a. box score on the guccess of the committee has, he says, - 'a lot of merit." "I think it could be useful," tie told two questioners in an exclusive recorded interview. Roy M. Conn, the committee's chief ccoin- sel, also sat in on the session. Here are the questions, and McCarthy's answers: Q—Some of the chairmen of investigating committees have pub- •iished in the Congressionl Record a box score of the results of what they have done. Do you plan anything similar to that in the near future? • * * McCarthy—It hadn't occurred to me. It might be a good idea. Q—Would you consider keeping a running box score week by week or month by month, or something of that sort? A—If any of the members of the committee wanted it, yes- Q—I mean for your own personal use. You are always alluding to how many Communists were in such a position or in such place. If you keep a box score, wouldn't you have it at your fingertips? A—I think it is a good idea. In fact, it is a good idea for the speeches from now on. Q—How would you break this down, such a box score, in categories? You have talked about Communists. You don't usually use the words "fellow traveler." You have said the "Communists associates." You have also said "Fifth Amendent Communists." Would you break that down into gradations of these people? A—I suppose you would have to break it down because there is a difference between a man who has been named: an espionage agent, a man who has been named as a spy in a high planning position, or the Communist who is, we will say, driving a truck in a defense plant. There is certainly no comparison between the two insofar as the damage they can do is concerned. As I say, it is the first time that an idea of keeping a box score has been broached. I think it could be useful. I think, Roy, you should give that some thought. Q—What is your present figure for the number of Communists, Fifth Amendment Communists,. and of Communists associates, take those thifs categories, on which you claim you have turned up or your committee have turned up? » * * A—First, I suppose we will have to go back to the old figure of 81 that I gave to the Senate. A sizable number of the 81 have been removed from week to week. Q—Those are the 81 cases you cited in that Senate speech? A—Yes. That included the 57 that I mentioned over at Wheeling, W. Va- I think the most recent of those cases which is getting attention is the case of John Paton Davies. (Davies is counselor to the U. S. Embassy at Lima, Peru. He was cleared seven times by State Department loyalty-security boards, and once by the top government loyalty review board under the Truman administration. Secretary of State Dulles has announced, that Dav':s will go before a special se- cvrlty board to clear up "conflicting points" raised in a new investigation.) What will be done about his case, I don't know. I frankly couldn't at this time give you a complete list of the 81 who have been removed from government. In the book that I wrote a short time ago — not a short time ago — two years ago we had a list, which is not up to date now. I have no way of following the 81 except by a personal investigation. Under the present rules, under the old Truman order, we cannot get that information from the government. In other words, whether they were discharged for security reasons, loyalty reasons or what. * • • As to defense plants, Roy, how many took the Fifth Amendment who were working in defense plants? Do you remember th* ures? fig- Cohn — In public session it was something over 30 who were fired as a result of the investigation. McCarthy — What is the figure of 81 that .somebody gave me the other day? Conn — That is a composite figure. McCarthy — That includes more than Fifth Amendment cases. Conn — It includes Fifth Amendment cases but not all of them were currently employed at that time. McCarthy — So as of now, Roy, you would say that over 30 who were in defense plants, which plants in turn were handling classified defense work, have appeared before the committee and refused to answer whether they were Communists on Che grounds of self-incrimination; some of them even refused to answer whether they would sabotage the plant if they were ordered to do so by the Communist party, and they have all been either suspended or fired." Cohn — That is conservative. McCarthy—I might say that General Electric, which does a lot of defense work, adopted the rule of removing Fifth Amendment Communists after we started our hearings. Then, of course, keep in mind also that at Ft. Monmouth, according to the news stories, some 32 individuals were suspended. That doesn't mean that they were all guilty. Some of them were reinstated because they were called be- you are investigating? McCarthy — I don't recall the phrase being used in connection with Communists. I think I was referring to teachers who act like, think like and do all the things that a Communist would do. You don't know whether they belong to the party or not. Q — In your own mind are those people as guilty of acting against our government as a Communist himself, people who think like Communists? A — Let's not talk about "thinking, all " Let's take the people who do the things the Communists themselves very well, showed they had some Communist connection a number of years ago but convinced the Army authorities, who were listening, that they were not bad security risks. I don't know how many of the 30 odd have been reinstated because we have been tied up in other work recently. • * * Q — In connection with that — McCarthy — Can I state just one other thing? I think you ought to Dick out some of the worst cases. You would take someone like Levine who was handling top secret, had been for 10 years, in telecommunications. They do top secret radar and electronic work, and "crypt." The day we served the subpoena, on Dec. 13, she did say she was not an espionage agent but refused to tell whether or not she had been delivering secret material to espionage agents. Q — L-E-V-A-N? Cohn — Ruth L-E-V-I-N-E. McCarthy — She was before the committee on the 16th, called on the 13th. Incidentally, the security officer over tllere I think has been doing a pretty good job, don't you, Roy? Cohn — Yes. He is a former FBI man. McCarthy — No matter how good a job they are doing keep in mind they can't put a witness under oath and swear them, subject them to indictment for perjury if they testify falsely. So the committee has quite an advantage in digging them out. Q — I want to ask you in connection with that what is your attitude toward the people in government who you have said in the past, "think like a Communist." How do those people figure in this whole supposedly espionage system which would do. If they are teaching school, if they would teach the way they would teach under Communist discipline, if they follow the Com- munnsit party line, if they are acting as a Communist is acting, if they are following a Communist line certainly anyone who is teaching conspiracy and treason should not have a captive audience in a school. Q—Suppose they are not teaching conspiracy and treason but merely teaching what communism is? Is there a difference in your view? A—Of course there is. I think it is impossible to fight communism unless you know all about it. Unfortunately, many people have confused teaching what communism is with advocating communism. Q—You would draw a definite line between telling school students what communism is and in some way advocating it, then? A—There is no comparison. It is like the difference between teaching about the dangers and the evils of crime or advocating murder. Q—In that same line. Sen. Flanders said in the Senate recently that while you are active in pointing out the dangers of communism within you seldom mention the dangers of communism without, that you seldom mention Russia. Is there any reason for that of is that true? A—I don't think It Is necessary for me to talk about the dangers of communism from Moscow. That is very easy. It is a very popular sport. You find politicians from coast to coast during a campaign waving their arms and talking about the evils of communism a couple of thousand miles away; while there is certainly danger from without, the biggest danger is from within. As Abraham Lincoln said some way. Is there any reason for that? A—If We found any Communists in the Air Corps or in any other branch, we of course would have to expose them. We have only found them in the Army so far. I think we should emphasize the fact, that the vast majority of the officers in the Army who have contacted me in regard to this investigation—a great many have, especially in the last week—are heartily 100 per cent in favor of exposing any Communists that are found. * • • Our difficulty gomes principally from the civilian Pentagon politicians, if I may refer to them as that. Q—are they in all services, "the civilian Pentagon politicians" or are they only in one, the Army? A—Our principal difficulty has come from the legal departments so far. Q—Of the Pentagon, representing all the services or the legal department of the Army? A—Both the defense establishment and the Army. A good example of how officers feel, I think, was demonstrated by Gen. (Kirke) Lawton, who is the commanding officer of Ft. Monmouth, which we investigated. He was before the committee. I can't quote it verbatim as I don't have the testimony here. Roy. see if this isn't substantially what he said. I said, "General, why did you wait until we started our investigation before you started to suspend the?" people with Communist records?" He said, '"Sour question is the answer, senator." He said. "I wouldn't get the backing until you started your investigation." Then he went on to tell us of all the cases that they had suspended, 1st Army's loyalty board agreed some with very bad records. They would get by the 1st Army's loyal- with the commanding officer at Ft. Monmouth, the appeal would be to ty board. Then, of course, if the the board in the Pentagon. They call it the screening board, or something like that. Almost without exception they would reverse know what is going on. As far as getting information ourselves is concerned, we could get all Unit information behind closed doors. There are two theories, of course. There i s one theory, followed by some, (hat it is a favor to the American people to let them know what their elected officials are doing". I don't follow that theory. I think they have an absolute right to know what Ls going on. I think we have an absolute duty to bring ail the facts in regard to any misconduct on the part of public officials tt> the attention of the public, if there are Communists handling ueHense work, the American people should know it. That, is the way you get them. Q—Do you ever get any tips from the FBI? You have said that you do noi have access to their files'? A—I neither ask the FBI for information nor do they supply me with information. The only time I ask for information is through the attorney general. By official letter we occasionally ask for name checks. We occasionally nsk that an individual we can't'find be located. That is always done through the attorney general; and if he authorises, we :;vt the information as to the locution, As far as a file is concerned, Roy. up to this time we have never gouen an FBI file, have we? Cohn -We have never gotten an FBI file and we have never gotten a tip from the FBI. Q—Have you ever gotten infor- j mution from the FBI on cases? Have some of your requests been granted by the attorney general? McCartJiy—Information as to the location of people w h o m we couldn't find. Q—No information ns to the ac- and order him reinstated and back pay would be paid to him. That board was disbanded, incidentally, during our Ft. Monmouth hearings. A different board was set up with different personnel. Q.—There has been some question in the minds of some people, | time ago—I can't quote him ver- which they have expressed pub- batim; I will let you do that— Q—You flatter me. McCarthy—He said, "All the Armies of Europe and Asia combined, with all the wealth of the world in their military chests, with a Bonaparte as a commander, in a trial of a thousand years could not make one track upon the Blue Ridge nor could they take one drink from the Ohio." He said, "From whence then will danger come. If this country is to be destroyed, it will be destroyed from within or live for all time to come." I agree with that Meartily. Q—In your investigation— A—Let me finish one other thing. One Communist spy in the State Department, in policy division, can do tremendous damage while one Communist spy over in Moscow can do us very little damage. Q—You mentioned the State Department. When you get around to the armed services, however, you seemed thus far to have investi- licly, that your objective in this committee investigation is to expose information already in your possession rather than trying to uncover new information about people, which they have expressed publicly, that your objective in this committee investigation is to expose information already in your possession rather than trying to uncover new information about people. What do you say to that sort of theory in connection with your investigations? * • * A—I am not sure that I follow you on that. Q—Well, there are contentions that you have this information, that you have obtained it somehow, and that you hold your hearings not to obtain new information but merely to expose what information you already have, that you are not gathering new information by your public hearings. A—The principal purpose of a gated only the Army in any major public hearing is to let the public GOING FISHING? See Eddie For Refreshments BEER — BY BOTTLE OR CASE Nation-lily Advertised Liquors FISH TALES TOLD HERE (Lies Accepted) Eddie's Liquor Store and Billiard Parlor 122 East Main THE GRAND NATIONAL STEEPLECHASE HANDICAP CUP awarded every year at Belmont Park, N. Y After the races, reminiscing ivitk friends, complete your pleasure with a glass of Hill and Hill. 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Nominations were made by an executive committee composed of current Student Council officers and the presidents of the classes. Students will vote during home room period Friday by secret ballot. They do not have to vote a straight party ticket. Results of the election will be announced In this column next week. Howard Haynes, Roland Howard, Wheeler Graey, John Knits:. Carl Wayne Young and Emily Damon tivitie.s of those people? A—No, I en n't recall anv. iTimv: More Q and A on politics urru L/Z There ore o lot of people usinc the touch system who orer/i tvoists. will RO to Jonesboro tomorrow to purtioipate in the District FFA contest. Emily is the county FFA Sweetheart. Bill McLeod. chapter advisor, will accompany them. Number Nine The first, second nnd third graders have been doing- creative writing, illustrating health pictures and stories to be made into a scrapbook. 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