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Saturday July 16 1983Part II 7 Dissident Tridentines Lock Horns With Roman Catholic Church Cos Anflelea STunca of Catholicism Its founder-leader Bishop Francis Schuckardt has implicitly "set himself up as the final and last arbiter of Catholic according to the Spokane bishop Accused by former members of leading an authoritarian personality cult Schuckardt told the diocesan newspaper that the ex-members are fanatical group of men and women who have banded together to spread lies slander and A recent exchange of characterizations occurred after Michaels he has never seen our way of Schuckardt said adding that the Tridentine group is often given the "cult" tag because "we are unusual and seem anachronistic" In interviews with the Inland Register the Spokane diocesan weekly Schuckardt expressed his personal concerns about what he called the harmful influences of Freemasonry in the formation of America He said he does not find every facet of American government anti-Catholic but he added princi- A By CHARLES HILLINGER Times Staff Writer SPOKANE They call themselves the Tridentine Latin Rite Catholics a religious congregation that separated from the Roman Catholic Church in 1968 with 800 members in this area and northern Idaho plus thousands of followers scattered elsewhere was raised a Catholic I still am a Catholic We believe the Vatican II church is not Catholic" insisted Father Dennis Philomena Marie 43 vicar general of the group The defiant group is a visible irritant for the Catholic Diocese of the Tridentine Catholics have their headquarters in a huge 68-year-old red-brick structure on Mount St Michaels a hill overlooking the city from the north The Church From 1915 to 1977 the building was a Jesuit seminary housing as many as 500 men studying for the priesthood along with scores of classrooms offices and a church "We are doing precisely what the Jesuits did Father Dennis said referring to the period before reforms from the 1962-65 Second Vatican Council were introduced into church life use the same theology the same catechism celebrate the same Latin Mass the same liturgy Priests baptize hear confessions marry The Roman Catholic Church is the one that existed before Pope John XXIII and Vatican II he said Latin Masses are still offered in some US Roman Catholic parishes but they must follow the revised rites rf linSisliM 4 4 X- vw-n 4t A if' I 1SX 1 S' Blf 0l: fr" i pj B-la alia But to show the loyalty to America he added the members fly a flag of their own design in honor of Mary the patroness of America Bishop Francis Schuckardt 45 was an active Roman Catholic lay leader until he left the changing church in November 1967 The fledgling Tridentine church was formed the next year in Coeur Ida In 1971 Schuckardt said he was ordained a priest by Bishop Daniel Brown of Toledo Ohio a bishop of the schismatic Catholic sect founded in Holland in 1732 called the Church of Utrecht In this country it became known as the Old Roman Catholic Church in America Later that year Brown reportedly consecrated Schuckardt as a bishop The Tridentine Latin Mass Catholics are not associated with any other traditionalist remnant groups the best known being the Society of St Pius movement founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre Many of followers still live in Idaho but increasing numbers are moving to the Mount St complex Followers Purchasing Church Land The church is paying the Jesuit order $15 million for the 700-acre site Father Dennis said To help make payments 400 acres are being sold to followers in 10-acre parcels which range from $10000 to $50000 in price Many members are building homes on the sites he said The priest said affiliated chapels exist in Los Angeles San Diego Phoenix Omaha and Colorado Springs with more planned in other cities The church has a mailing list of 40000 people at least in some degree agree with he said The organization currently has seven priests two of them defectors from the established church The seminary houses 65 young men studying to become priests The elementary school has enrolled 110 boys and the high school 40 young men The more than 100 nuns here wear the traditional habit and others living at a convent in Colbert 16 miles to the north operate a high school for more than 200 girls today know what the church was like years Dennis said Catholics are confused and disappointed with their The mother superior Mother Mary Teresa is a former Carmelite nun Sister Mary Claretia a one-time Notre Dame nun said she visited Mount St Michaels and decided to stay on because she to be a nun as she was before Vatican At the same time under leadership the Spokane-based church is not identical with the earlier institution According to the diocesan newspaper the Tridentine Catholics believe that the worldwide church is in a state of interregnum a period between popes and that their own ranks will produce a true successor to Pope Pius XII who died in 1958 I was raised a Catholic I still am a Catholic We believe the Vatican II church is not Catholic Dennis Philomena Marie CHARLES HILLINGER Loa Angelea Times Jesuit seminary in Spokane Wash The group separated from the Catholic Church in 1968 Brother Kasimir stands in front of the Tridentine Latin Mass Catholic a former issued in 1969 according to Vatican II guidelines The Tridentine organization takes its name from the Latin Mass promulgated in the 16th Century But diocesan Catholic officials and former members of the dissident group claim the congregation is a using the appearance of a traditional Roman Catholic Church as a cloak of deception to attract members Bishop Lawrence Welsh of the Diocese of Spokane insists that although some Catholics "joining the group are sincere in their belief the Tridentine Latin Rite Church cannot be identified as a legitimate expression of Roman Catholic faith Their denial of the papacy is a denial of the church In connection with a series of articles three years ago about the Tridentine Latin Mass Catholics also called the "Fatima Welsh also said the group even distorts church tradition through a historical Father Kent Burtner director of the Newman Center at Southern Oregon State College in a speech last May at Gonzaga University labeled the group a that uses deception and behavior modification techniques on the same plane as some controversial new religious organizations After the speech was reported in the press Schuckardt went to a local television station to rebut the charges in an evening news broadcast "Father Burtner has never been to Mount St pies of democracy and Catholicism are The ideal government is a Catholic monarchy he said The US flag is not displayed by the organization Schuckardt said because some members feel the red white and blue colors were derived from long-ago European conflicts "The red in the flag symbolizes the blood of priests bishops and nuns who were nailed to convent doors and murdered by Freemasons Schuckardt was quoted as saying Lutherans 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