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i i Progress-Bulletin, Pemene, Calif. Wednesday Oct. 16, 1963 Page 7, Sec. 4 Racin With Mason Donerail Paid Top Price in Derby By ERNIE MASON Turf Writer READERS rOST TIME Who was the longest priced winner of the Kentucky Derby and what year did Itegret win the race? Wasnt Regret the only filly to win the Derby? Harry S. Long, Pomona.

Donerail's win mutuel of $184.90 In the 1913 renewal of the Run for the Roses event is the record high payoff for its 89 runnings. His winning time for the mile and one-quarter was a mediocre 2:04 45 but it was good enough at that time to establish a new track record. You are correct in stating that Regret is the only filly to triumph over male rivals in the Kentucky Derby. She won by two lengths in 1913 and paid $7.30 as the public choice in the race. What is the longest distance thoroughbreds are allowed fo race? Ive heard of them going as far as 10 miles.

Do you happen to know how much time it takes a horse to run that far? I think there are too many sprint races nowadays. Why don't the tracks havp marathon races as far as five or six miles? Im sure the public would enjoy them more than the short furlong races. Donna Wood, Long Beach. I dont know of any rule that limits how far a thoroughbred is allowed to run but four miles is the longest distance I can find any record of. The world record for that distance is seven minutes and 10 45 seconds set by Sotemia at Churchill Downs on Oct.

7, 1912. The main reason there arent more marathon races is that it takes much more conditioning to get a horse up to running distances of a mile and one-half or more than it does for a sprint race. Personally I enjoy distance races as well as sprints. I do believe that races could be graduated up to two miles with an occasional two and one-half mile event as a championship test for stakes-class marathoners. Now that Las Vegas has had its opening do you 1111 think it has any chance to be successful? The reason Im asking is that I have a chance to buy a quarter horse very reasonable and dont want to take it to Las Vegas if they are going to fold up like the track that ran there a while back.

The firm I work for is transferring me to Nevada and I thought having a race horse might keep me away from the gambling tables. J. S. Pomona Im not a prophet but after spending a weekend at Las Vegas and seeing the new Th underbird Downs race track in person, I dont see any reason why this particular venture shouldn't be successful. Joe Wells, president of the Thunder-bird Hotel and of the new race track, is a solid citizen of Las Vegas.

If the first two weekends of racing are any indication you can look for its popularity to grow. The opening weekend bucking the final two World Series games) saw the total attendance in excess of 7500 while this last weekend crowds of better than 4000 turned out each clay with the daily handle easily going over the $70,000 needed to break even. The Big Six multiple wagering feature (it works exactly like Calientes 5-10) has already taken a hold and it figures to increase in popularity with each weekend of racing. I wouldnt want to advise you on whether to buy a race horse or not but do suggest you write or phone Richard Thompson, racing secretary and director of racing at the Thunderbird Downs, and find out if this particular horse will fit in with the current racing at the Las Vegas track. FACIAL TISSUE ASST.

COLORS la Can you tell me why one horse can win a race easily in fast time and then come Imck several days later and be well beaten in slower time? This has always perplexed me. If we cant handicap horses by time how can you figure who the fastest horses are in a race? Margaret Schilling, Santa Ana. There is no absolute way of knowing ahead of time the fastest horse in a race. One big fallacy among horse players is in figuring that one horse is faster than another just because he had run a faster race. Im not trying to confuse you but in my own method of handicapping I do not give too much credit to running time.

The main information running time gives is that it does prove a tioCse can' runfar. "How the race is run (whether the pace is swift'or not) actually determines the final outcome of a race more than any other factor. In other words if Swaps had set an easy slow pace in a race, no matter how fast he ran the last half or quarter-mile the final time would be slow. Also if a horse wins handily or easily (with speed in reserve) there is no telling how much faster he may have been able to go. For that reason his final running time would not be a true gauge of his potential speed.

How a horse is rated, when the jockey makes his move or track conditions are also strong factors in how fast a race is run. The next time you see a supposedly slower horse win from a faster one (probably heavily favored because of faster running times) don't be too surprised. Just figure that the winner had more inherent class and speed han the one you mistakenly believed was faster because of runnin" times. Editors Note Address all letters for Readers Post-Time to Ernie Mason Post Office Box 66, La Mirada, Calif. IRBROS.

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TUESDAY'S RESULTS FIRST RACE ONE MILE. TROT. 3 YEAR OLDS AND UP. CLAIMING. PURSE SI, 600 Mister Gallon (A Hterlnq) 5 80 3 00 2 40 Bdttrnklll Todd (C Hansen) ,.5 00 3 60 Ethan Moms (J Cruise) 3 40 Time 2 06 THIRD RACE ONE MILE.

TROT. 3 YEAR OLDS AND UP. CONDITIONED. PURSE $1 600 I iic Me Wi (J OBnen) 4 60 3 40 2 80 Kartsens Gay Song (D Ackerman) 14 80 6 40 Miss Gill (J MacDonald) 2 60 time 2 0b Also raced King's Prophet, Tiny Star, I ord Yates, Gay Gold, Florne, Marietta June, Fieetroy. Scratched Some Sunoay, Madison Lad.

Also raced Foretell, Spwfy Roserroft, Decatur Duchess, AveriH Boy, Solo Flight, Brave Rodney, King Darnley. Scratched Angie Boy. SECOND RACE ONE MILE PACE 3 YEAR 0L0S AND UP. CLAIMING PURSE $1 600. Mighty Tarr (G Van Every) 11 00 20 3 20 Mojave (W Carroll) ..9 00 4 60 J.

Mite Cox) 4 00 Time 2 04's FOURTH RACE ONE MILE. TROT 3 YEAR OLDS AND UP CLAIMING PURSE $2,100. Scott Creed Grenier) ..5 80 3 2 60 Success Dean (C Milter) 4 80 4 00 Jeffrey Scott (J Cruise) Time 2 03 Also raced Arqo Buck, Rebel Song Hanover, Gallant Kid. ho scratches. FIFTH RACE ONE MILE PACE 3 YEAR OLDS AND UP.

CLAIMING. PURSE $2,100. Cotton Pnnre (G Sears) ,.7 60 4 40 3 40 Swam (J Williams Jr) 5 40 3 80 JarrMtown Benny (F Gerry, Jr) 5 80 Time 2 Also raced Renny Hanover. Commander Henry, Faithful Hal. Maine Topic Northern-aire Scratched Dale Spang'er, Chiefs Boy.

Also raced Fairy Widow, Ma Flyer, Miss (eo Chief, Captain Adamover, Fort Defiance, Colonel Direct. Scratched Coast Commander, Hastukl, Horse Racing In Las Vegas LAS VEDAS Thunderbird Downs officials were looking onvard to the third weekend of horse racing after a gala two-day turnout at the Nevada track over the past weekend. A tu'o-day crowd of nearly 12,000 racing fans bulged the parimutuels to the tune of $198,511 with Sundays mark of $106,680 breaking all records for the young season. For the four days of racing at Thunderbird Downs attendance has topped the 18,000 mark with the total handle at an official $321,680. SIXTH RACE ONE MILE PACE 4 YEAR OLDS AND UP.

CONDITIONED. PURSE $2 000 Georgia Red Sears) ..15 40 7 00 4 00 Piute Queen (J Grenier) 5 00 3 40 War Counsel (J Dennis) 4 20 Time 2 00 Also raced Pole Adios, Champ Frlsro, Trotwood Bob, Rhodes Conklin. No scratches. SEVENTH RACE ONE MILE PACE 3 YEAR OLDS AND UP. CLAIMING.

PURSE $2,800. Quick Jo (J Cruise) 5 20 3 60 2 80 Brother Bob (W Mrllmurray ,,..6 20 4 Miss Sea Tac 0 Crawford) 4 40 Time 2 03s Also raced Cherokee Tass, Mr. Matt. Scratched Pn Tree Chief. ADVERTISED PRICES EFFECTIVE 7 FULL DAYS THURS.THRU OCTOBER 17-23 EIGHTH RACE ONE MILE PACE.

3 YEAR OLDS AND UP CONDITIONED. THE EL CAJON PURSE $3 000 Star Gem 6 Wheeler) ....5 60 3 60 2 80 Federalist IH McIntosh) .......5 80 3 40 Stormy Dream (J Cruise) 320 Time 1 58' STORE LOCATIONS: SOUTH GARIY AT SIXTH NORTH GAREY AT ALVARADO OPEN 8 TO 9 DAILY FRIDAY 9 TO 10 Also raced Pioneer PMct Shadydale Monitor Bar Time Dale Yankee Tardios. Scratched lewis Hanover, Don Amigo. INDIAN HILL AT FOOTHILL CLAREMONT STORE HOURS 9-9 DAILY FRIDAY 9 TO 10 NINTH RACE ONE MILE PACE 3 YEAR OLDS AND UP. CONDITIONED.

PURSE $1 800. Hastl Bob (C Jacob) ..61 40 23 00 4 80 McOamel 0 Boy (G hars) 20 20 12 20 Hobby Record (H Wilson) ...740 Time 2 02 Also raced The Black Widow Mountain Mack, Rhapsody In Blue Emma Tass, Honext 0 Atta Boy Scratched Granger's Pride, Shatter Brooke Yankee Crown EC Water Polo Tilt Friday WALNUT Coach John Stoncbraker will take his Mt. San Antonio water polo team to Chaffey for its second Eastern Conference water polo match of the season Friday. The Mounties lost their opener to Riverside, 13-11, in the Mt. San Antonio pool.

The Mounties took an early lead but saw a game Riverside team overtake them. The scoring for the Mountaineers was done by Brian Davlin, Peter Stearns and Tim Porter, who had six points, four points, and one point, respectively. 140 N. SAN ANTONIO, ONTARIO SOsGsc? Bugs Fontana Drags FONTANA The Wests outstanding dragsters and driv-ers will compete for $1,800 In cash prizes, including $1,000 winner take all eliminations, Saturday evening at Fontana Raceway. i i.