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IhutlfrmtrlscuExamhtrr 2 1 Thursday, Dee. 3, CCCC Counsel's Flea for Mass to Assist Committee Goes Unanswered by Witness closed party meetings In a public front strikes, was the leadoff such outside teachine at the answer loyalty questions before? a congressional committee on high school. Hill replied that from the west coast to some undisclosed duty elsewhere. Jackson had complained of California Labor School, an as 'un-American activities was up sorted Red front, from the summer of 1946 until late 1950, "petty politics" in the back ground of the transfer. The let tor, stern in note, warned Jack son against "factionalism." Chairman Harold H.

Velde same basis as the previous answers." Toopeekoff, speaking with a ihick Russian accent, gave a series of confusing answers. He said he has not been a member of the party for the past five years, but declined to answer if he was ever a member. He was not a member in 1950, he declared. In succession, he was asked if he was a tartv mem there were. As he understood it, he said, the Communist Party was at that time 1945 a legal party in California and entitled to the same use of a public building as any other political party.

PARTY PRECAUTIONS. After 1945 the party in the and other committee members asked him why he freely stated Mink, a one-time Philadelphia witness. A lank, long-jawed man of 50, he was born in Tonopah, and said he never went beyond the eighth grade. Tavenner read a file showing that Hudson had attended the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in Moscow in 1933, was a member of the American party's central committee in 1936, trade union secretary of the national party in 1938, mem cab driver, was a notorious in In the loyalty oath his Comma nist past and still refused to dis Tarty and Soviet Union seek overthrow of the Government?" "Sir, we are now in the realm of opinions, and again I say I do not wish to be a witness against myself." Velde dismissed Mass with the comment: "Any Intelligent person and you are one who became a member of the Communist Tarty after 1947, after all the exposure of Communist aims by this committee, must be either ignorant or disloyal." After leaving the witness chair. ternational Communist who -nS'v -'of held today by the superior court.

Counsel for the teachers, Abraham Minkus, Serril L. Ger-ber and Harry Shepro, said they would appeal. Judge Joseph W. Vickers held with the schoql board that the teachers should be dismissed for4 unprofessional conduct, evident unfitness for office and refusal to obey the reasonable regula- tions prescribed for the govern-', ment of the public schools. cuss it with the committee.

spent years In Moscow, Berlin and elsewhere. In 1935 he was convicted of espionage. In county was reorganized in part for better security, said Hill. The Again came the refusal to an swer. ber In the years covering 1943 i 4 A a a Hills became members of the Referring to this latter event, ber of the politburo in 1940, Sixteenth Assembly District io ivn, ana reiusea to answer.

He was not a cartv member Did he have any knowledge of Communist activity in the teaching profession? Did he not member of the politburo under its new name of political com in 1942, he testified, but refused branch. He recalled an occasion when two men named Bill Clifford regard it as his duty to talk to answer when asked If hp mittee In 1942, vice president of was ever a Communist or is now a party member, but like Did he know of Communist cells among teachers? Did he know of Communist efforts to cap The court held to be reason-" able the loyalty rule adopted by the board of education last Mass reiterated to reporters that fcis loyalty oath correctly reflected the facts of his case, wise declined to eive the com Tavenncr asked Hudson if this was the duty assignment that Jackson was objecting to. Hudson refused to answer. A paragraph of Hudson's letter to Jackson read: "Under no circumstances is the question of where George (Mink) is at to be raised with any one on the coast." After the witness had refused ture the American Federation the Communist Political Association in 1944 fafter Earl Browder had supposedly abolished the party. Thereafter Tavenner's recital showed that Hudson suffered a mittee his local address.

He wiuuii fuuviuea uiai any em it and that he is no longer a Conv ploye who fails or refuses to and George Edwards, "bodily removed" from a closed meeting an ex-Communist who tried to crash it. This, he said, was after late 1947 when the party began to take extraordinary security precautions. Hill said he was able to be definite about the names he offered, however, "to write it down and give it to the commit munist. answer under oath such ques He said his. refusal to testify tee secretly." -Jpii i i decline from the central seat of party power.

In 1946 he was dis was based in part on ms un The hearings will resume at willingness to name persons he tions "shall be guilty of insubor-dination and shall be dis-''' Judge Vickers said the rule la reasonable, since it is based on trict secretary at Pittsburgh, 9:30 o'clock this morning. 1 to say whether the signatures on this and another letter were knew in the party, partly on an in 1948 chairman of the gave the committee because he was membership chairman at L. A. COURT BACKS his, Representative Moulder antipathy for the Velde com mittee. western Pennsylvania district.

asked him if he had a type the time. In 1950 he was sent to the west A reporter pointed out to him a finding that "there exists a5 worldwide revolutionary move- ment to establish a totalitarian rr" But when Hill would say oc writer in 1934. Hudson refused to answer. Moulder observed coast to become labor coordinator but never functioned be that, by taking the Fifth Amend casionally that he "believed" so and-so was a Communist, Chair TEACHER FIRINGS LOS ANGELES, Dec. 2.

(AP) The right of the Los Angeles city school board to fire three teachers for refusal to that he could not see how owner cause of "internal disputes," ment route, he had put himself in the position of refusing to dictatorship based upon force-1 and power rather than on the ship of a typewriter in 1934 man Velde would order the name stricken unless the wit ROY HUDSON Reluctant Appearance San Francisco Examiner Photo, and his former wife have chil dren 8, 13 and 18 years old. law." deny that he is presently a Com munist. could be incriminating. With a' faint smile, and refer ness could offer more substan Mas3 smiled wryly. He said he ring obviously to the famous tial evidence.

was fearful that by answering typewriter in the Hiss case, Hill recalled a couple named Away from the hearing Hill such questions he would "sud Gene and Jean "Lein or Lien," said the FBI. came to him and of Teachers? AH these Mass refused to answer. Tavenncr, his voice kind and dispassionate, said he meant no reflection on the American Federation of Teachers. He said that body had shaken off the Communist efforts to dominate it. "Won't you help us?" he pleaded directly to Mass.

"Again I choose not to be a witness against myself," came the Jow-voiced reply. Committee members took over the questioning. Was the statement Mass made on his loyalty declaration under oath true? Had he been a Communist since the autumn of 1949, when he said on the loyalty statement he had quit? Was he a Communist today? Mass steadily declined to answer. OATH CfTED. Representative Moulder of Missouri asked his present occupation.

"I am employed still I think at the City College of San Francisco." Representative Clyde Doyle of denly waive my rights under the and said of the husband: Hudson retorted: "I've read about them bringing in typewriters on other people. Same answer." said Tavenner. "There has been Information come to the committee indirectly," said Tavenner, "that some time after 1948, due to internal fights of the party, you have been more or less put on the shelf. I want to give you the opportunity to declare yourself publicly and state whether you still declare your allegiance to the Communist Hudson listened without ex Fifth Amendment." his wife in 1944 and asked them to join the party. Hill said it was a complete surprise since they had never contemplated such a SA3IE ANSWER.

step. Tavenner recalled testimony "I don't want to degrade myself by being a stool-pigeon," lie said. ''What I nave to say couldn't add to things one way or another. To be perfectly frank, I feel they're scraping the bottom of the barrel." "He had something to do with a laboratory at the University of California, He worked at the atomic laboratory, I was told by a Communist functionary." "Who was the functionary?" "Katrina Manley." (At the University of Callfor before the committee by Whit He said after long thought they decided to do as asked. He never learned why the FBI chose taker Chambers, chief witness against Hiss, to the effect that him and Mrs.

Hill, he said, un Chambers knew Hudson when the latter was a maritime organizer for the party in New less" it was the fact that they lived in an area where there Mass said he did not know nia, a spokesman said no person pression, conferred briefly with Attorney George Andersen, then announced that in his 6pinion the question was too complicated to answer. LETTER PRODUCED. great pre-christmas sale! 60 gauge, 12 denier nylons in proportioned lengths whether he still had a teaching were many Communists. York. by that name ever had been em' First disclousure that he had ob.

CASE TO BE STUDIED. ir r.i -f et Jit rv lit in A VJ' 1 ployed at the radiation Chambers in his testimony recited that a Hungarian girl who been an FBI undercover worker Tavenner put it directly. Superintendent Clish immedi' lived in Hudson house and DUCLOS LETTER. came last spring when his ror-mer wife testified at the Penn ately sent Mass a special deliv. worked for the Government "Are you now a functioning member of the Communist After the French Communist sylvania trial of Steve Nelson, ery letter by registered mail directing him to stay away from sometimes drove Chambers and J.

Peters, the spymaster, from Jacques Duclos published the California pointed out that Mass Party?" former Alameda County or ganizer for the party. had written, on the back of his New York to Washington. Did famous letter that knocked Earl Browder from the top of the loyalty oath, a statement that Hill said they made their first Hudson now recall any of that? "I stand on the Fifth Amendment and refuse to answer on grounds of possible self-incrimination." American Communist hierachy, to the best of his knowledge contact with the party by writ the Duclos letter with its new ing to its county headquarters while a member of the Communist Party he had not advocated party line" was discussed at a That set the pattern for all for literature. Instead of mail the overthrow of the Govern subsequent answers. ing it the party sent two work meeting in San Francisco, said Hill.

regularly 1.65 Tavenner produced a photo Among those who spoke, he stat of a letter signed "Frater "same answer, said Hudson. The witness did say that he had worked most recently as a house painter, but has been unemployed for two years. When Tavenner tried to find out how many years he has been a painter, Hudson again took refuge in the Fifth Amendment. Chairman Velde put the final nally yours, Hudson," and ad his classrooms. Clish said he will ask the Board of Education to meet in special session within the next few days to discuss the case.

"I'm disappointed he did not see fit to answer the questions," Clish added. Meanwhile Hill, a large and bespectacled man, had moved into, the witness chair to tell of his years as an FBI undercover agent. Hill lives in the Montclair district of Oakland. He declined to disclose his home address, but said his radio repair shop is at 6127 LaSalle Street. Oakland.

He said, were William Schneider-man, State party chairman, and dressed to Harry Jackson, an old waterfront leader of the ers to their bouse named Ka-trina Manley and Marie Phillips, Hill said. "We were taken to several meetings," recalled Hill. "I would say that two or three were at the Oakland Technical High School. There was also a meeting at the Oakland Auditorium." Committee Counsel Robert L. party.

It was dated February ment. "If you believed that," said Doyle, not unkindly, "why don't you come clean and tell us what you do know about the Communist Party?" Mass, his expression troubled, conferred with Speiser before again refusing to answer. "Can you answer," said Moulder "whether your opinion now is that the Communist Aubrey Grossman, labor lawyer and official of the Civil Rights Congress, an asserted Red front. neutral beige smoky taupe (mail and phone orders filled on six pairs or more) remember: all our hosiery is guaranteed our alone 8, 1934 the year of the general strike here. question to him: In it Hudson took Jackson to Hudson, the shadowy Commu task because the latter had ob nist figure who was credited "Have you ever participated in an espionage plot against the United States?" I "I refuse to answer on the jected to the transfer of a with major background roles in Kunzig asked if there were roanv of San Francisco's water- Communist named George Mink shop h.

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