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THE EXAMINEE, SAK tfKANC.KsCOr SATURDAY MORNING, NOVEMBER 2, 1895. 8 WHAT HE TOLD see me. I was not in end she was referred to my associate in the case. Assistant District Attorney Pelxotto. She sought advice.

She had, she said, been a visitor to the defendant while he was a prisoner in the County Jail. As a result of the conver. satlons she had held with the defendant be bad desired her to be a witness In his behalf She told Mr. Pelxotto this, and asked hlni if she would, violate any of the criminal statutes in so doing. The subject matter of her conversations with the defendant or of her proposed testimony she did not stata'.

Mr. Pelxotto reported this to me. Subsequently, about October 8th, I sent for Misa Cunningham. In that interview I laid be fore her what I considered to be her duty In the premises. I told her that under no circumstances, any private arrangement to the contrary notwithstanding, could she afford, nor could I permit her, to retain any personal information relating to this case which was necessary to the Interests of justice.

As a result of this interview, most reluctantly. Miss Cunningham furnished me with the information upon which I cross-examined Durrant and in support of which I placed Miss Cunningham upon stand. For her action In this matter Miss Cunningham is entitled to tbe thanks of the community. She has assisted the cause of justice, and what she did she bas done at my solicitation and by my advice, and I cheerfully accept the responsibility for it. WILLIAM S.

BARNES. District Attorney. SHE HAD NO ALTERNATIVES. tell that story I go on the witness stand." Then be asked: "If the prosecution puts you on the stand and asks you about that story, what are you going to do?" will' tell the truth," I replied: If you sdmit that you know anything about that story," be said, "you will put me in a very bad box. Suppose they spring any of thoBe questions about the story at me, what will I do?" "Tell the truth," I said.

"If we both tell the truth we will not get into any trouble." "I guess we will both be In a pretty tad fix." he said. "This is a case where you can't defy the authorities the law as you did In the Leak matter. If they question you, you win have to give up." He was greatly worried and'he talked in a disjointed way on a good many subjects. We mentioned Blanche Lamont, and when I asked him once more whether Blanche Lamont was dead or being strangled when he saw her on the second landing, he broke down again and cried, as before: "Don't! Tears came Into his eyes and for a time be was unable to speak. Recovering himself he said: "You make me feel so peculiar when you touch on that point.

I feel as if I must tell you everything and I'm afraid I'll tell you things I should not." That was the last time I conversed with Theodore Durrant. I called at tbe jail the have gone down to where George King wa: Is It logical to suppose that I would? I bad an appointment with him to carry the organ down to ths Sunday-school room. If I had murdered Blanche Lamont. would I not have remained hidden In somr out-of-the-way corner of the church untl It was dark and then slipped out?" Then he cautioned me not to publish what he had told He said I did not have half the story. As soon as I left the Jail I wrote out the Interview and that bight locked it In my desk at home.

Nothing was said about this incident en the following night. My visit to the Jail was a short one and the subject was not discussed. As the telling of the story was voluntary on Durrant's part I deemed it unwise to question him. September 10th, the prisoner was eager to talk of the story. He went over what he had told me before, adding: "When I came down from the belfry by the back way I found the door to the study open.

The back window was also open." He was not inclined to enter into further particulars that night, nor was the subjeci mentioned by either Durrant or myself during the two succeeding days. September 22dIt was on this evening that Theodore Durrant told me of his promise to the men who murdered Blanche Lamont. It was on this evening that he showed me the envelope purporting to contain his statement. It was on this'evening that he asked me to testify to his statement concerning the murder of Blanche Lamont. "Why did you make such a promise to the murderers of Blanche Lamont?" I asked.

"I don't he answered. "They threatened me In every way. They threatened to take my life. Then they begged and pleaded with me. They even threatened violence to my loved one to my mother.

They said they would make way with her would spirit her away. I could not stand any threats against her. I gave in. -I vowed I would never reveal the identity of the murderers of Blanche Lamont." "Don't you think that. Is foolish, quixotic?" I asked.

"Every man's life is his own, and why. If some one else committed this murder, should you suffer?" "I know," he saldr "but some way they bad a peculiar influence over me. It was the" Murderer of Blanche Lamont. Durrant Said He Saw Blanche Lamont Murdered on the Second Landing. St07 of the Prisoner'! Effort to Make the Reporter a Witness on His Behalf THE TALE OF PHANTOM MURDERERS.

On Hit Honor, Staled by Oath. He Could Not Reveal the Identity of the Men Who Did the Deed. When Theodore Durrant was on the witness atand be disclaimed all knowledge of the story that I afterwards related in my sworn testimony before the same court. He said It was a story based on rumors that I had picked up at the Mission. This assertion by Theodore Durrant was untrue.

That story was told to me by Durrant in the County Jail between the 17th of September and the 5th of October. It was, he said, a correct account of what happened in Emmanuel Church on the afternoon of April 3d. It was the story written by himself In the City Prison a few days after his arrest a statement and a defense that he had not yet submitted to his attorneys. His reason for withholding this statement, he told me, was because the murderers of Blanche Lamont had exacted an oath from him never to reveal their identity. He said these men pleaded, threatened his life and resorted to every argument to induce him to promise silence.

They even threatened that they would revenge themselves Upon bis mother that they would spirit her away if he did not consent to shield them by his silence. These men exerted an overpowering influence upon him, he declared, and he was compelled to do their bidding. His oath, he told me, was so solemn and his sense of obligation so strong that he would rather suffer unjustly than betray the perpetrators of the crime. He said I was the only one to whom he had told the story. His parents and his attorneys knew nothing of it.

If he gave up the statement, to his attorneys they would insist on its repetition as testimony before the court. This be could not do unless some one would go upon the witness stand first and tell the story. In that event, he thought, the stigma of betrayal would be removed from him and he would willingly follow and relate to the court and Jury just what happened Just what he saw in Emmanuel Church on the afternoon of April 3d. He produced an ordinary business envelope and told me lt contained a record of what happened In Emmanuel Church on the afternoon of April 3d. When I suggested that I might testify to what be had told me he was eager to have me do eo.

He asked me to promise that I would act on my suggestion, I promised. After that we went over the story a' number of times, Substantially It is as follows: "While I was fixing the sunburners of Emmanuel Church," said Durrant, as he is reported in my notes taken in his presence, "I heard a noise. I followed the sound to the belfry and ascertained that Blanche Lamont was murdered on the second landing. I encountered the murderers, promised never to reveal what I had discovered and rushed down stairs to George King. I had an appointment with King and I feared that lie might go searching around the church for me.

I was much disturbed over what I had seen and I felt nauseated, but I did not send King for bromo-sellzer because I wanted the medicine. I sent him out of the church in order to give the guilty men a chance to escape." This is the substance of the story that Theodore Durrant wanted me to tell in his behalf on the witness stami. When I first met Durrant I could not bring myself to believe that he was guilty. He is courteous In manner and has a soft, mild voice. There is nothing in his demeanor that indicates brutality.

I knew that circumstantial evidence was strong against him. I knew that popular prejudice was decidedly against bim, but I resolved to withhold my personal judgment. Before I ceased visiting him my belief in his innocence was shaken. Theodore Durrant broke down twice when I asked him a pertinent question regarding the murder of Blanche Lamont, and once he aurprlsed me by asking: "Do you think I'd stand a better chance If I'd plead guilty and let my attorneys go?" I will give the detailed account of my story according to dates as I gave it to District Attorney Barnes and Captain Lees. When I quote Theodore Durrant I will give the exact words that he used.

My first meeting with Durrant was on the 18th of August. From that time until the 8th of October I visited him almost every day. I was detailed by the paper with which I was connected at that time to look after the Durrant case and these visits to the jail were part of my duty. During the early days of my acquaintance with the prisoner I agreed not to quote him in the paper or publish anything he told me without his permission. This arrangement was perfectly satisfactory to the city editor of my paper.

Durrant talked unreservedly to me about the case. At times he would talk out right for publication and again he would insist that I should reserve stories for days. September 17th, as I was leaving the local room of the newspaper on my way to the that evening the reporter who was working with me on the case called out: "Suppose you ask Durrant if he heard any noise when he was up between the ceilings fixing the sunburners. I don't suppose he did, but you might ask him." I had a little chat with the prisoner and was about to leave when I thought of the question that had been suggested to me. So I said: "On the afternoon of April 3d, while you were repairing the sunburners in Emmana el Church, did you hear any unusual noise? "Yes," he replied slowly, nodding his head, "and I saw something, too." "Where?" I asked.

in tne Deury," ne said. "What I saw In the belfry I will never forget as long as I live." Then he told of his meeting with George King. "Do you suppose," be continued, "if I tad murdered Blanche Lamont that I would Assistant District Attorney Pelxotto Corroborates Misa Cunningham. Since the trial of Theodore Durrant ended and a verdict is recorded which I firmly and sincerely believe will stand for all time, I feel privileged to state the true history concerning the testimony of Miss Carrie Cunningham, about which there has been such widespread discussion, much of which reflects on that young lady. I do this unsolicited and in justice to the young ladyj who reluctantly was forced into a position I know was unpleasant to herself.

Miss Cunningham had been a visitor at the office of the District Attorney and at our office in the Crocker building almost dally. as were many other reporters in search of something new in tbe Durrant case. We became pleasantly acquainted and it was not uncommon for our conversation to branch upon current' topics. On one occasion, in the latter part of September, Miss Cunningham requested of me some advice as to whether some action of hers would lay her liable to criminal proceedings. I told her I was glad to advise with her and she thereupon expressed a desire to know whether there would be any harm in her testifying for the defense in the Durrant case as to conversations had with the defendant.

The nature of the conversations Miss Cunningham refused to disclose, but I became convinced from the fact that she was a constant visitor to Durrant that the conversations with tbe defendant might become important testimony. I advised Miss Cunningham that she committed no wrong in listening to what tbe defendant bad to say or in repeating as testimony on bis behalf what be actually did say. But as to whether It would be competent and legal evidence in his behalf I distinctly refused to state. I reported this conversation to Mr. Barnes and decided (to allow the matter to rest for a time, and subsequently Miss Cunningham was brought before Mr, Barnes and Captain Lees and there questioned.

What occurred then Mr. Barnes can best state. Certainly Miss Cunningham did not disclose anything confided to her until it was procured through process of law, when she had no alternative but to tell what had been told to her. If the defendant's counsel bad wished, the entire matter could have been brought out by the cross-examination of Miss Cunningham. Of course the whole truth would have been very damaging, and It was therefore allowed to slumber and Miss Cunningham left the rack with her mouth sealed.

Her conduct, to my mind, has been consistent and unblameable. She unwittingly received information from the defendant which he conceived for his use. Her Information was discovered. It was for her to tell the truth or tell a falsehood. As a truthful woman she told what was so, and again was Theodore Durrant caught by the two-edged tool of his own fabrications.

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He knew that I had not betrayed him. He knew when we dis cussed the situation that I Bald I would tell the truth, and advised him to do the same. He knew all this, yet, because it did not. for some suit his convenience or serve tbe purpose of the defense that be should tell the story he wanted me to tell in his behalf, he turns on me the defense turns on. me, and cries, "traitor." I promised Theodore would not publish that story in the newspaper.

The def endant and the attorneys took advantage of me on that promise. They made scathing and unjust comments in the daily press. They felt safe in doing this. Although they were denouncing me for treachery, they had sufficient faith in my honor to believe that I would not reveal at a critical stage of the. case the story they were so anxious to have withheld.

They knew I would not publish the story and they were safn in abusing me. I have never been nor am I now, in the employ of Captain Lees or any member of the police or detective department. I am not nor have I at any time been in the employ of the District Attorney or any one connected with his office. In his argument General Dickinson asked why, if I had that statement in my hand I did not appropriate it or inform tbe police and have Durrant's cell searched? I answer because I was not In the employ of the prosecution. General Dickinson has attempted to make a point of the.

assertion that I once sent Durrant. a bunch of flowers; that I furnished him with papers, and that gave him Why did he make no reference to the books, magaiine and candy Durrant says the other young women reporters of the city convey to him? Why should he single me out when the others have been as. generous? Whatever I did for Durrant I did to lessen the tedium of his imprisonment. He told me the days were long and the time hung heavy on his hands. Few of his friends called on him and be only saw the papers occasionally.

He said he was eager to read everything about the case and it was difficult for him to keep in touch with all that was going on when he did not see the papers. I sent them to him as I would send them to any one similarly situated. He told me of his garden at home and how he loved flowers and said it would brighten up his cell it he had some. I sent him one bunch of roses that he never received. The jailer withheld them and told me that the prisoners w'ere not allowed to receive flowers.

Yes, I gave him chewing-gum. Durrant told me once that chewing-gum was one of bis few vices. I thought it a hamless one and humored him. I did no more for that prisoner than any other person in my position would have done. I did not urge him to make a conr fldent of me.

Whatever he told me he told of his own tree will. I never expressed deep friendship for the man, as has been published, and I never In any way "senti-mentallzed" over him. We met as ordinary acquaintances nothing more. He did not tell me the story of the statement because of any intimate friendship, but because he thought he could use me advantageously in his defense. I told Theodore Durrant that If the time ever came when it would be necessary for me to publish this story I would send him word before I did so.

He was notified last night that the story would appear this morning. I am in no way responsible for being a witness tor the prosecution. I have kept faith with Durrani to the present time.Now In justice to myself, for the sake of my good name and that of tbe family to which I belong, I publish this story to set myself right before tbe public, and it is not my purpose to denounce Theodore Durrant or to censure his attorney, General Dickinson, notwithstanding their criticisms of myself in the newspapers. As far as General Dickinson is concerned, that would indeed be presumption on my part. CARRIE CUNNINGHAM.

ASSUMES RESPONSIBILITY. District Attorney Barnes Approves and Juatlflrs Misa Conning; ham. I am glad to take this earliest opportu nity of expressing tbe consideration I feel for Miss Carrie Cunningham of "The and my regret that she has even for a moment been placed in what might be by some considered to be a false position In the case of The People vs. Durrant. Of course, Miss.

Cunningham's veracity cannot be called In question. She was one of the witnesses tor the people, one of those upon whose testimony the jury passed and uptm which they formulated their verdict in the case. That is now a matter of history. Individually I can say this of Miss Cunningham: About 23d Miss Cunningham called at the District Attorney's office to Away from town? and want engraving done Tell us. Wo don't charge unless we satisfy you.

227 Tost street 215 Bubb. street II Crocker Co ilk bpeii. I never experienced anything i like it before. No, it was not hypnotism I don't believe In hypnotism. But I pever experienced anything like it.

Why, do you know, from the afternoon of April. 3d until the day I was arrested I like one In a dream. I did not realize what I was about I did not know what I was doing." Then he excused himself, went to the back part of his cell and in a few minutes returned with an envelope. "See," be said, holding the envelope up to the wicket, "this is the statement I made of the story I have just been telling Do you remember Just after my arrest and while I was la the City Prison I was writing steadily for a d'ay or so? Every one wanted to know what I was writing, but I refused to tell them. Well," he added.

shaking the "I was writing this. This envelope contains the statement of the story ou have just beard. You are the only one besides myself and the parties con-cerned who knows the story. I have told neither my parents nor my Should I tell my attorneys they would insist on my telling he whole thing on the stand', and that Lcould not devf v-SaL All this time I was keeping an eye on the envelope, It, ordinary white business envelope and was altogether too small for the amount of papef that was crowded Into "Would you like to see bow It is ad dressed?" he asked. -I nodded and he handed' the envelope to me.

When Theodore, Durrant swore on the witness-stand that he bever had such an envelope in his possession on the evening of September 22d and that he did not show it to me be told what was untrue. I not only saw that envelope and studied the writing on it, but I bad it in my hand for about five, minutes. The envelope was adi- dressed in this way: ''General Dickinson and Eugene Deuprey, Attorneys for the Defense. "To be opened in case I am convicted. "To be returned to me unopened if I am acquitted." I made some remark about the handwriting.

Durrant volunteered the information that he could write four or five different ways. He went to the back part of the cell, brought out some paper and on it wrote several distinct specimens of his handwriting. All this time 1 had the envelope inclosing the statement in my hand. He gave me the specimens to compare with the writing on the envelope. He told me that the statement had not been taken from the envelope since it was sealed at the City Prison.

He said he did not like to give the statement to his attorneys because of his promise to the murderers of Blanche Lamont. If some one else, he said, would tell theetory on the witness stand first it would open up the way for him it would "break the ice." "Suppose I tell the story for you?" I said. "Will you? Will you?" he asked, eagerly. you promise that you will be a witness for me and tell that story to the "Yes," I replied, without considering for moment the seriousness of the proposi tion. "I don't think i d' mina it very mucn.

Then be went on to tell me that the whole thing would have to be arranged with his attorneys. "I'm going to take your advice and give this statement to my attorneys," ha con' tinued. "But, don't you see, they will be furious If they find out I told you about the statement first; in fact, that I toid it to you at all. I will tell you what to do. As soon as I give them the statement go to them and tell them you picked this story up at the Mission.

Tell them there is such a rumor Dying around, and it the defendant needs some one to tell the story for him on the stand that you are perfectly willing to do It." I promptly refused to follow this course of action. I told Durrant I would not go to cither General Dickinson or Mr. Deu prey and tell them the story he told me was a rumor I had heard at the Mission told him if he wished bis lawyers informed that I knew the story he would have to tell them himself. We talked a little while longer about the statement, and then I said "This is a great newspaper story?" "Don't it," be said, "will you?" "Not unless you consent," I replied, which was in accordance with our agree ment. "Promise me," he said.

I replied "I promise you not to publish that story in the paper." He asked me to raise my hand up, and as I did so, saying, "Don't you trust we both laughed. Theodore Durrant wanted that story pub Theodore (Sketched from a lished in the papers. He wanted it published to the whole world, but he did not want it to come out Its publication at that time, before his lawyers even knew of its existence, would have been' premature. As I was leaving he referred to the subject again, saying: "Don't publish "that story now; it's too soon, it woulun do. 4 I replied: will nof jut in' the paper now.

1 told you that. if tne time ever comes that I have to publish, the story I will let you know before It comes out." September 23d. Almost the first thing the prisoner said to me that evening was that be had transferred his statement from the small envelope to a larger one. 'See," he said, holding an envelope up to the wicket. "That looks better, doesn't it? I decided to give the statement to my lawyers, and as it has been in the small en velope, so long it was all crumpled up, so I straightened It out as well as I and put it In this one.

Want to see it? It is addressed. the same." With that he handed me the envelope. I took it In my hand and saw that the inscription and address were identical with those on the small envelope. After I had promised Theodore Durrant to take the witness stand for him and tell his story, I realized (hat I had been a trifle injudicious. I began to wonder if I would become involved, and fearing everything might not be right I went to Mr.

Piexotto, the Assistant District Attorney, for advice. As near as I can recollect it was on the afternoon of September 23d. I did not tell Mr. Piexotto about the statement of Durrant nor the story he had told me. I merely asked blm if I would get into trouble if the defendant should tell me anything with a view of my being a witness for him.

I asked if I could be a witness for Theodore Durrant. Mr. Piexotto would not tell me whether I could be a witness or not. He said there was nothing to prevent the de fendant telling me things If he wanted to. He advised me to be careful.

He advised me for my own protection to register every time I went to the Jail, and to take notes of all the interviews I had with the accused. September 24th The attorneys for the. defence received the statement to-day. This Durrant told me as soon as I met him. I asked if they had opened it.

"Yes," he replied, "but they were not surprised very They suspected the parties I nsmed and have been working on that line for some October 1st. Durrant was anxious that I should know all the particulars of the story we were both to tell, so be related how he traced the noise that he heard while be was fixing the sunburner. He said he walked along the belfry on the top of the first celling. The plastering bad fallen oft In many places and by peering through the opon spaces he could look down on the second landing. "I saw her on the second landing," he said.

"Who?" 1 asked. "Blanche Lamontr' "Yes," he replied. "I saw her on the second landing. She was murdered on ths second landing." I asked him' It he had toM his attorneys that I knew the story and it everything had been arranged for me to testify in his be-. half.

I told him thst neither. General Dickinson nor Mr. Deuprey had spoken to sne on the subject. "Why don't you go to them and ask them about It yourself?" be said. "I think that would be the better way.

Then they would see that you art perfectly willing to tell the story on the witness stand, and that you are neither being persuaded nor forced Into doing It. But when you go he added, "be sure you tel them you first beard the story as a rumor It would never do for inem Go know I told you that story. They are always cautioning me not to talk to you about the case. I don't know what they would do to me If they should find out that I told you about mjr written statement." i by Taber.) spots on "the "picture frame have been ana lyzed, and It has been shown that they were made by water." "When you looked onto the second land I said, "was Blanche Lamont dead or Was she being strangled?" 'Don't! 'don't!" he gasped, and his face becaihe distorted with agony. "Oh, I can't say I can't answer don't! His head fell forward oti his breast and he slipped' away frem-Wie wicket lnte a corner the cell.

AH was dark in the little apart men His 4amp had- not been lighted. 1 He remained in the corner about five minutes. seemed longer to me as I waited, standing on the little stool outside the big, black, iron door. I thought he would not come back again, but he did. He was shaking as chilled.

His face was drawn, tears streamed, down his cheeks, and the rims of his eyelids were fiery red. He gave me an appealing look, and then he withdrew again Into the darkness. After a while he came back, and, trembling, leaned his arm against the wicket for support. 'I'm sorry I made you feel so bad," I said. He nodded his head and for a time could not reply.

"I can't talk of her," he said finally, Please don't ask me anything about it." He choked up again, covered his face with his bands and withdrew from tbe wicket. When he returned he was more calm. 'One thing I cannot endure," he said, "Is talk of her. I thought so much of her. No, not in any way save that of a friend, but feeling as I do I cannot talk about it.

Her death affected me as much as would that cf my own sister. They talk about my being cold callous, the newspapers call It They say I have no feeling, but they do not know. No one knows what I suffer in court. Why, when her name is mentioned I can hardly keep up. It seems to me sometimee.

as it I should scream But it would not do cry to give-way in public. But there are places in which one can give vent to one's emotions." October 8th. I did not know until that afternoon that I was to be a witness for the prosecution. I did not know until that even tng that I was not to be a witness for the defense. At the noon recess Mr.

Barnes and Cap tain Lees told me the prosecution 'wished me to tuake a statement of my conversa Hons with Theodore Durrant at tbe County Jail: I was told to "bring all the notes 1 had of my interviews with the prisoner, Durrant was going on the stand the next day. The prosecution thought tbat I must have ascertained something about the prisoner during my daily visits to the jail, and they wanted to compare his state ments to me with those he would make in court: -If you have ever been in possession Of Information' that the officials are anxious to obtain, you know how useless it Is to' resist quotations from the penal code, how useless it is to resist the author ity of the law. I naturally felt a great re luctance about revealing anything Dur rant had told me, but on the other band I did not want to be accused of being in league with this man. I was told that my evidence' would, In all probability, have a direct bearing on tbe case. So I gave up told the story of tbe statement as Dur rant had told it to me.

I told Mr. Barnes tbat the defendant had told'me I was to be a witness and that Durrant would not tell that story In court until I hsd recited It. I made my statement te District Attorney Barnes andCaptaln Lees In Mr. Barnes office in the Crocker building. After I made my statement I went to the jail.

One of the first things the prisoner. Said to me was: "I have beard on very good authority that you are going to be called as a witness by the prosecution." "Yes," I replied, "it is very likely I will be." "You are not to be a witness for the de fense," be said. "You will not be called on to tell that story of the statement, as has been decided not to use it. I will not photograph taken atpreuly for The Examiner I again refused to tell his attorneys that the story was a "I don't thlnk is my place," I said, "to mention, the subject to' your attorneys at all. It would be presumptuous, and -a rather strange proceeding on my part to go to your couns'e land offer myself as a witness." MilSfeiH "Well," you feel that way about it leave" It toijjfi'l and I will arrange everything satlsfidtbrlly.

I want you to do that for me. am sure I can tlx the thing up all General Dickinson and Mr. i I know the entire story?" I asked. "Do I 1c now everything that -happened In Emmanuel Church on the afternoon of April 3d?" 7 "Yes." ha replied, WYou know-, everything but tbe names of tbe murderers and a few details." don't you tell me the rest' the details and the names?" I asked. "Because," he replied, "it would not be wise.

Why, If I should tell you the rest the names you never would be able to keep the information to yourself. The weight of such a secret would be too much for you. The details are Immaterial. it wouldn't take but five minutes for me tp tell you the details. You, practically, know the story." I interred that he came upon the murderers in the pastor's study as he was making bis way down the back stairs.

We, talked this point over, for some time. When I put the question: y. "Did you see any one Jn the study?" he replied: "I am "not going to tell you now who I saw in the study." 1 Then he talked slightingly ef Dr. Gibson "I don't see," he "how Gibson can get up in thatehurch and preach.v-1 couldn't It I were in place. I wouldn't be able to go near the church at all.

But I feel sorry for him. He bas a pretty heavy burden to carry. I don't see how he can go about smiling as-be does; I don't set how he keeps up at all. No wonder be is fidgety; no wonder he Is nervous, I'd be nervous, too, If I was in his placer-it I had as much on my mind as be has." October 3d Durrant talked to me regard ing the decision of his attorneys tp place blm on the witness stand. "I dread It," ha "You can't know how much I dread itr There are so.

many things for me to keep track ot I'm afraid I'll get tangled up when it comes to the cross-examination." I told htm not to feel uneasy. "I'll try not to," he said, "and If I keep cool I guess I'll get along all right. I have pretty thoroughly memorized what 1 have to say, and I guess I will get along all right." October 4th. When I arrived at JaU that evening I found Durrant in a highly excited condition. He said one of the reporters had just been talking to him about' the Inefficiency of his lawyers.

"Why, this he said, "had the Impudence to tell me my lawyers would hang me even If the prosecution did not raise its finger against me. Think of it! Comfort ing, isn't it? A pleasant thought, is it not. for a man in my position? He advised me to change my lawyers. How can I change them? What can I do?" and he paced up and down his cell in great agitation. Sud denly he csme close to the wicket and in a low voice said: "What do you think I'd better do-r-4o you think I'd stand a better chance it I'd plead guilty and let my attorneys go?" "Stick to your lawyers," I said.

October 6th My experience with tbeo- dore Durrant on this evening was peculiar. We talked more than usual of Blanche Lamont. He told me how he had looked directly down onto, the second landing, and when I spoke of her blood dripping down on the cloth-covered, picture frame below, the mention of the word 'nIood" seemed to un nerve him. i "There wasn't any Mood; not a bit. There wasn't any Wood at an," said.

"The of It If. to I.