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3 THE WESTERN MAIL, FRIDAY, APRIL 22, 1870. wheu he gets a report that a Welsh examination is uecos-sary When I first came into this diocese, I was 111 tho habit of asking Chancellor Williams to examine candidates; but it soon suggested itself to mo that it was too great a burden aud too great a responsibility to throw upon one individual, however willing he might be to undertake it, and I wrote to Chancellor Williams as early as 1852, in the second year of my episcopate, that I wished to appoint two incumbents always to be associated with him in this matter, one of whom was the Bey. Leigh Morgan. I received a letter from him, dated June 7th, 1802, in which he says, I think yon have done wisely in appointing two additional examiners in the case of the presentation to a Welsh living. It will have greater weight with the public, and bo more likely to silence cavillers." Can any ouc imagine for one moment that Chancellor Williams and two clorgymen one of whom is the Eev.

Leigh Morgan would meot for the purpose of going through a sham, and sending to the Bishop a false statement I cannot for a single moment dwell upon such a thing. I think, therefore, that the editor of the Western Mail must have been under an incorrect impression. I do not charge him iu the slightest degree with that. I do not wish to say that he did not believe what he wrote neither do I think that he was actuated by an unkindly feeling towards the Church but I cannot believe that he was thoroughly acquainted with the facts of the case when he penned those remarks. He says, "It is quite true that ro incumbent entirely ignorant of the Welsh language is appointed to any cure of souls in which a commission reports that Welsh is required." And he says, There are many parishes iu the diocete i Llindnff, the incumbents of which havo ut knowledgo of Welsh, and have no Welsh services in their churches, whilst neighbouring Dissenting chapels are crowded with worshippers who are ministered to in their native tongue." Of course there are many parishes in which the incumbents have no knowledge of the Welsh language.

The questiou is, whether it is necessary under these circumstances. But the position of our diocese is very peculiar indeed, for there are not only two languages, but tho two are mixed up in such various proportions that itis the difficulty possible, and with the, best intentions, that we know how to arrange our services. If you have one in the morning and another iu the evening, you do uot provide a sufficient sujiply for cither party and those who have only one service in the day are sure to go to the Welsh Dissenting meetiug-houses to have their necessities supplied. If you have mixed services you please nobody. There are many parishes in which it may bo desirable to have a elsh clergyman for pastoral purposes, and yet it is not desirable to have the services of the Church performed iu the Welsh language.

It must be left to tho clergyman of the parish, upon the whole, to do what lie thinks iu his owu conscience is most for the benefit of his parishioners, taken as 11 whole. The fact is, that where there are two languages there aro two distiuet congregations, aud there ought to bo two distinct clergymen. It is with great difficulty that we meet this state of tilings, and it is very hard upon us that we should be blamed for that which is uot our owu fault. With regard to the Dissenters, it is a totally different matter. Tho persons who frequent the Welsh Dissenting meeting-houses are all of one class.

The clergyman of the parish is tho clergyman of high and low, rich and poor, aud has to provide for all. I beg pardon for having intruded myself upon you with these remarks, and I am very much obliged to you for listening so patiently. I beg to assure tlic editor of the Western Mail, who I believe is in this room, that it is not with any unkind feeling that I have made these remarks. I thought it due to myself and to the gentlemen who acted with me, that I should vindicate our conduct from this charge. It does not appear to ine expedient that Bishop should enter into a newspaper correspondence, and I thought it better to make these remarks on tho present occasion.

(Applause.) THE OPEN CHURCH QUESTION, Colonel Hill then rose to move the resolution of which he had given notice. He said My Lord Bishop and Eoverend Sirs, It is with no small reluctance that I rise to bring forward a motion which I fear may be in opposition to the long established views, and perhaps dearly 1 -r i-1 La LLANDAFF DIOCESAN CHURCH EXTENSION SOCIETY. The annual meeting of the Llandaff Diocesan Church Extension Society was held yesterday afternoon, in the council chamber, at the- Town-hall, Cardiff, The meeting was largoly attended. The Bishop of the diocese occupied the Amongst those present woro Dean Williams, Archdeacon Blosse, Canon Hawkins, Cauon Morgan, Revs. D.

Howell, C. E. Knight, T. Edmondes, W. David, Evans, V.

Saulez, H. J. Thomas, E. A. Green, W.

Bruce, F. E. HarriB, E. A. Jones, D.

Jenkins, T. Woods, S. Fox, P. Jones, Rico Jono3, Jeuner and Messrs, E. S.

Hill, J. Bird, E. W. David, Mitchell, and J. Watson (the hon.

secretary) The Bishop read a letter from Mr. Howel Gwyu, ex-pressing regret at his inability to attend, and adding, It may be thought desirable in a year or two hence to make another appeal to the public, If so, I shall he prepared cordially to support it." Mr, J. Watson read the following report In reviewing the work of tho past year, tho committee will first alludo to resolution which tho society adopted at its auuuiil meeting iu Eastor, ISfii), wheu thoy woro reminded that tkoir income luul gradually decreased ditt-mg tho four preecdiug years to tho oxtcnt of nearly one-fifth of tho whole, or about 210 per annum. It was this: "That tho utmost e.ortions should bo made to obtain additional annual subscriptions in order to euablo tho society to meet tho increasing demands upon its fuuds and that tho secretary and treasurer bo requested to circulate this resolution, aud to solicit subscriptions." Tho occasion was not favourable for carrying out thra resolution very vigorously. Tho coal and iron trade of the district was at tho timo in a very depressed condition still, assisted by the Archdeacon of Monmouth, the officers of tho sooiety have on-licavoured, as opportunities occurred, to bring tho claims and necessities oE the society under the uotieo of those luudowuurs and employers of labour in the diocoso who woro no: previously subscribers to its fuuds.

Tho result is stated iu detail at the end of this report- suffice it here to observe that tho uow subscriptions amount to 92 5s. and the donations to S0 lis. Oil the other hand it must bo noted, with deep regret, that death has removed during tho past year some of the society's most liberal Bupportorn. The subscription list 1ms suffered a diminution of iOS 12s. from this and auothor cause since it was lastublislicd.

But it is uot alone for the material help which they were ever ready to ofter that the society deplores the loss of such true frionds as tho Baroness Windsor md Lord Dyncvor. Tho stimulus aud encouragement which their cordial sympathy iu tho work of church extension supplied, aud the influence of their example, were elements of support mora last-iuu', if not moro potent, than gold or silver. By them, "thoy, being dead, yet speak" to others who chonsli their memory, and wo nmy hope will imitate their good deeds. Tho sous of tho late Mrs. O.

O. Williams have intimated thoir iutentiOu of coutiuuiug her subscription oE 10 towards tho stipend of the curate of Llautarnam. The committee avail themselves of this opportunity to thank thoso who have responded to their appeal for now subscriptions: aud to inform them that their contributions are already disposed or by anticipation, in grants of 1.0 towards the stipend oE a curate nt i'erudale -10 for a second curate in tho parish oE Iiglwysilau, who ministers to tjlio largo population that has lately sprung up around the chain works at Wuhmt-treo Bridge, and conducts Divine worship in the licensed school-room recently built there by the aid of this society. These, and a grant of 20 to the Incumbent of St. Martin's, Caerphilly, to enable him to retam tlio services of a ourato, are tho ouly uow grants for curates which the committee have been nblo to make iu tho year 1309-70.

When wo remember that this is tho primary object of the society, an object that "rows i'u urgency and importance from year to year as new swarms of iitimigratits collect around our mines and factories, it is indeed deplorable that even the small progress which is inado in furthering has to bo made, in violatiou of tlio common rules of prudence, bv au expenditure in excess of income. To detail the circumstances of nil the districts from which application-! for curates' grants have hud to bo refused for want of funds, would extend this report to au incouyenicut length. The casooE Feriidalc, situated iu the parishes of Ystrudyfodivg and Llnuwonno, may serve to illustrate many of thorn. Iu this district, which has "aitied a painful notoriety by two most destructive colliery explosions, there aro over 200 cottages, whoso occupants, to the number of 1,700 souls, are separated from their parish oliiirohes by several miles of bleak mountain road. Tlio parish of Ystrarty-fodwg is itself a striking example oE the imirtetiuuoy of the Parochial endowments to supply the spiritual wants of a population that increases in such an abnormal ratio, Scattered aliout its hills nud valleys, there tire 14 villnjes; some four, some tin, some even ten miles distant from either the parish church, or that which the trustees of Lord Bato erected with his lordship approval, tit Trohcrbort aud for the cure of the souls of those scattered villagers, whoso number has iucrcased from 1,303 in the year 1851, to upwards of 12,000 at the prosont time, tho incumbent receives a gross income of but 112 per annum.

The following is ti list of grants lor curates which have becu voted during the year 1SC9-70, viz. Towards the stipend of curate at aeweastlo, 10 ko meet 110, from the licclesiaslieal Commissioners Cyfartlifa, 25 to meet 00 Llanwomio, 10 to meet (0; Beaufort, 40 to meet 40; Oakwood, Micluiolstoue-supcr-Avou, -10 to meet 00; Abercnrne, 25 to meet 00; Molincryddan, Neath, 40 to meet 50 Llauvrechfn, 40 to moot 00; Alter-tillerv '10 to meet 50 Ebbw Vnlo, Tredegar, 30 to meet 40 Kew'Pits, Tredegar, 20 to meet 60; Dowlau, 40 to meet 00 Pentrobaoli, 'W to meet 50 Briton Ferry, 30 to meet thereforo I allowed ftn Englishman to be instituted. The other case was that of MichaeistoHe-lo-Vedw, aud in that I insisted that Welsh was necessary, and I refused to pllow the clergyman who was nominated by Colonel Tynte to be instituted. Colonel Tynte appealed to the archbishop, who, in tho first instance, confirmed my rejection of an Englishman. Another gentleman was proposed to mo whom, after examination, 1 felt it to be my duty to reject.

Another appeal was made to the archbishop, and he overruled my decision and ordered that gentleman to be instituted. I wrote to the archbishop, aud said that as it was his grace's determination that Mr. So-and-so should take the place I should not oppose him, but should feel it my duty to submit but that I could assure him, from my own knowledge, that my decision would meet the approbation of tho parishioners in this diocese rather titan his own, It so happened that I was abused very severely at a public meeting in Yorkshire for my conduct in both cases for having conceded my point to the Englishman in tho ono case, and in the other because my conduct was ascribed to somo improper motives. Soon after that I had to hold a visitation, and I thought it right to lay down the principle on which I meant to act in, these very difficult questions. The principle which I laid down in my charge was this.

I remarked The fact of the legislature having empowered a bishop to appoint a curate, wherever he thas reason to believe that the duties of a benefice are not satisfactorily performed, by reason of the insufficient instruction in the Welsh language of the spiritual person serving such benefice, may appear to some persons to point out the line of duty which I ought to have followed with regard to the parish before, alluded to. An anxious consideration of the circumstances convinced me that there were grave objections to the application of this provision to the case iu question. 1. For, in the first place, though this enactment enables the bishop to remedy an evil where it actually exists, it does not appear to me that it wonld justify him in creating one. That a clergyman should be ignorant of the colloquial language of a great proportion of the inhabitants of his, parish, is, I think, wrong in principle, and therefore not to be allowed where it can possibly be prevented, 2.

The application of this enuctiueut to, such cases is, moreover, calculated to degrade the Welsh clergy, and to deprive them of the motives for intellectual and professional improvement which are enjoyed by others. If the better preferments of this poor diocese are withholden from them, they must necessarily continue in a depressed condition. But if they receive the rewards of their services, which they aro fairly entitled to, and which the language of certain portions of it, so long as it lasts, gives them an exclusive claim to, they will have the same inducements as the English clergy to bear the oxpeuse of a liberal education, and thereby to qualify themselves for their sacred calling. 3, And lastly, the adoption of this course tends to foment national prejudice, and to keep up tho feeling before alluded to, that the Church of England is au uuti-national Church the Church of the rich aud not of the poor, No doubt much more lias beeu said than circumstances have warranted, respecting the degree in. which the English language has been adopted in the services of Welsh parishes.

But it is equally certain that the want of Welsh services has beeu, and still continues to be, ono of the concurrent causes of Dissent iu Wales. The people are, I trust, not irrecoverably lost. But if we aro to regain their affections, the laws of the Church must be so administered as to make them feel that they are considered, and that it is intended for their benefit." I made particular allusion to Dr. Nicltoll, who was concerned in drawing up that Act. Dean Williams Dr.

Kicholl told me that he drew up that particular clause. The Bishop continued; Dr. Nicholl was strongly of opinion that it was more for tho benefit of the Welsh Church that an Englishman should be appointed to the incumbency, and that he should have a Welsh curate, than that the Bishop Bhonld insist upon having a Welsh incumbent. I took a different view of the subject, and expressed tho views which I have just read. Those' are the principles I laid down' in the year 1851 as the guide of my own conduct with regard to this very important matter, and I think I may venture to say that, as far a3 I know, I have endeavoured to carry out those principles faithfully and conscientiously.

(Hear, hear.) It is very singular fact that a case has just arisen at Ebbw Vale, which, under very peculiar circumstances, I have made up my mind to deviate from the principle. I should, perhaps, be taking up your time too long if I were to enter into a statement of those peculiar circumstances, but my object iu alluding to them now is to obviate any objections which may be taken byand-by, when it is found that I have determined to appoint an Englishman, who has been curate there for some years, to tho incumbency of Ebbw Vale. I am satisfied that I shall be doing right in the step I am about to take. If there be any truth in those observations in the Western Mail it seems to mo that it in-volves one of four considerations. Either that the bishop in such cases must shut his eyes to existing facts, or, if he does not and issues a commission, he must designedly pack that commission for the purpose of getting such a report as he wishes to have; or, thirdly, if the bishop has acted with the utmost fairness, then the commissioners must be dishonest and unfair, and, acting under the influence of prejudice, may make a report inconsistent with tho fact3 or, fourthly, if the bishop receives a report consistent with the facts and acts accordingly, then the examiners must act unfairly and report that a clergyman is fit when he is notoriously unfit.

1 take it that if this statement is correct with regard to what is going on, then one of. these four things must of necessity take place. Well, in the first place, does the bishop shut his eyes to the facts of the cases r1 Let me mention two or three instances which havo tuken place within tho last few years, Genera! Stuart wrote to mo in reference to the incumbency of Landough, and wished to know if I could institute an Englishman or not. My answer to General Stuart, as the' representative of Lord Bute, was, "I do not at all prejudge the question but if you present me an English clergyman, I shall feel it to bo my duty to appoint a'commission of inquiry into the state of the parish." A commission was appointed there aro some of the gentlemen present at this moment who acted upou that commission and they reported to me that it was unnecessary to have a Welsh clergyman, and I nominated the respected incumbent of Llandough, the Rev. H.

H. Kicknrds. Let me mention another case. Mr. Edward Romilly wrote to me in reference to a vacancy in the living of Porthkerry, stating that he wished to present a connection of his, named Allen, Now, I knew that Porthkerry had always been considered an English parish, but I was so very jealous on the subject, and so anxious not to betray an improper answer, that I wrote to Mr.

Eomilly that I had never heard of any complaint made as to tlio fact of the clergyman at Porthkerry being an Englishman and I do not kaow that' any complaint can be made but still, I must keep myself open, and if aii application should be made to me by any persons residing in the parish I should have to issue a commission of inquiry, Ko application was made, and in due timo Mr. Allen was nominated. Here is another instance. The Cyril Stacey wrote to me that -Mr. Treharue, of Coedriglan, bequeathed to him the next term of the parish of St.

George's, and asking me if I could institute him. I told him just the same as I had told General Stuart, that I did not presume to prejudge the question, and that I could not 'institute him, but must leave it to the parish of St. George's to say whether an Englishman was competent to take the position. The result was that Mr. Cyril Stacey relinquished his claim which he had under Mr.

Treharne's will. I think that is quite sufficient to show that the bishop does not shut his eyes. (Hoar, hear.) Mr. J. Bird There is St.

Bride's. The' Bishop I could mention many other instances, but I do not wish to take up too much of your time. Well then, I como to the second point that the Bishop has got his eyes open to the fact that it is necessary to issue commission of inquiry. I wish you to understand that one of the mgst difficult and most painful' functions whfch a bishop has to perform is to select gentlemen for the office of commissioners because it is a most disagreeable thing for them to undertake the duties. If there is a prepon-derance on cither side if theWelsh element or the English element preponderates on the commission, and of course we know that there is a great deal of party feeling on the subject it is sure to be said that the Bishop has done it in order to gain a particular object in view.

Now, to meet that statement, I will only allude to one case, and that is the very last that has occurred the case of the livin" of Marcross, which became vacant by the death of Mr. Williams. Tho patrons of the living are the Dean and Chapter of Llandaff, and they thought right to nominate Mr. Davies, curate of Machen, one of the most excellent curates in the diocese, and for whom I entertain tho highest possible respect. I wrote to him, saying that I should be glad if he could take tho living, but I must satisfy myself whether it was necessary to have a Welsh clergyman or not.

Accordingly, I thought it my duty to got as impartial a commission as I could. I did not ask Archdeacon Blosse, who usually presides nwi, t.linae commissions, to nreside on this occasion, be xatest1wmgenoe FRANCE. 'n A manifesto of the Lett and this afternoon, declares that the 1 the wishes of the nor establish national self-government. Personal mont rcLii.3 in tho act, ami proems its most government Wt.re3 oreign aud homo afth.3. consigns the exclusive initiative to trfSState the essential right of all too peopfc to fundamental institutions when, necessary, nud on thc executive power the Ctesariuu right of confers pl0j wUch js uotbiug but a appeal to maJ.

tho exTOltiv0 menace ot a md the ftUonatioll Nntional abdication fc(lerati0I1 0f popular rights in the ud onu famib'- The th rccommenfling tho electors to vote "Ko" at the jo although not excluding blank bulletins or ah-p 'as well as other modes of protest. Tho inani-ft slued by Deputies Arago, Bancel, Cromioux, Esquires, Gambetta Pages Bizohi Grevy, Massim Ordinaire, Polletau, aud SftS: Ve of the Muf have nct signed. ITALY. ii opfn-ce is asserted that the Chamber oSute has agreed upon a modification the titles the Government with the National Bank, It 5 2,000,000 of lire, on the surety of Mistical Estates Bonds, Con of of lire shall remain quo. JLno ihnk it is stated, would agree to a reduction of its coin-mission on the above 500,000,000 of lire, from 80 to 60, and possibly even to 50 centimes per cent.

BAVARIA. Munich Avkil 21. -In to-day's sitting- of the Chamber, the Jl'mWe'r of the Interior brought in a Bill introducing the principle of direct secret voting. TURKEY. Consanti.vo!i.k, Arah 20.

It is asserted that the firman, appointing Hnssoun Patriarch of the Ar.neuiau community mil be revoked by tho Porte. INDIA. Bombay, AruiL 20. Official returns issued by the Indian Government of the messages exchanged botween Europe and India show that the total number during the past month was 5,400, being an increase of l.Out as compared ith March, 1S00. SPAIN.

Cadiz, April 20. Some disturbance occurred to-day in the suburbs of Puerto, Santa Maria, and iu the neighbourhood of Cadiz. They arose from disputes ou the question of wages. A body of forty Municipal Guards was sufficient to restore order. The rioters numbered 000, of whom oae was killed, and several were wounded.

Hadmd, April 21. The Bill calling out 10,000 men was not voted by the Cortes yesterday, owing to tho of the number of deputies. Iu to-day's sitting of the Cortes, Marshal Prim, in reply-to Senor Ochoa, refused to submit to the House documents referring to the trial of tho Due de Moutpensior, and defended the competency and composition of tho court-martial, as well as the sentence pronounced. The Army Contingent and Public Order Bills were adopted by largo majorities, The Eco de i'spcim advocates the candidature to the Spanish Throne of the Prince Alconto and asserts that the Regent urged upon General Prim the necessity for the election of a King, proposing three candidates the Duo de Montpensier, Marshal Espnrtero, and General Prim. General Prim replied that he neither could nor would become King.

(BY KRENCH ATLANTIC CABLE.) AMERICA. Washington, April 20. The Senate passed to-day the Bill admitting Georgia to representation in Congress, with an amendment declaring the present State Government provisional, ordering the elections to the Legislature to take place on November 15th, and constituting the State the third military division. It is reported that Secretary Fish has made satisfactory representations to Mr. Thornton iu reference to the Da'rien Canal.

Tho rumours that the latter had presented a formal protest to the American Government this subject is denied. New York, April 20. Closing prices Gold closed at 1132. The highest quotation during the day was the lowest, 113.1. Sterling Exchange on London, 5-20 United States Bonds (18S2), 113 ditto (18S5), 112 ditto (1S07), 110 10-40 ditto, 100.V Illinois, 1 Erie, 25.

Cotton Middling Upland, Petroleum Standard white, Flour Extra State, 4-dols. SO cents, to 5 dols. 10 cents. Corn Old mixed, 1 dol. 15 cents.

Western Mail Office, 4 a.m. (keuteb's telegrams.) THE DAKUBIAN PRINCIPALITIES. Bucharest, April 21. The Chambers have been closed, and are re-convoked for the 21th of May, for an extraordinary session, to deliberate upon matters urgently requiring legislation. Prince John Ghika having failed in the endeavour to form a Cabinet, that task has been entrusted to the Minister President, M.

Goleseo. (hy telegkavh.) INDIA. Calcutta, Aphil 21. The Press continues to criticise the financial administration of India, especially commenting upon the injustice of charging the expenditure for public works against the current revenue. The Friend of India hopes that the memorial to the Duke of Argyll will be answered by hi3 sending a Financial Secretary from England.

(PKESS ASSOCIATION TELEGRAMS.) The Esmoude Will Case was settled by compromise yesterday in the Dublin Probate Court. Last night, Mr. C. Seely and tho Hon. Auberon Herbert, the members for Nottingham, addressed their constituents, aud promised support to Mr.

Gladstone's Government. A Town'3 meeting at Lowestoft adopted a petition to Parliament that one of the seats vacant by the disfranchisement of Beverley and Bridgwater may be allowed to Lowestoft. A billiard match came off yesterday between Cook, ex-champion, and W. Robert's, father of the present champion. The game, seven hundred up, lusted two hours aud a half, and was won by Cook by 55 points.

The play was not brilliant, John Seddon and James Walker were engaged yesterday in repairing the Albert Pit shaft, Smithlield Collieries, Little Haiton, near Bolton, when the rope supporting the scaffolding brokej and they were precipitated to the bottom of the shaft, a distance of 150 yards. Death in each case was instantaneous. The deceased were both married men. A large meeting was held at Preston, last night, in support of the Government Education Bill. The Mayor presided; and resolutions were passed condemning the exclusion of religious teaching from schools, and against secular education.

A petition was adopted in favour of those principles of the Bill which provided for liberty of religious education. An explosion of gunpowder took place yesterday morning at seven o'clock, at Mr. Baildou's, ironmonger, New-wistle-under-Lymo. The explosion happened while tho shopman was in the warehouse fetching gunpowder, but be carried no light. The warehouse is in ruins, and the house adjoining was blown down.

A man and two children fore buried in the ruins, but afterwards rescued alive. Four persons are seriously injured, one not expected to survive. The explosion was felt all over the town. In yesterday's sitting of the English Presbyterian Synod in Loudon the vexed question of the use of instrumental music iu churches Mr. C.

K. Lewis, in able speech, moved a resolution to the effect that the Church ought not to letter the notion of sessions and congregations in this matter, but that it should urge congregations to continue efforts for the better cultivation of vocal praise, and enjoined the presbyteries to take CJH'that substantial improvement in harmony be regarded. Tho Rev. R. H.

Lundie seconded the motion, which, after an animated discussion, was carried by a majority of 121 to 49, afternoon the Bishop of Exeter was entertained at a banquet at Blundell's School, Tiverton, by his old school-fellows. The Earl of Dovou presided. The Bishop, in acknowledging the toast of the Bishop and Clergy, dwelt od the vast benefit which he derived from the education which he received during thb five years he speut in tho school, and pointed out that the Grammar Schools bad done a great work in the education of tho country. There might have been many evils needing reform, but, in general, their teaching was substantially sound. He thought.

that in any changes that wore made, they should endeavour to 'retain something of tho system that existod in olden times. gentleman feeling much aggrieved at. ho P'" Kis property, actually invoked the assistance of the bishop ik iTin. of the stumblintr to his gams, though, need hardly Bay, without success. The Dean: It is utterly illegal in a iiacsh church.

Colonel Hili, Nevertheless it takcsjUco. The Dean It may in a proprietary Someone in the' room referred to a case of tnekmd at I am desirous of abrogating tto peir system. The allotment of pews is attended with gfeat CVTlie Dean It cannot exist iu a parish church. Colonel Hill But it does exist. The Dean It might have beeu in a proprietary chapel.

Colonel Hill: I think it was a district church. It is, indeed, surprising that a system which renders, possible such awful desecration should be allowed to continue. Our blessed Saviour drove out the money-changers from the temple. But what wouM have been his condemnation of such merchandise as tuisr I recollect his Grace tho Archbishop of Canterbury sayuig at an annual nicetiug of the Seamen's Mission, where lie was presiding, that he attributed the fact of so few sailors frequenting the Church to the circumstance of their feeling that having no seats of their own they would be considered unwelcome strangers. Hence the necessity of providing separate accommodation for them to me a sad necessity, and all arising from the system of appropriation.

Having endeavoured to point out some of the evils of the pow system, let me ask what aro its snpposea advantages They can be but two. Tho supposed advantage of families sitting together Sunday alter Sunday the same place, and the source of income to the clergyman. The first is merely a question of coming in good time, when any coveted position could be secured. I do not propose to uotieo tne objections to tho free system because ol the possibility of a disagreeable person seating himself alongside one. Practically this doe3 not occur, and it it did, I do not see that tho pew system offers any safeguard, rather the contrary.

The second objection is more serious, because the expenses of Divino Service must be provided for. and when the endowment is they must come out of the pookets of the congregation. But here ngam ourChnrch provides the proper meaus of supplying thisneed it fP.4-rt., 'I'biu to nil nrrlinfltlfA nf tllf! OlllirCU. and distinctly in accordance with the teaching ot Holy Scriptures, wherein we arc taught to lay by during week as God has prospered us, and to bring uu offenug, and to come into His courts. I believo that whenever tho doctrine has been properly taught, the result to the church has been a direct gain.

To suppose meu require some substantia! advantage to make them contribute to the expenses of the church, is to put upon them a gross insult, not warranted by past experience. .1 feel sure that whatever sums bo ontauiea irom iuu imuiu least may be obtained by the offertory. I will read you a few practical results: Diocese of Chichester, Wcstbourne, Sussex. The total sums raised by the Sunday offertory, from Lent to the cud of the year 1889, inclusive, was Wi 17s. Hid.

Bath The offertory at St. John's, Bathwick, amounted, for the year 1860, to 691 as against ,475 the previous year. Chester Cathedral: Tho offertory during the past year amounted to 726 Cs. as compared with 685 12s, lid. contributed throughout the previous year.

All faints Clifton, Bristol offertories amounted Ms, 2Td. special, 1,083 0s. other special offerings, 229 7s. contents of alms boxes 38 6s. 2d, showing, a total of 2.142 8a.

3.d,, which was made up ot notes and coins, as follows Notes 71 sovereigns, 293; half-sovereigns, 255; crowns, half-crowns, 794; florins, 680 shillings, 0,592 sixpences, 8.4S9; groats, 2,213: threes, pence, half-pence, r.r.r. 1 III mnM QnA r01' tannings, 000. 1 win haps the most striking, as illustrating the views ot Her Majesty the head of the Church upou this subject. Her Majesty's Chanel in the Savoy, in an obscure street leading out of the Strand, was formerly maintained by the unsatisfactory system of pew rents aud close seats, was little known, and los3 fre qutnted. It was (fortunately) burnt down in 1804.

It has been rebuilt iuthe best taste and spirit, under the direction of her Majesty, who has ordered the seats to be free, and the otferioni totuke the place of the pew-rants The chapel is now so crowded that it has become necessary to have an early communion at 8.30, service at 10 till 11, service at 11.30, and so on. The reason of this great change cannot be misunderstood. It is clearly because there are no high pews, nor distinctions between rich and poor because the interior is devotional, rich, and decent the services frequent, various, and attractive the church constantly open." I greatly fear I am tiring you, but I will be brief. I am told that the rule I seek to introduce already exists in the Hereford aud St. Asaph associations.

I will not go into the question as to how far appropria: tion, or the pew system; has obtained here. If much, there is all the more need of my motion if little, then its application will be the less difficult. Permit me, my lord, to say that no one has a higher appreciation of the efforts that have been made to restore the Anglican Church to its proper usefulness by yourself aud those who have been labouring with you in connection with this society; but I found my motion upon the broad principle that the public money should ouly bo devoted for public purposes assisting churches whore tha pews are to be appropriated to certain individuals or families, is n. departure from this principle which I believe to be most injurious to tlio best interest of the church itself. My lord, I long to see the day when as there is one body and one spirit, even as we aro called with one hope of our calling," all class distinctions iu churches may be abolished, the congregations having one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of them, all," may worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness, and keeping the faith "snthe unity of tho Spirit and iu the, houd of peace." (Applause.) I beg to move "that future no grant shall be made in respect of any the, free use of which is not secured to all the parishioners alike, without any distinction or difference." The Eev.

C. Jenner seconded the motion, and said he thoroughly endorsed what Col. Hill had said. Mr. Mitchell supported the motion, remarking that those who favoured the views which naa ueen ennuciattea wished to make the church vigorous in her services aud ministrations on behalf of the people.

The Dean was very, much pleased with a great deal that had been said by Colonel Hill us to the general principle of having free churches but they must bear in mind what the law was, and 'what tho preseut state of things. Buying and selling scats and pews were illegal, and such evils ought not to exist, If they existed in individual cases, he trusted Colonel Hill and those who thought with him would endeavour to put an end to them. Hear, hear.) Whilst he said this, he would remark that it would never do to carry the motion in the way in which it had beeu proposed. If the motion were carried in that form, the society would bo unable to make any grant to churches which might have been built to meet ths requirements of' large populations. (Hear, hear.) Archdeacon Blosse made some general remai-ks oh the law as to pews, and said if they were to abolish the allotment system altogether it would bo found to militate against the interests of the church in many neighbourhoods.

Canon Morgan said he had had great experience in relation to large populations, and said that iu his own parish (St. Mary's, Cardiff), the sum of 250 was raised by pew rents, and 200 by the offertory. If the pew rents were abolished, he wanted to know how he was to raise au equal sum i He referred to Merthyr, and other large places, and argued that they could not utter the prevailing system without detriment, to the church. The Bishop made some remarks on the points under discussion, and controverted the literal rendering the passage quoted from St, James by Col. Hill, arguing it would be quite as correct to use the words of Christ literally when he spoke of men giving a dinner to those only who could not recompense the donor.

His lordship said these passages were to be taken as indicating a general principle, rather than the inculcation of a specinc doctrine. There was some further discussion, and then The Dean moved an amendment to the effect (quoting almost entire the 28th rule of the Church Building Society) "that in' all future grants tor building new churches, at least one half the area shall be set apart for the free use of, fln iTiWhitnntii of th narish for ever." Mr. J. Bird seconded the amendment. A show of hands was taken, and the amendment was de-; clared carried.

The report waB then adopted, and ordered to be printed and circulated. Metos. E. W. David aud W.

Alexander were re-appointed auditors. It was also resolved that in future no grant exceeding 100 for building a new church, 50 for a school chapel, or 25 for a parsonage, shall be entertained unless notice nas oeen given, mm iuu Htime puuiisneci iu ciruuiara cuu-vening the quarterly meeting at which the proposal is to bo Votes of thanks to the Mayor for the use of the grand iurv room during the year, and to his Lordship for presid ing, wero passed, nnd the meeting separated. The Wife Mubdbb at Warwick, On Tuesday morning Thomas Chapman was ugain brought, before the borough magistrates, His confession at the police station having been read, the witnesses who gave evidence at the inquest on Monday evening were examined. The principal additional fact brought put was in a state- ment by the prisoner's rather, tnat Uhapman' denied the paternity of his wife's last child: as loug' back thci posure he displayed at the inquest. He declined making any- further statement at present, lit seemed anxious that it should; not be, believed that he used the-rope which was found twisted, in the shawl of the dc- -ceased.

Chapman was committed for trial on the charge of wilful murder. Two Men Killed by the Fallincmn of a Wblk Two men were killed on Wednesday at Ampthill, Bedfordshire, by the of a nichiwas being sunk by Mr. Morris, a brewer. Three men were, working in the wcll 'when the first fall of earth Two of them were buried entirely, the The latter, soon got assistance, but qn one of the workmen at the top of the. well descending to help him and his fellows out, another, fall occurred, entirely brirying' nearly covering his' would-be succorirer.

Before doing anything further it was 1. 1. nnnnoanww i-l, operation which took; neiirly three pnebf 'tfie moi, Tinmpii "Ruinbo'wl thnmrh" nftt.thn first mit ontAnd he hod been nearly seven hours under the rubbish, alive, and' able to speak. The other two, were lend. Their' names are John Sheairwood'ana Gbrge: Rainbow.

DEI' BE JMOH'8 LittHT-BBOWN Cod Cipbb Ohi. The1 unquestionable superiority of this Oil over id! other Wads' i thus attested by Edwin Canton, Sprn to the Charing andjflnd iitolie miich more effisacious than other varieties of. the' same medicine which' I' liavo also oranloyed with a view to tort. nrActrililni, Tlr. An lT.ia'liKRtvtwnlflAil.TilvAa.

flit. their relative opcrioricy. Horn -only eapaaios1 impowu Hsu- GpnMgnees, r'Aanr, Hartor, 0., fftiIiUto uuhu, fxu twwini vt Hunrcinne saw nun. DISPUTED RIGHT TO A WELSH ESTATE. LOKDOK, Thursmv.

In the Rolls Court, to-day, Lord-llomilly gave judgment in tho cause of Thomas Morganv.Eeos Morgan. His Lordship explained that tho plaintiff was at present a waiter in Chenpside, London. Somo time since a farmer named Bees Morgan was in possession of an estate, about 117 acros in extent, situuto iu tho parish of Llangyby, in tho county of Cardigan. Ho had two sons, both of whom were heirs expectant, but whom he survived, dying only in the year 1842. One of the sons, Thomas, in the year 1820, sold his interest in the estate to a solicitor named Harries, residing at Carmarthen.

Thomas died in 1S25, leaving a widow and a son named David, and tho latter thereupon became entitled under the limitations of a settlement to tho equitable estate in remainder expectant on the death of his grandfather. Upon the decease of the original Harris, as was alleged by the plaintiff, im-propoi ly claimed the estate, aud entered into the receipt of tho rents aud profits, the estate boing then in tho occupation of Jane Morgan. He made several attempts to sell the property by private contract, and in lSd-T he succeeded in inducing tho defendant to purchase it for ,1,315, which was considerably less than the proper value, one of tho conditions of the salo being that David Morgan, the plaintiff's father, should confirm the sale, which lie, being an ignorant aud poor man, did. In ISoO David Morgan died, leaving tho plaintiff, his eldest son, the heir-at-law. Tho latter now alleged that, inasmuch as Harris ouly purchased a life interest, he was a trespasser upou the estate, and plaintiff prayed that ho might bo da-creed to account for the rents and profits.

His Lordship thought that under all tho circumstances plaintiff was entitled to a decree, and ordered thoroforo that the defendant should deliver up possession and account for the rents and profits of the estate iu question since tho filing of the bill. Ko order was made as to costs. Sir Baggallay, Q.C., and Mr. "Wbodhouso were counsel for the plaintiff and Mr. Jessel, Q.C., M.P,, and Mv.

Bcvillfor the defendant. LATEST SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. KFAYMARKET CRAVEN MEETING, Thubsday. CiAiiET Stakes. Minaret, Sst 51b Chaloaor w.o.

Pcro Gomez saved Ins stake. NEWttAllKK-J Midsummer Fordham 1 Honloguo Butlor Bertha Jottery Betting 0 to 4 ou Midsummer, li to 1 ngst Boulogne Won in a canter by thirty lengths bad third. Asm: Pnoiiccu Stakes. Falkland, Sst 71b French 1 Thorwiilcr, Sst 41b Fordhnm 2 Belting to 1 ou Falkland. Won by three quarters of a long tli.

SUllSCUU'TIOK ltoynlLatf Jell'ory 1 Anemotie yeklimr dupitcr Ko'f" y. Hotting to 2 on lloynl Lad, i to 1 nyst Jupiter. Won by three quartr-rs of a lcuirth bad third. SWEKl'STAKES Or 100 SOVS. Nobleman Fordli.nu 1 Perambulator Froudi Betting a to 1 ou Peiaiubuliitor.

Won iu a canter by twenty lengths. SWEEl'STAKES 01' 100 fcOVS. Ccriuthalilly, Sst 41b HaUlmout 1 (lotdsboroinih, Sst Tib Fordluiui 2 Bcttiust to 4 on Ceriutha lilly. Wou by half a length. Hakvicaf Pmtii.

Dodona Wilson 1 Brother to Havioli Little Drum Webb Aftermath, Plnv, Lincoln, aud Silvershoe also ran. Betthiff 2 to l'agst Brother to Bavioli, 5 to 2 Tlay, i to 1 apst Little Drum, 5 to 1 agst Lincoln, 10 to 1 agst Dodoun. Wou by half a loiisth. 100 Plate. Sister to Pollv Perkins, Sst Maidmunt 1 Fhmicu, Sst alb Chatoncr i Brother to Kinq; Alfred, Sst 3lb lordham i Betting to 4'agst Brother to Kini? Alfred, 2 to 1 agst bister to Polly PerkiiisJ and Flameu.

Won by a short head three quarters of a leneth between second and third, BETTING AT THE ROOMS. TWO TUOUSAKD to 1 agst Kingcraft 100 to 15 King oE 8 to 1 Stanley 100 to 7 Suulight OnESTElt Cor. to 1 agst Sabiuus 0 to 1 Sidcrolito 1000 to 30 Stoma TIVYSIDE STEEPLECHASES. A very capital nicotine was got off at Tivyside, ou Wednesday, ou around something like midway between Cardigan and New-cnstlclimlj-u. Tho stewards wcro Messrs.

H. I). -Evans, of High-mead, and J. Vauglum, Pouymorta. Mr, T.

H. Bronohloy, (llan Einv, the honorary secretary, managed tho meeting a very able and courteous manner. Thoro was quite uu averago attendance, and the sport was very interesting. Tho four stakes ottered were contested iu the following order; Walter Stakes. Mr.

Gi-ismoud Philipps's Tho Admiral Mr. It. Flutter 1 Jlr. Hull's Coscomb Captain Howell 2 Mr. E.

Howell's Father Wycr Captain Grant Mr. W. H. rowcll's Polly Mr. Sartons 0 V.

Powell's Count was also coloured, but did uot weigh out. Admiral, a bi(f favourite, but not much Polly tired early iu the which was well contested by tho others. Father Wycr fell, and Admiral, beating Coxcomb iu the straight rnu wou easily by six lengths. Fahjiers Race. Mr.

Davics's Tafflna HE08 I Mr. Parker's Mermaid Mr. R. Flutter Mr. Trolliu's Spider -Mr.

GnMhs A very poor race, Taflina coming in alone. Mormaul loll, and Spider rctused two or three bunks, Tivysiue Stakes. Mr. W. It.

H. Powell's Tho Count Mr. Sartoris I Mr. JJmvcn Summers's Milton Mr, Grismond Philipps's Tho Admiral Mr. R.

Flutter .1 Sir Anthony and Ascension also ran. Accidents reduced this race to a match at tho finish. Admiral and Ascension EoU heavily, and Sir Anthony bolted. Thoro was, however, a smart finish between Count and Sir Anthony, till? former reaching the post lirst; by a length and half, Milton was brought to tho post, and the rider claimed second honours, on the ground that Sir Anthony did not round tho proper distance This was admitted by Captain Grant. Caumban Stakes.

Mr. Hartloy's The Swimmer It. Griffiths 1 Mr, Grismond IPhilipps's Mary D. Davies 2 Mr. Gwyunc's Scrip Lady Lawrence, Hutitiug Horn, Rosebud, Polly, Coquette, Broomstick, and Tennsse also ran.

A very good race between tho first four or five, tho ollior being tailed oil', sonic of thorn early in tho raoo. ABEEGAVEKNY EA.CE3. Thursday. Hsst Cur, Mr. F.

Morton's Wamba Owner 1 Mr. 1-'. Herbert's Sir Robert Owner Four rau. Thuueoak Pahk Stakes. Mr.

F-C. Morgan's Belle Morton 1 Mr. Stratton's Spauglu iy Match foh Mr. F. O.

Haubury Williams's Martlott Wheeler I Mr. F. Herbert's Bluebeard MOKSIOUTHSUIRE HAKDIOAP. Mr. W.

Lewis's Playmate, Ost 181b nt 1 Mr. Ally's Deh con to, Cst 41b Holland 2 Throe rau. Bkvkdehwek HwtmvE Hack. Mr. Goodwin's Juniper Owner Mr.S, Moore's Iberia Five ran, Ol'KK Hukter' Steei'leciiase of 100.

Mr. P. Morton's Hortouso Harding -l Mr. E. P.

Wilson's Tom Ownor 2 Ten run. Hukt Sweepstakes. Mr. F. Herbert's Bluebeard Mr.

Herhort's Polionn Mr. Haubury Williams's Militiaman Seven For the lirst time for many yours, tho Duko oE Beaufort with a party was present to witness tho racing, and every thing passed off with great tWif. CITY BETTING. Thursday, 2.15 p.m. Two Thousand Guineas.

3 to 1 agst Kingcratt (i to 1 King of Scots, Macgrcgor, Stanley, 'Princo of Wales, Sunlight, Ohbsteh Cup. (I to to 1 10 to 1 1C0 to 8 to 1 airst Sabiuus, o(J0 to 20 Muster, Deh BY. 50 to 1 agst Prince of Wales, MANCHESTER BETTING. Thubsday. Two Thousand Guineas.

a to ljigst Kingcraft, (i to 1 Macgrogor, 7 to 1 King of Scots, 11 to 1 Princo of Wales, OlIESTEn Cui'. 100 to 15 agst Sabinus, 15 to 2 Glonfallocli, 100 to 7 Formosa, 20 to 1 Cherio, 25 to 1 Miss Shappard, DEnnr. 100 to 7 agst Camel, 100 toJ7 Macgrogor, "COWBRIDGB GRAMMAR SCHOOL ATHLETIC SPORTS. This interesting annual event oamooff in largo iield near the school at Cowbridgo yesterday. The weather was everythin" that could bo desired, and there was a large attendance of the scholars and their friends.

Amongst those'on the ground we noticed, Mr. E. Staoey. and party, Llaudough Castle Dr. Pritchard and party, Lalestou, 'Bridgend Rev.

C. Wood and party, Peumark Mr. J. B. Hrimfray and party, Pwllywraeh, Ac, The Sand of the 18th Glamorgan Rifle Volunteers, under the.

care of Mr. Williams, bandmaster, was in attendance, and played a selection of music throughout the day in most admirable manner. Tho following was the result of the sports i Flat rnco, 100 yards (under 19' yours -E. Owl. Flat race! 100 yards (under 17 years) W.

Jones. Flat race, 100 yards (under 14 years) D. Phillips. Long Jump (under 10 Oi'd. Long Jump under 17 years) W.Daniell, Long Jump (under 14 years) D.

Phillips, i Flat quarter mile. Handicap L. H. Roes E. 2.

Potato Race W. V. Rees, 1 E. Ord, 2. High Jump (under lit yours), E.

Ord. High Jump (under 17 years) W. H. Jones. High Jump (under years) C.

Thomas. Iflat Raco, one mile, handicap W. Thomas. Throwing at wicket (under 14 years), '30 yards C. Thomas! Pole Jump (under 17 Ord (8ft.) Jones, 2, Polo Jm'np (under 14- years) O.

Thomas, 1 (5ft. L. R. Morgan, 2. Consolation Race, 200 yards Morgan, 1 Lewis, 2.

OhlBbys' Race J. Lewis. At tho close, of the sports the company adjourned the Boar Inn, wherordi'nricrwas served. No accident, or mis-chabce of any sort occurred during the day, all, the pro-ceedings'passing off pleasantly and CASE OP SLANDER ON TINGUISHED PERSONS, DIS- The following are tho affidavits filed iu the Court of Queen's Bench as grounds for the application for a rule nisi for a criminal information against Mr. Long, priuter, publisher, aud part proprietor of the Sheffield Daily Telegraph, for libel against the Prince of Wale3 aud the Earl' and Couutess of Sefton Affidavit of Albert Edward, Princo of Wales, of Marl-borough House, Middlesex, sworu ou tho 14th of April, 1S70, states as follows 1, I have read the paragraph in tho Sheffield Daily lele- 3.

I was never guilty of the slightest impropriety with the said Couutess of Sefton, mid there is not tho slightest foundation or pretext for the statemont that I am likely to be mentioned iu tho Divorco Court as a co-respondent in a case by the Earl of Sefton against tho Countess. 3. I know of nothing, aud I cannot conceive of anything, which could have suggested or given rise to such statement. The joint affidavit of the Earl and Couutess of stated: 1. We have read the paragraph in tho Sheffield Daily Trtcnraph.

2. We were married on tho ISth ot July, 1S0G. 3, Ve have lived togothor from tho date of our inarriago down to the preseut lime in perfect harmony and affection, and we liavo throe children, 4. There is not tho slightest shadow of foundation or pro-text for the statement above sot forth, as contained iu tbji Sheffield Daily Trteyrcqih. b.

And the said Earl, for myself, sny I know of nothing aud I cannot conceive of anything which could have suggested or given riso to such a statomout. G. And tho said Countess, for myself, say that I know of nothing, aud cannot conceive of anything, which could have suggested or given rise to such a statement. 7. Thero has never been tho slightest impropriety of any kind between his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales aud myself.

5. And we, the said Ertrl and Countoss, say that we cannot look upon the said statomout as anything- but a wicked falsehood aud calumny. NOTICE TO QUIT TENANCY BY POST. LONDON, Tn'tusi)AT. To-day, iu the Court of Queen's Botich, Mr.

Colo, Q.C., in moving for a new trial, raised the question whether a notice to quit tenancy scut by post wns a good notice to quit. Ho said that tho Eossa Grundy Gold Miuintr Company were tho tenants of the Gresham House Company, who are tho owners of largo City buildings. The latter sent to the Kossa Company notice to quit on the evening of the day on which it ought to have been ported. Mr. Justice Blackburn (before whom tho case was tried at Guildhall, where tho verdict was given for the Gresluuii Company) said ho had reserved the point on the authority of a caso in Eoscoe, which ho uow found to be wrong.

His lordship considered that service by post was insufficient, unless evidence of receipt was given. Mr. Cole contended that the posting of the letter was not imnu facie evidence of its having been delivered; and further', that tho notice was posted too late. The court held that tho posting of a letter was ijrim facie evidence of the determination of a tenancy, unless tho contrary wore proved, and the jury not believing tho rebutting evidence, the rule was refused. CHANCERY-PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE MERTHYE TYDFIL LOCAL BOARD.

LONDON. Thuiwday. In the Rolls Court, to-dav, the cause of the Attorney-Gcucral v. tho Mcrthvr Tydfil Local Board of Health was brought forward before Lord Romilly. Sir Richard Q.C., was counsel for plaintiff, and Mr.

Jcs'sel, M.P., for the defendants, against whom an injunction was prayed for to compel the removal of certain works which were 'alleged to be detrimental to the health of the inhabitants. Sir R. Baggallay said that, although it cannot bo concealed that, delay would be productive of inconvenience, tho cause could not uow be proceeded with and as tho Secretary of State had determined to appoint a competent officer to' inspect the works, and the inspection would necessarily occupy at least two days, he would suggest an adjournment for a fortnight, Mr. Jessel assenting. His lordship made an order accordingly.

SAFETY OF A MISSING STEAMER. Ouo of the missing Liverpool steamships has been spoken. The Sirius, belonging to Messrs. Rathbone Brothers, which left Liverpool lor "Calcutta, had not beeu heard of for some time, was spoken an the loth instaut off the Bassos, Ceylou, with cylinder broken. Intelligence to this effect has been received by telegraph at Liverpool.

THE DUKE OF NEWCASTLE'S AFFAIRS. The special case relating to tho Duke of Newcastle's affairs the Right Hon. W. E. Gladstone v.

Padwick is progressing, and will be set down for argument in the Court of Exchequer. The question is whether tho bill of sale to Mr. Gladstone, as trustee of tho late duke, has priority over the execution of Mr. Padwick. DEATH OF MR.

GEORGE HENRY MOORE, M.P. Mr. George Henry Moore, the junior member for Mayo, and well-known advocate for the release of the Feniau prisoners, died suddenly on Wednesday morning, at his seat, Moore-hall, Mayo. The lion, gentleman, who was 59 years of age, represented his native county from August, 1847, to July, 1S5T, wheu he was unseated on petition. He was reelected in December, 1303.

Mr. Moore was an advanced Liberal in politics, and his name has been especially prominent during the present session in the discussions ou the Irish Land and Coercion Bills. THE MINERS' CONFERENCE. At the'meetmgof tho iniuers' delegates ou Wednesday, at Wrexham, reports from various districts as to the adoption of the eight hours principle were received. It was stated that in the Wigau district the eight hours system of daily-work had been adopted, and that it was about to be adopted at Farnworth and Kearsley.

In the neighbourhood of Bolton the men hud been working nine hours a day, but at a meeting recently hold a resolutiou in favour of the eight hours system was agreed to. In Rochdale the system had been partially adopted, whilst in the Worsley district they had not yet commenced working the reduced hours and the same was the caso with regard to St. Helens, one of tho delegates from which stated that that district, so far as related to the number of members belonging to the union, and that of the working hours," was in a worse state than it had been since 1SG3. The report from Oldham and Ashton was to the effect that the reduction of the working hours to eight per day had not been carried out in those districts; but there was a strong feeling in favour of tho system, and it was expected that in tho course of a fortnight an effort would bo made to adopt it. The North Wales delegate reported that the eight hours movement had been commenced, and iu some instances notice was given to the masters that the meu intended to restrict the working hours, but tho notice had been withdrawn.

As a rule, however, the getters did not work more than ten hours per day, while it was not considered advisable to enforce the system, seeing that some of the masters did not appear to care whether they worked or not. In South Wales and North Staffordshire it was stated that the feeling of the men was in favour of working only eight houi-3. The delegate from North Staffordshire stated that any attempt to euforcethe system in the places which ha represented would result iu a severe struggle between tho men and the masters. The chairman said that iu Lancashire there were about 40,000 miners, about 12,000 of whom were in the Wigan district, where the system of eight hours' daily work was now being carried out, aud it was for those present to say what course should be taken in those districts where it had'not been adopted, Several of the delegates stated that the attempt to carry out or enforce the system in those localities which they represented would meet with the opposition of the master. A long discussion ensued as to the course which should be adopted with reference if to the men who should be deprived of their work owing to the enforcement of tho eight hours system.

Ultimately it was unanimously agreed that the carrying out of the eight hours system should be left to tho executive committee. It was moved and agreed to, "That the best means for extending the principles of the association was by a good and notation inalHhosedistrictswhichwerecouaeutect with tiro association. Ou the question of tho appointment of qualified persons to bo paid for visiting various colliery, districts, and agitating iu favour of the eight hours system, and the other objects of the association, being put to tho vote, there was 'a largo majority in favour of tho appointment of one permanent agent. A delegate named Lewis, who, it was stated, spoke English and Welsh with fluency, was accordingly appointed jitrumncnt agitator. Itwiis also agreed that the agent ait present engaged should be appointed by tho executive committee to visit certain districts when deemed necessary.

The chairman then read tho report from tho deputation who waited on tho delegates of the National Association for the purpose of getting the two associations to combine. Tho National Association refused to combine, principally ou the ground that the trade objects of the Amalgamated Association the men on strike aud the raising of tho wages question-were such that thoy could not entertain or include, in their rules. Tho mooting again adjourned. CLERICAL APPOINTMENTS AND VACANCIES. APPOINTMENTS.

The Archbishop ol Canterbury has uouiiuatod Uio ttov. Thomas Hifrvey, Theological Associate of Kinn's Oollogu, London, ti tins incumbency of tho new. district of St, Faith, Maidatono. The Bishop of Lincoln lias collated the ltov. John Voy, Tmvel-linjj Secretary of tho.

Additional Curates' Society, to tho vicm-aire of St. Martin's, Lincoln, vacant liy tlio preEiii-niont of Urn Rev. W. Abbott, to the inmimbouoy oF St, John's Olmroli, Hollovmy. The Bishop ot Olou'ci'stcr and Bristol has appoiatod tiio Ituv.

Unity Donnlrt Mam-icd Spoucc, M.A., Profcaror of English Literature in St, David's College, ti.mprtcr, to ho his ohaplaiu. VACANCIKS. The rectory of West Pittford, by tho doalh of Mm Hcv. ,1. Lowis May, M.A., worth X'250 a year; patron, Mr.

W. MKm rectory of Button, uoar Appleby, by the death of tho Boy. 11, Hendorson, M.A., worth 180 a year patron, Sir It, Ibocuniwof St. Ives, Cornwall, worth a yonr, with title at tho Bishop of footer's ordination; patron, tho Boy. B.

JJ'he curacy of Tyncmontli, worth IW a year patron, the Hov. The curacy of St. Mark's Church, with title at Bishop of London's ordination pitron, tho ltov. MaoOiirtny, THE clierisneu associations, 01 many ul uuuae ivuuiu i uc honour of addressing. I should feel greater diffidence in speaking before so many clergy, wero it not chiefly a laymen's question.

But entertaining, a3 I do, deeply-rooted convictions, that the subject is one fraught with the gravest importance to the future usefulness nay, position of the Church, I feel it to be my duty to do so, much as I may regret that the task has not fallen into abler hands. My lord, I venture to assert, that while no branch of the Christian Church was ever so pre-eminently calculated by its constitution andrubrios to become in reality the church of the people, the Anglican church has of late years largely failed iu attracting the poorer classes to its fold. While the traveller- is struck with the crowds of humbler worshippers that frequent the Greek and Latin churches abroad, he cannot but feel grieved to notice their absence in those of the Anglican communion at home. There are, doubtless, many evils which havo caused this but perhaps the most important, as being evils to which a present remedy con be applied, are the infrequency and undue length of the services, and the deficiency of accommodation. It' is to the latter of these that the energies of this are directed, and to which the motion I propose to move relates, I.

need hardly say that that motion aims at the eventual abolition of what is called the pew system, or the appropriation of the area of the church, which is the common property of its parishioners alike, to a favoured portion thereof. Free and unappropriated seats are now, nud always have been, the rule in the Christian and every other religion. Appropriation of seats, with its consequent division of classes, is unknown in either the tri'MK or Latin Churches. Nor is it tobefound inMnhomedan mofques. The innovation took its rise in England about the time of the Eeformation, and, although comparatively of recent has become widespread throughout the land.

But even here the practice is contrary to law, and it has at length, in connection with the great revival of the Anglican. Church, attracted attention. Societies have been formed for the purpose of restoring our Churches to tho people, to whom they belong; and much valuable work has been done both by that in Manchester and that in Loudon. Suffer me to read 11 few extracts from 11 publication of the National Association for Freedom of Worship, touching the law: "Tho use of the body of the church is common to all parishioners. (Ayliffe: Parergon.p.'tSL Parliamentary Eemembrancer, March, 1S60.) By the general law, and of common right, all the pews iu the parish church are the common property of the parish.

They are for the use in common of the parishioners, who aro all entitled to be seated, orderly and conveniently, so as best to provide for the accommodation of all. Aud every parishioner has clearly a right to a seat in the church, without any payment for it" (P. (, Fuller v. Lane. Oliphant's Law of Such is the law of the land upon the subject; but the Word of God is still more strong iu its condemnation of such appropriation.

"My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of Glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly'apparel, and there come in also a poor man, in vile raiment and yc have respect to him that weareth the gav clothing, and say unto him, 'Sit thou here ma good place, and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit hero under my footstool nre ye not then partial yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts. If ye ural the royal law according to the scriptures, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as ycdowell butif yo have 1 respect to pefsons, yc commit sin." My ord, the pew system, to my mind, stands condemned by the law human' and Divine. But there are still many cogent reasons against its retention which must present themselves to all who have thought upon the subject. I will read a few of the most important.

1. Because the assignment of seats causes more jealousy, and bitterness, and contention in a parish than anything else. It often excites tempers in tho house of God disofacoful to Christianity and shocking to think of, This is ever renewed when re-allotment takes place. If the assignment of scats wore frequently changed, the more constant would be the strife. If assignment remains as usual, year after year, unchanged, tho pews become attached to particular families ulmost as permanently a3 freeholds.

2. "Because) if any seats are allotted, the wardens are equally bound to allot alt the seats; and if -any parishioners ore entitled to allotment, all are; which clearly excludes the common palliative and pretence of what are termed free seats for the poor the poor having precisely the same right to, and liking for, own appropriated seats as the rich have. 3. Because allot-nient of seats generally prevents the opening of the cnurch for frequent, services, and for private prayer, and thus causes the least, instead of the greatest, possible benefit to. bo derived from public religious edifices, and from the large expenditure upon building and endowing churches.

4. Because allotment encourages those who have scats assigned to come late, and discourages those the great majority who have not seats assigned, from, coming early. 5 i'llecause keeping seats empty till service begins purposely causes disturbance by persons coming in afterwards, who, if permitted to seat themselves in any place as soon us they choose to come, would be all in their places before service begins. To arrange so that worshippers shall come to worship after worship has begun, is wilfully dishonouring Him who is worshipped. 6.

Because appropriated seats secure no advantage, which in a free church those who care about the Bame seats, or sitting together, cannot equally secure by coming early The catalogue of evils is not yet exhausted. I will only remind you of the frightful scandal, to the ohiirch caused by tho sale of pews by public auction. This is no fiction, ns the following extracts from tho newspapers will testify Church of St. John the Evangelist, rh the parish of Hanley. To be sold by auction, by Messrs.

and Son, at the Q- 's Hotel, in Hanley, on Monday, Jan. 31st, 1870, at three o'clock in the. afternoon, subject to conditions, a double pew in the Church of St. John the Evangelist, Hanley, on the north; side of the north aisle, distinguished by the No. 1 on the door thereof.

For particulars, apply to Messrs. Leek. "Clifton Church. To be sold, a pew, let at six guineas per annum. Price and particulars upon application to MesBrs.

L- Clifton." "Clifton Church. To be let, pew; rent, eight guineas per annum. Apply to Messrs. Clifton." The Dean That is illegal. If a man buys such things, he buys what is a mere fiction.

Colonel Hill: it is one of tho abuses of the sys- Dean i 1 if a'mon does buy a seat, he does that which is wholly illegal. Mr. John Bird The pews in gallery of St. Johns, Cardiff, were sold wholesale at one time. The Dean repeated that such acts, were quite illegal, and the sate would give the bityer no right in that which Wotonet HitL I know ijf a ytom instance still.

In, a town in another diocese, a gentleman purchased eighty J. S. Inooofmnnl: WMfc'h nomilar preacher kept theai all filled, it paid well as well, am CUia, us tiBV JlHiL Hid uiM.vrajr, uutu, uut.oi.cijr, theiproaeher successor, not giving equal satis-' action tfho tm'cciilation ceased to be remunerative, and the Aucraniou, jueruuru, i.rj UlttO, TOuypatltiy, IU uimt mm Glyncornvg, 10 to moot 50; Maesteg, Llangynwyd, 30 to meet 60; Spelter, ditto, 30to meet 60 Herat 'Mission, 100 to meet JSIUO: Llantaruam, 40 Cadoxtou-by-fieatli, 50; St. Woollos, Newport, 50: PMgwcnlly, ditto, 40; bt. Pagans, Abordaie, 20; St.

John's, Carditf, o0; CwmywwyMgwyn, fielliimor, 50; Tongtvynlais, 10 All bamts Cardiff, St. Martin's, Cuerpltilly, 20. This Inst grant has since been relinquished. The errant for 'Beaufort lias not beeu claimed, owing to the difficulty of finding a suitable ourate; nor has that for Ferudale yet come into operation. The total liability of the society in this respect now amounts to per annum, which, met by 1,400 from tlio Lcolosias-tical Commissioners, makes an aggregate of supplied by 'means of this society towards the support of 40 additional ouriiles iu tho diocese.

.1,1 Thus have tho aspirations which wero uttered when the society was rounded been doubled within 20 years. In his memorable letter to the Bishop, tho Dean (nt that time Anik-deacon) of Llnndaff thus expressed himself; "With our Ton Churches Fund, let me ask then, as even of more immediate importance, a provision for twenty pastors, who would find ample occupation amidst our densely-peopled mountains and our mingled race." In furtherance of the society's second objcct-tlio moralise of church accommodation thecommittce have voted a second grant of 100 towards tho co3t of a largo church to bo built at Tredegar-villo, a populous suburb of Cardiff, in the parish of St. John; 200 for another large ohuroli iu the parish ot St. Mary, Cardilf 100 for a uow church fertile parish of Cacran, to whio 1 populous hamlet of Hlyhas recently been attached, by order iu Council and 100 for a new church iu the parish of St. WooUos, 11 Under tho same hcud come two grants of 40 each, that havo been voted to tho Incumbent of Mynyddislwyu, for schoolrooms at Tredegar Junction aud Maesyewmmwr, to bo licensed for Diviue worship aud ono of 25 for a like, purpose the Ogmore Valley, where ouoof tie Homo Missionaries will offimato ttllmoru suitable provision can bo made.

A sum of 25 was voted towards the restoration of Lkuitris-saut Church, in Glamorganshire. In order to correct a prevalent it is accessary to stnto that this case was con-sidercd exceptional. Tho object of the society being primarily to increase church acconimoflatiou, it does not make grants to rural parishes merely for the purposo of church restoration. In the cttseof Llantrissout, however, about seventy sittings were added to tho existing accommodation, so that it was thought that it came within tho scopo of the society's operations. The total amount of the building grants made last year is 030, which rnisos tho society's liability under this head to 1,030, including some gram's that may bo considered to Uavo 1'lIIt oiily romnins to call attention to the financial position of the society, 'as stated iu tho treasurer's accounts.

'It will be seeu that although sevornl grants for curates wero in abeyance tost year, the payments for this purpose exceeded the income by WS.5U. The committee commoud the work in which the society is engaged to the generous support, and advocacy of all who nro interested iu the prosperity of this Eeetiou of tho Church in Yales. THiTbISHOP OF LLANDAI'F AND THB WESTERN MAIb." The Bight Eev. Chairman said I wish to make a few remarks on 11 matter which I consider personal to myself with regard to the administration of the affairs ot this diocese, and also with regard tocertain gentlemen who have been associated with mo in the performance of a very important duty. Most of the gentlemen here present are aware, no doubt, that a very able and interesting article has iust been published in the Quarto Review, upon the condition of "The Church in Wales." That article is calculated to do a great deal of good to the cause of the Church, inasmuch as it contains a great deal of uselul information upon points on which the people of generally speaking, are profoundly ignorant 1 and 1 think it may be the means of dissipating a great deal ot prejudice, and cutting away tho ground on which great many of the arguments against the Church inWales are built.

That article was favourably noticed the other day in a leading article in the Western Mail, and, generally speaking, every one who reads it must feel undor.aii obli-Ration to the editor for the kind manner in which he has expressed himself. But what he says is not without some reBorve on bis part. Ho mentions two points on which he says surfit amari aHquid, and theao two points are-first, tho'condition of the Llandaff Diocesan Church Extension Society, the financial condition appearing to the editor to be not at'all what it ought to be, importance the society, and the resources which there are the diocese for the support of the society. We must all bo greatly indebted to him for taking that view of tho subject, and I beg to express iny.thanks to hiui. There is another point to which he refers.

"There he says, one or two points in which it is hardly possible for candid observer to be in accord with its able author, oae espeoia.ly to which we must demur. It is that in which ho refers to tho fact that English clergymen are no longar appointed to Welsh parishes. This is a statement which must be taken cum, '(iuo salis. It is quite true that no incumbent entirely ignorant of the WelBh language is appointed to any euro of souls in which a commission reports, that 1 no Welsh is required' 'that, I presume, is a misprint, and means "in which a commission reports -in which Welsh is required" but it is also true," tho article goes on to say, that the inquiry instituted on such occasions is not of too searching a nature, and does not always go to the root of the matter. There are many parishes in the diocese of Llandaff, the incumbents of which have no knowledge of Welsh, and have no Welsh services iu their, churches, whilst neighbouring Dissenting chapels, are crowded with worshippers who are ministered to their native tongue, And in the very churches wo allude to, if byuny chance a Welsh service is held, mid a popnlarjreacber se-cured, the result is a thronged attendance.

Nowif that remark had been made, solely witit regard to anything that took place, before my. should not have taken 'any notice of -it, because whateyer the administration of the affairs of the diocese before that it is quite clear I am not professes to be a statement of what at tliU moment exists. There aro one or two the editor of tho Western Mail, in which it is hardly possible for a candid observer tobe in accord with its able author, one especially to which we must domur. It is that in, which he refers to the fact that English clergymen are no, longer, appointed to Welsh parishes." Of course the meaning of that: is that Englishmen iirb at this dny appointed to Welsh parishes. Moreover, the article goes on to say, that where, a mission is -appointed to inquire into the necessities of a parish on such occasions, the inquiry is conducted in such a way as to bo more or less a sham, whioh I conoeiveto be it very grave imputation, not only on myself, Imt against thoso gentlemen on whom dovolyed the important duty of inquiring.

into; tho qualifications English clergymen, or others under such ciroumstanoes. it bo happens that almost immediately after I came "into this cases of this, kind occurred. one.of those tliochse'of Llanfoist, near Abergavenny, I idemdeit, 'after. -hearing the report of' the -commissioners, that Welshtnan was not for. iaombtmojr; and cause he is a canon ol Llandaff, and therefore one of the patrons of MarcrosB, and of course it would havo been a very improper position for him to have been in.

I therefore asked his neighbour, the Eov. Charles Knight, to preside over the commission; 1 and I sure-that I may appeal to any one here present whetherthereisamore honourable-minded man in the diocese than the Eev. Charles Knight. For my part, I am sure he is one of those persons to whom may bo applied the words of the Psalmist, that if he swore to his own injury he would stand by his word and by Mb commissions generally consist of five persons. Besides the Eev.

Mr. Knight, I had an opportunity of appointing four others. I chose two Welsh clergymen the Eev. Parry Thomas, of and the Eev. Mr.

Edwards, of Landore then two laymen, and I chose two gentlemen farmers in the neighbourhood, one acquainted with the English language, and the other with tho Welsh, in order that thoy might balance eaoh other as feeling. Surely, that was doing all I posstMy could to get a fair and honest commission. Emr ouMf the five commissioners determinedthatitwasnecossai.tohayea Welsh clergy man, and, in consequence of that, I thought it was my duty to inf orm the Dean and Chapter that I was under the painful necessity of refusing their and giving it to some ob else. With regard to the third point do the commissioners meet for the purpose of going through a farce, or do they meet to ascertain the truth I.thinlc when I have mentioned the names of which the commission was composed, no one can feel that it is possible to entertain such a supposition as, that I happen to have a letter from'Archdeacon, Blosse, in which he says that, having been engaged in many of these commissions, I know, what paina are taken by, the commissioners to arrive at what appears to them to lie the truth." Arohdeacon BLGS8B i That is not written in reference to this particular matter. Will you give the date The BlBHOP: I am not aware that you knew.

1 was Archdeacon Bloi.sk I wish to guard agtainBt -the im-prcsskm that I had written to you' yesterday. The Bishop i This I regard as an independent expression of opinion as to sidri Then I think ttio Bishop; hasoleared himself from shutting; his eyes-ah'packihg a.commis-.sioir; ono. cleared tlio commission from" Ohnrgo pt meetirw for anj other purpose than to -jaeettein tho truth. There-is stiHi '-ntidther sttge-wHat doe the bwhap.do (CENTRAL PRESS TELEGRAM.) A quantity of ammunition and several revolvers, supposed to have been intends '1 for distribution among members of the Fenian brotherhood, were seized in a beer-house ln Manchester yesterday. Mr.Dixon, M.P., in presiding at tho annual meeting ot the 'lnuigliam Education Society, yesterday, said ho believed the Government intended to abandon the Education Bill lor this.

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