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By Albert and Bonn Elscle Blue Earth. Minnesota Chicken feathers are now being ground up, according to a report by the department ot agriculture. We think that chicken feathers have been ground'up ever since ,the first hog ate the first chicken. Once hogs start eating chickens, there is the dickens to pay. , The best preventative against chicken-eating habit' is to feed plenty of tankage. But of recent *~ years tankage has Been hard to get, and as a result there has always been more or less feather-grinding out in the hog pens. Some hogs get so addicted to eating chickens that they will be -interested even in the flutter of a sparrow's wings. They will chase pheasants that come up in the farmer's yard to feed in winter. But we have never heard of a hot catching a pheasant. · Once on a September day we went into the cornfield to see how the ears were maturing. We broke off one, then stripped back all the husks, leaving them on the ear: When we came up from the cornfield we threw the ear to the hogs. One hog grabbed it, and the rest, smelling the new corn, which tastes so much better than the old. gave chase. Susan, who was in the yard just then, almost h a d ' h e a r t - f a i l u r e when she saw the hogs all in pursuit of one that'seemed to have a chicken in its mouth. The white husks looked like the remains of a Leghorn hen and of course when one hog has a chicken in its mouth all the other hogs will give chase. j Speaking of feathers, we have (just noticed in one of our farm papers that there is a strong demand for feathers. Goose and duck f caters command high prices. In this one paper we find about a dozen different firms advertising for feathers. Of course the war has much to do with this strong demand. Feathers are needed for bedding, sleeping hags, aviators' suits and the like. And don't forget, if you have any feathers to sell, you may well provide the pillow for some wounded soldier's .head. Our oldest boy, who wen' hunting during the pheasant sea- · son, brought down several pheasants. He missed quite a lot them, too, but never, it seems without "taking the feathers ou of them." Nowadays he shoot crows, or rather, he shoots a crows. He cannot get very nea them, .but even from a distance he seems always able, -to take hi word for it, to take the "feather out. If all the young hunters in America could collect all th feathers that they have shot ou PHIL R. SHEIMO AUCTIONEER Livestock and selling experience for 20 years. FERTILE, IOWA PHONE 64! I , 4-H War Work Is Theme ofShortCowse f targets that .got away, there vould be no feather shortage.- The other evening: we read a mok on Paul Revere, and we re- all pages in which several char- cters of those days were tarred iid feathered. There was . even picture of a victim in that sad late. Tarring and feathering used o be quite a common practice in ears back. The practice has dis- ppeared. Good riddance. We heard of one farmer who had the hogs on the farm all in lis name, while his wife had the hickens all to herself. One day he hogs started eating the hickens. The wife was frantic about it, but he just laughed and made no effort to stop it. "So long as they eat chickens," he said, "I von't need to buy\ tankage!" We are not so sure but that tarring and feathering might be in good season here and there. Our dog caught'a rabbit in the grove. He couldn't eat all of it, so juried what was left over in an old snowbank. But the snowbank was shallow, and the dog left a rabbit's foot protruding. When ;he boys came home from country school they pulled up what the dog had buried, evaluated it and promptly brought it indoors and jave it to the Persian cat. The cat ate her fill, but still there was some rabbit left. Not anything more, however, than a rabbit's foot. This rabbit's foot the kitten now keep's under the kitchen stove, and she seems to treasure it. We have told the 'boys how men used to carry a rabbit's foot on their watch' chains, and now they are debating whether to hang the rabbit's foot around the kitten's neck. . . Come to think of it, -we haven't seen a' rabbit's foot as a watch charm for a long: time. Are they still being worn? We remember a neighbor who used to wear a rabbit's foot across his waist. Bat he has since departed to the land 'where rabbits' feet no longer matter. When farmers have brought in the last of ..the year's crops and have only the empty and gleaned fields left, do they close all those gates along the road? This question occurred to us just yesterday when we noticed a man in a car trying to round up 5 stray horses. We don't know who he was, but we first noticed him when we took the boys to school. The horses had gone through an open gate and into a large cornfield, and the man had to walk all .over a 40-acre field before he got them out. When the horses ha'd been driven from SHOULD SAVE CROP RESIDUE Burning Cornstalks Wastes Organic Matter Iowa farmers who burn their cornstalks and other crop residue every winter because "it's merely a lot of trash" are destroying the material that is actually the organic matter of tomorrow's soil,' explains A. G. Norman of the soils department at Iowa State college. The need for conserving all crop residues that will help build soil organic matter is especially important during wartime .when greater demands are being made for increased food production. Even though burning the stalks makes cultivation easier, loss of organic matter and soil nutrients makes this a foolish practice in the lonr run, Normanbelieves. "Every farmer raises 2 crops--I that can be sold, the other invisible, but upon which the fertility of the soil depends. The invisible crop is bacteria that feed on the organic matter of the soil and release the plant nutrients in a form that can be used by the visible crop. It is just good sense to add as much to this reservoir o£ food for this invisible crop as possible,'' FARM BUREAU NEWS points out Norman. : Many persons believe that little of the food nutrients is lost by burning the stubble because the ash remains. It is true that the ash contains some of the plant nutrients, but, by raking and burning, these will be distributed unevenly over the field. And, the most important nutrient, nitrogen, will be lost completely and the value of the cornstalks as food for soil bacteria will be destroyed. Another disadvantage of burning this material is that it destroys the surface mulch that, if left, will help hold snow and prevent erosion. · ' J/M. ROBERTSON Pure Bred and Livestock Auctioneer Supplies bf Clothing to Meet Needs Manpower and machinery shortages will continue to bottleneck production of everything but. essential civilian textiles and clothing during the coming year, Miss Lucile Buchanan, county extension home economist, reports. Although military demands have decreased somewhat, this country must supply an increasingly large amount of fabrics for liberated European countries,- she pointed out. , · . ' To the list of essential goods-military and industrial clothing and footwear--have beeu added certain children's garments. Woven, knit, underwear,, 'nichtwear, outerwear, play toes and utility garments through the ace of 6 and overalls and coveralls for children through the age of 16 are now recognized as essential. About 18 million yards of cotton fabrics, printcloth, flannelets, denims and poplins and cotton yarn'for manufacture of'knitted garments have been allocated. These garments should appear on the market in February or March. Coarse percales, some ginghams, seersuckers and a few fine sheer cottons will continue to be available for housedresses. While more wool is available than last year, the supply of yardage and apparel will be limited by manpower and machinery short- FARM BUREAU OFFICERS President LdMaxhre.'Mason City 1 Vice PresldcnI Melvln B. Hawke, Sheffield Secretary . WUUrd Fulfhujn, Maeon City Treasurer : Wayne Wolford, Ventura HOME rBOJECT OFFICE** me Project Cbairman.Mn. Leo'Oswald Girls' 4-H Club Chairman ,-.... Mm. William Eno Boyi' 4-H Club Chairman.WillardFulchum TOWNSHIP DIUCTOBS Y Grant . James P. HansetvJr. Lincoln .............:... Ernest KaU Lime Creek Russell Bistline Falls : Clem Goikowilcl Clear Lake . William Amend Lake Robert P. Hudson Mason Kelvin Evans Portland Wade Files Union .^.: . Dewey HoweU Mount Vernon ;. Harold Alleman Bath -v Joe Cahul 'Owen Richard Thompson Grimes Richard James Pleasant Valley Carrol Rice Geneseo Molvin Hawke Dougherty Tony Larson County Extension Director : .Marion E. Olson County Home Economist .. Lucille Buchanan Office Assistant ' Genevieve M. Smith TOWNSHIP HOME PROJECT · CHAIRMEN Grant Mrs. Rollrn Luscomb Lincoln .Mrs. Edwin Doescher Lime Creek Mrs. Russell Bistline Falls Mrs. J. H. McNitt Clear Lake Mrs. Tom SplUman Lake ; Miss Alma Tqkle Mason Mrs. Melvia Evans Portland Mrs. Milton Ferrier Union Mrs. Dewey Howell Mount Vemon Mrs. At Carstens Bath ; Mrs. Ray Harris Owen . -- ; Mrs. Ben Hitzhusen Grimes Mrs. R. E. James Pleasant Valley Mrs. BUI Ames Geneseo Mrs. Frank Kirk Dougherty- Mrs. R. V. Cast Phone 2019 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE Farmers Notice! We have just received a carload of FRONT AND REAR TRACTOR WHEELS All Makes and Sizes BIG SAVINGS JOE DANIELS AUTO SUPPLY 121 No. Delaware Opposite Poitoffice Phone 363 DISTRIBUTED State Brand Creaaeries, that field they went down, the road a short distance and ran through another open gate and info an 80-acre cornfield. We came home then from taking the b'oys to school, did our chores, and at noon were surprised to see the 5 stray horses go trotting past our farm, with the man in pursuit with the car. All morning that .man had been struggling with his stray horses. The horses-ivent east to'a crossroad. We didn't know which way they were supposed to go, or we might have been able to head them in the right direction. They turned south, ran a quarter of a mile, then saw another open gate. In they went, with the man-driving his car. after them over plowed ground. He' got them out of · there and- they went · «n and the last we saw of 4hem they went into another oped' gate that led to another'large plowed field. If the farmer has finished his year's work, and has gates along the public highway, and usually he has 1 or ·*, he can just as well close those gates for the winter. Indeed a gate will winter better closed than sagging on its hinges. A closed gate will prove a blessing to the farmer,who is out ; along . a wintry highway rounding up his stray stock. When stock' are chased that way, they will enter any field where the gate is open. A closed farm gate may save some unknown man many a weary step over cornstalks, and frozen clods. ages. Weaves in .both cotton and wools will be simple, so they can N be made quickly and in large quantity, The rayon picture is not optimistic.- 1 War and lend-lease needs will take a large quantity, so less will be available for linings, blouses, lingerie and dress materials. To stretch the rayon supply, some unlined suits will appear next spring. Yardage in dresses will be reduced as evidenced by shorter sleeves, shorter jackets, lower necks and narrow skirts. New shoe supplies- also will be smaller than a year ago. But repairs will not'be a problem. Materials have been allocated for 30,000 pairs of leather and rubber half soles. Some relief in the children's shoe situation should come in the form of non-leather shoes on the market within the next few weeks. Soles' will- be made from remnants and fastened to uppers by a vulcanized construction similar to tennis shoes. They will not require a coupon. Variation of Poison Food Makes Better Rat Bait, Says Expert A choice of poisoned foods for rats makes it more likely that the baits will be taken, says Harold Gunderson, Iowa State college tension entomologist. Stale or decaying material does not make good rat bait. Fresh meats such as salmon or sardines should be ground thoroughly in a meat chopper. Fresh rdBgh fish is a very attractive bait. If cereals such as bread, cornmeal or rolled oats are -used, milk or water should be added and the mixture stirred to a mushy consistency. Fruits and vegetables should be CHOOSE BOOKS AS ONE HOBBY Miss Buchanan Advises on Proper Selection _ The things men and women and boys and girls do with their spare time should give them real delight, says Miss Lucile Buchanan, county extension home economist. Long winter evenings encourage family members to develop hobbies and reading should have a definite place in the plans, she asserted. In selecting hobby books, Miss Victoria Hargrave, extension librarian at Iowa State college, places authority high .on the list of things to consider. A book by a recognized authority on the particular subject, or one which has been approved by an authority is safest. The text should be clearly written with technical terms explained. And illustrations, drawings, diagrams and maps should be both authentic and well-reproduced. Furthermore, the book should be well-printed, attractive in form ami have an index. Whether a book iits the needs of a beginner or one seeking more advanced information should be considered as well as the publication date in relation to new developments in the field, pne who intends to buy the book will want to find out whether there is a more expensive or cheaper edition that would be preferable. In this AU-PuUet Flock Plan Reduces Loss and Conserves Feed The all-pullet flock plan is recommended to Iowa "farm flock owners as a means o£ reducing mortality. According to W. R. Whitfield, Iowa State college extension poultryman, reduction in poultry losses means considerable saving in fesd and poultry meat, both very important products in wartime. The plan includes purchase of healthy chicks, keeping them healthy throughout the -summer, housing only pullets in the fall after the old hens have been sold and' cleanliness in 'the laying house, both b'efore and after the pullets are placed in it. Experience of Iowa laying flock uvners with the all-pullet plan las proved that it can help- reduce outbreaks of many common diseases and parasites in the lock, including cholera, typhoid, uberculosis, chicken pox, lice, worms, and laryngotracheitis. The all-pullet flock that is properly managed is never exposed to diseased birds nor kept in quarters 11 COUNTIES TO BE INCLUDED IN 2-DAY SESSIONS Leaders From Iowa Extension Department Will Be In Charge "Four-H on the Home Front" will be the theme of all district 4-H club short courses, according to word received this week by County Extension Director Marion E. Olson; from the state 4-H club office. The short course will be a meeting of the 4-H Victory army from 11. North Iowa counties. , . Cerro Gordo county representatives will attend the short course on Jan. 31 and Feb. 1 at the Y. M. C. A. in Mason City. The county 4-H club officers, Richard Dean, Richard Dunn, Jerry Cahalan and James Brown, and the county club committee, Willard Fulghiim, Tony.Larson and John McLaughlin, will attend. In addition, each club will elect a delegate who will attend. "Will my project for J44 feed * fighter?" with discussion of all 4-H club, projects for the year, is one of the program highlights. Delegates also will discuss livestock health regulations of par- ticular'interest to 4-H club members, financial arrangements for the 4-H club' member contributions which 4-H club members can make toward the statewide livestock and feed conservation program, and other topics for advancing the home front line in the local club and the county 4-H club program. A "furlough party" on the evening of the first day will be a feature of the recreation planned for the short course. A demonstration of an actual 4-H-. club meeting to illustrate points in conducting a meeting successfully, discussion of county 4-H club events, means by which 4-H club boys can increase crop production, and voting for boys' 4-H club state officers will be highlights of the second day's session. Ed Gabel and Jerry IJne- weaver, state leader and assistant state leader, respectively, in boys' 4-H club w o r k ; Miss Winifred Martin, extension music specialist; Mrs. Pearl Converse, extension recreation specialist; District Supervisor J. Merrill, Extension Livestockman Bex Beresford, and H. D. Hughes, of the Iowa State K OLUMN OMMENTS When repairing farm machinery be-sure that new or welded parts have been, installed in their proper working position. For example, 2 gears should mesh so that they have a slight bla'cklash. There should be an audible click when the gears are moved by hand. ; * - « · ¥ ' Three pounds of silage will replace 1 pound of hay for milk cows. If non-league silage replaces legume hay, some extra protein should be fed in the grain ration because corn and cane silage are lower in protein than legume hay. * * * A phenothiazine treatment for sheep will control nodular and other worms and help insure thrifty lambs. * * * Poison baits that are wrapped in small squares o£'paper remain cleaner and fresher than unwrapped baits and therefore are more attractive to rats., Wrapped baits are less likely to be taken by other animals and are easily recognized when uneaten baits are collected. Experimental results indicate that ground soybeans have les feeding value than do the wholi beans so far as beef cattle are con earned. * * * Diseases and parasites of chick ens may ,be spread by sparrow and other birds, by dirty coop and also may be carried on th shoes of visitors. * * When you take saw logs to th mill--don't take logs that are les than 12 inches in diameter at th small end. Use such logs for fui or posts. Take -only sound log Take no logs containing nails, wii or other iron.,Remember that lit tie lumber, if any, can be sawe from crooked logs. Don't cut sma trees for logs. Remember that the will grow. The * * * slot ventilator · recom mended'to Iowa poultrymen con sists of a 7-inch opening direct below the plate and above th windows on the south side of th laying house. Baffle boards aboi 8 feet long cover the outside i the slot opening. 10 Toetdar, Jan. 1C, iCASON CI1Y GLOBE-GAZE orester Advises rearing Posts for tfariy Years' Service' Woods not commonly used ence posts in Iowa will give sa actory service for many years J hey are first treated with ervative, according to Odell Jl ander, Iowa State college extel ion forester, Among such wool re catalpa, black oak, hickorf sh, maple, elm and, cottonwo Even ,the woods with conside ble natural durability will auch longer if treated, the fo ster says. The hot-and-cold ba peh tank process, using-coal-t reosote or a creosote mixture tie m o s t thorough treat iractical for farms. Well-seasoned posts are treatfj or 1 hour or more in a tank j jarrel of the preservative whi] s kept at 180 to 220 degrees FaU ·enheit. The posts then are quicJ y transferred to a 2nd t a n k - I preservative which is kept'at ij degrees Fahrenheit and are' " there for at least 1'hour. Penetration of V- to ind measured by boring a small ha at the point where the ground lii will be, should give good resula This hole should later be plugg| :ightly with a'creosoted plug " fort the post is set. ^ FEED AND CARE 1 Good feed and good care gij hand in hand in the successfu and profitable raising anil marketing of livestock. But sometimes with botll good feed and good care, feed-f ing stock seems to come to standstill, making very slovj gains or no further gains at alii "Wake up" poor doing livej stock with Big Gain Minera Stock Food. Many feeder| have told us th^t their hogs o« cattle, at a standstill, havi picked up and gone on to makl rapid and profitable gain] when they were switched tif Big Gain Mineral Stock Food. Ask your Dealer for BIC GAIN MINERAL ST.OC] FOOD., Farmer's Inc. Coop. Society, ' Hurley Hejlik Feed and Produce, Rockwell ' J. A. Sufton, Plymouth which have not been freed poultry pests and diseases. of FARM BUREAU EXCHANGE FOR' SALE: New Richland seed beans. \Vm. Leonard, Swaledale. cotlece. agronomy, department, will appear on the short course program. Delegates to the district .short course will hold lollowup meetings in most Iowa counties. The followup meeting will be for all local leaders and club officers, who in, turn will carry the.infor- mation back to their local club members. Cattle grubs can be controlled by treating with rotenone dust during January and February. cut into small slices. An average- size apple, for example, may be cut into 24 parts. Poison is dusted over the slices to insure even distribution. Legume hay is rich in protein, minerals and vitamins. We Carry a Complete Line of DR. ROBERTS Stock and Veterinarian Supplies BOOMHOWER HARDWARE connection. Miss Hargrave says, a book that will add life and meaning to the hobby interest it represents probably is a wise investment. On the other hand, it may be a book one will simply want to consult at the public library. Finally, a book limited to one or more subjects clenrly set forth and adequately illustrated for its purpose is preferable to one which contains information on a i hodge-podge of miscellaneous interests. HOG AND BROODER HOUSES See these houses on exhibit at our yard: 1 10x12 Brooder House. 1 12x14 Hog House--1 Pen. Our houses are made of lumber throughout with clear redwood! siding and are substantially built. Let us show them to you. : LA. MOORE LUMBER CO. Phone 119 629 South Federal Avenue r PUBLIC SALE! HIGH GRADE HOLSTEIN COWS AND PURE BRED DUROC HOGS Will sell at Public Auction on farm. 1 mile north and Vt mile west or Thompson I*WK, on Nor it and 8 miles east of BufUl. center, Iowa, on No. 9 SATURDAY, JANUARY 22 STARTING AT 1:30 P. M.. WAR TEVIE 22 -- HEAD OF CATTLE -- 22 21 head of hfifaesi grade noliteln inilk cows from 2 yemrs old to IQ years 0 ]d. Sorae-jiut fresh, others fresh last fall xnd summer. They Are reared fo a Fare Bred ball, nzmed Marco Ormsby Sir Bessie, frem the Cft»d herd of Admnu nd Gertsen of Story Clly, Iow». Butter f»l sold to tbe Thompson Cramer? from these »vi in 1913 brourhl: 5:1.331.15. 1 hlrh trade bull c»lf, 7 months old. Sired by C»rn»tl«n kred bull from the Helmke herd t Kenwlck, Iowa. The flnt place one Jt»r oil heifer at the Count? 4-H Show wa from Ihii herd. Herd T. B. tested and ealfhood vaccination for Baofs. 38 -- PURE BRED DUROC HOGS -- 38 26 bead bred jilts, to furrow In March and »' few In April. Bred to a Up hoar frtm the Bill Helmke Son herd at Ren wick, Iowa, and a top April pjf from the Dowd Son herd at Anatia. Minn. The»B flits are food enough to ff* to any man*A herd. The first place 4-H l l t l e r of the County Shaw was from, this herd. Now here is a «ood chance for you Dads to get that bey a f lit-for B 4-H Utter at yonr own price! ]· Ust Sept. fall (Ills and £ last Sept, fall boars. Write for cataler; on hofs. . ' i One Gas Engine and Pump Jack. Same Second Alfalfa Hay, In Barn TERMS: Cash. If you want eredlt see year hanker before sale. THEO. E. THOMPSON Anctns.: R. T. DeVcles, Baffalo Center and Clarence O. Hlrhland, St«rv Cltr Peaple-i State Bank. Clerk ' SELL US YOUR HIDES FUR Also Your . . . Scrap Iron Metal CARL STEIN Ph. 470 111 6th S. W. Nigerian Prince on Inspection Tour at Iowa State College Ames -- A royal personage-Prince A. A. N. Orizu--king- elect of Southeast Nigera, was an official visitor at Iowa Stale college recently. Prince Orizu is now on a tour of American colleges and universities in connection with plans he is formulating for a modern educational program in his country. He plans to send a number of Nigerian students to study in the United States. The prince is a graduate oj Ohio State university and is now taking advanced work at Columbia unversity. OATS BRING TOP PRICE In a curious reversal of values, oats brought S1.07 a bushel and corn brought SI.01 a bushel at a recent farm sale near Monticcllo. LIVESTOCK AUCTION Thursday, January 2O GARNER, IOWA NOTICE: Sale will start promptly at 1 P. M. - 400 -- CATTLE -- 400 The- run of stockers and feeders for this week's Auction will consist of locally consigned native and western acclimated steers and heifers, all weights and breeds. Included will be 15 good W. F. steer calves,'wt. 400 Ibs., 20 good Shorthorn steers, wt. COO Ibs., and 25 good Shorthorn steers, wt. 8M Ibs. Usual good receipts of springing .cows and heifers, breeding bulls, veal calves and butcher stock of all kinds. . PUBLIC AUCTION! As I am moving to town I am Public Auction the fol-3 lowing -on the farm located 1 mile east and 1 mile south and } y« mUe east of Plymouth or Y- mile north and '/· mile west of i Bock Falls. * ' . " ' Sale Begins ot 1 O'Clock Sharp on Friday, January 21,1944 HORSES 1 Bay mare, 5 years old in foal, ivt. 1700. -.1 Sorrel mare, 3 years old, wt. 1800. 1 Sorrel mare, Z years old. 1 Black horse. CATTLE 1 P. B. Shorthorn bull, IS months old. 2 Cows to freshen soon. 1 Guernsey cow milking. 3 Springing heifers. · 1 Sprier calf. 3 Steers. FEED S Tons of hay, mixed timothy and alfalfa. 600 Bushels of corn, more or less. CHICKENS--About 100 Pullets 1931 PONTIAC SEDAN 32 Volt Radio, 1 Windcharger MACHINERY, Etc. 1 nicConnicK (rain binder, 8 ft.; 1 Deerin? corn binder, 1 2-row [ corn~plow; 2 1-row com plows; 1 wagon; 1 dump wagon; 1 7-fL' seeder; 1 quack digger; 1 lime sower; Z pump jacks; 1 wheel' barrow; 1 swill cart on rubber; Letz ruffage mill, 10 inch burr;j 1 y~ H. P. gas' engine; 1 S-ft. seeder; JMcCormick-Deering cream 1 separator No. 4; 1 stock tank; 1 300-gal. boiler plate steel drum;-] hay rope; hay fork and slings; horse collars; harness; 2 hog j houses; tools and many other articles too numerous to mention.! TERMS: Cash--No property to be removed until settled for. E. F. WYBORNY, Owner J. R. Dorsey, Auctioneer . R. V. Wilkinson, Clerk ! AIR. FARMER LIVESTOCK FEEDER: If yon need replacement cattle you will find at this sale a good selection of good-doing Hereford, Shorthorn and Angus steers and heifers that at present prices will be a good buy for your feed lot. 150 -- HOGS- Including several consignments of native feeder pigs, also sows and breeding boars. NOTICE: Good feeder pigs and food breeding boars are in demand and are bringing satisfactory prices, · * SHEEP: We have a good market every Thursday for your fat Iambs, feeder lambs, ewes, or bucks. Send your consignment in this Thursday. \ GARNER SALES CO. USE BUTTER D I S T R I B U T E D B Y Iowa State Brand Creameries. Inc.

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