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26 THE LAWTON CONSTITUTION, Wednesday, July 5, 1 972 Muskie To Continue Campaign For Nomination To End Of The Road By LAWUENCE KNUTSON WASHINGTON (AP) Acknowledging the Democratic presidential nomination will likely elude him. Sen. Edmund S. Muskie says it is i a "to avoid tlic appearance of the will of the convention being frustrated, by sonic backroom cabal" againal Sen. George McGovcrn.

Muskie said lie is still convinced he would have a chance of defeating President Kixon a either McGovern or Sen. Humphrey--although he coni-oilcci "I have no recent evidence to support that." In an interview with The Associated Press, Maine senator who once led the Democratic field said he is i i his campaign to "lUc erici of the road." because the odds are against him. nomination isn't nailed down until the votes arc cast." Here is a partial transcript of the i i Q. Sen. Muskie.

based on your own experience as a former runner For the Democratic presidential noiminalion. what happened this year to conventional political wisdom. A. It is true candidates and their advisers, and observers, did not anticipate what has happened. Nevertheless, if what.

is meant by i a wisdom is the capacity to identify the forces a are moving and what people are saying there is a mood for change. The electorate is willing to rock the boat--they made that clear--and there is likely to be when this election is finished a new road map for the government of this country. Q. II' you were the nominee. could you defend President Nixon in November.

A. I think so. Q. Could your oppponenls for the i a i a him? Well would hope so. The reasons why the President is vulnerable are the same whoever the Democratic nominee may be.

lie's vulnerable on his domestic policies and he may still be vulnerable on (he war. Now with respect to Sen. McGovern, his problem is lhat at the moment, his constituency is viewed as a very narrow one. And there are i i a i he himself realizes this and the need lo broaden his constituency. In respect to Sen.

'Humphrey, his problem is that he has the image of being a loser at this point, fairly or unfairly. Q. Do you still feel Lhat you have a chance than either of the others to defeat Nixon it you get the nomination? A. Yes 1 do. 1.

realize of course a .1 have no recent evidence to support that And of course t'he polls reflect the fact I've dropped out of activity. Q. Is it possible to slop Sen. McGovern from receiving the nomination and how could that be done. A.

Well. I'd rather have the question put this way; Is it possible for Ed Muskie lo receive the i a i I don't conceive the active pursuit of my own candidacy lo be an essen- slop-movement I have the of any responsi- lion. Well that's not my posi- bility to i to the end Q. Under President Nixon the the road. Obviously the are against my getting until the votes are cast.

Q. you did gel the odds economy is expanding, i a i down'appears to be easing somewhat I and new jobs have been nonii-l created. What would you do to nation, how would you prevent.j i P' things he's done a walkout by the more-serious: economically, supporters of Sen. McGovern. Well, he's reversed htm- A.

don't see why one should pose that possibility as being a necessary result at all. IT the followers of every candidate were to Lake a attitude, you know, there isn't, a viable political process. self so often a its very difficult for a person on the outside, ccpt your party's vice-presidential nomination? A. I suppose it might be possible to pose hypothetical situations which might make me more receptive to the notion. But then I don't see them corn- Court.

A. I vitations that jmade. I see standing on the sidelines, to suggest patchwork measures for policies that were wrong in lhe first instance. .1 i he has mismanaged i controls in a way a a There will be one winner and i fa ed Lo come Lo grips wil Klencjr several losers. If the supporters upon rood prices-or, nf yll iho Incpi'C mit tlt'rc prices generally--while exercising restraints on wages.

Q. Would Democratic seat on the Cabinet, or even a seal on the U.S. Supreme you accept, in administration, of all the losers walk out of this convention, then nobody can win--whoever the nominee is. Q. Could the many challenges lo the credentials of McGovern delegates prevent him from That's wrong.

I think it's undermined the credibility of his whole policy. Secondly, he hasn't done I am seeking on the skills respond to in- a been no reason to the pres- ex- getting the. first ballot? A. Since nomination on Lhe i thing a unemployment. perience I have put together in public life, ir a eludes me, as it seems quite likely it will, my next objective is lo return to the Senate.

Q. Does Sen. McGovem's pro- posed cut of the military budg- a let in fiscal 1975 to about. bil- those challenges serious effect. could of tax- has incentives His program i for business has not produced more a 40 per! a Rued in cen of all delegates are under centives aimed a Lhe conslimer challenge I would assume i Ior more service conceivable that the results 0 i mo adet training have a i programs a.nd other approaches i of this sort.

Q. As president, exactly how and when would you end the war and how would you get the prisoners back? A. I think our negotiating) jtance ought to be a willingness 1 to completely withdraw, lo end reer is going to be in the Senate, would you be interested in a leadership role there? A. Well I think we ought to run this course out before we start another one. Q.

What cost you your position as runner? A. don't a all the answers lo Lhat. play with it once in awhile. 1 think the bas- a voters and the choice of too few. first; has moved left in such a quan- turn in these lasl three Because the high level of ex-: months.

peclations wasn't met. not A very tentative conclusion was my track record put in a my part is that what Sen. bad light, worse than it. McGovern has touched is a bul supporters and potential! very real move for a chanse in ic problem was that I find a way to convert never broad gcneral appeal in many instances second-choice support -with results a were visible in the primaries. I think, secondly, a cx- peclalions with rasped to my contributors were discouraged 1 this country.

Bul 1 don't think loo. If we'd started with a Lhat the dimension, character much lower level of ex- or direction of that change pectations, we might have have been i Has he able to build on what we did i asked for more than the Ameri- and peak later. can people have conciotisly in- Q. Are you still i a willingness lo buy? tribulions. I don't ihink we have an A.

Yes. 'answer lo a question. VI111 Q- Has Sen McGovem prom- candidate who isn'l. performance in the primaries were raised lo an unrealizable been an erosion of the theory of the polilical cenler? A. The center of course has those ap- all i i a activity in i a Again.

President resisted these doesn't believe in i preaches. So, at the end of the year the picture is going to be continued high unemployment and no real lion jeopardize national defense and how mudi if any would you i the defense establishment? A. I'm not projecting cuts for three years I have reached the conclusion you could cut S11.5 or S12 billion from (lie fiscal 1973 budget. I think pro.i- Nixnn lias ecting beyond reciuires an! He i a a i of what the state level. And when I failed lo meel those expectations the re- I did achieve imizcd.

was hlecscond choice of Bul find il hard to believe il weren't thought through. And notably among those is his welfare proposals which, if you un- were min- moved a to the i-derstand annh abou 1 1 1 dampening of the flationary pressures. Q. Senator, are basic in- there any lions. woulcl make you once the world might be years.

And I simply quantified Lhat. ill Championship Chess Match Really Be Played? A I Iceland (At 1 the title. The sUuumenl ele- most expensive would say a as it is now perceived, it couldn't be delivered. Q. Have you ever hart a secret hankering to do something else.

A. Well, my mind wanders over the range uf possibilities, but 1 usually come back lo politics. Lhree-j The world championship a chess match between Bobby Fischer and Boris Spassky now is scheduled lo start Thursday' Q. Ts there any you and Humphrey or a and Wallace or others mighll 1 0 manded lhal Fischer be punished. However.

Max KHWC. PITSI- artcrnoon following another' lll i a i a feeler make common cause Lo prevent manded this one de- Soviet cham-, the nomination of McGovern-or to assure the nomination of pion. our prisoners. Sen. McGovern has i tions whalsoever-lhe sue- or to assure "the nomination "of i Aflcr holding out more dicated he would be willing lo cess of Democratic ticket in somecme i se i money and gelling il, the withdraw without any condi- November, for example--thai I A j- nol a sucn I American challenger came to agreement or coordinated a Iceland for the postponed open- livily al the present lime.

I in nislt-h Tuesday. Bul don'l know if the others arc. Spassky a out of the noon don't I i that's the only i drawing lo decide who lhe convention can effectively ril sl because Fischer was consider a candidate, Present. He had sent his Alter all, if each candidate i second, a Roman Catholic retains his own support and P'' icsl that support is i i in and of ilself lo hold more a Officials amiiuinccd a new 4S- majority of Lhe delegates a a hour postponement of Lhe open- from Sen. McGovern.

I originally scheduled tor last see that, any backroom Sunday. They hoped both play- ings between the principals is'ers would be ready to meet on going to add lo a number. i Thursday. If at some point, down the Fischer arrived in a i road if Sen. McGovern doesn't early Tuesday.

The Icelandic 1 make on firs I or second. Chess Federation had rejected i ballot and i bo his demand for per cent of gins to Lo consideration of the gate receipts, but he agreed others, obviously the a i a to come a a London in- are going to be vying Cor delc: veslmenl. banker doubled the gale support and Ihere could st2j. 1)00 purse which he and be then a pooling of sup- Spassky will divide. The 29-year-old American grandmaster was from overnight, flight in a guarded villa at the edge of town cerned to avoid (he appear- vhcn a ierallacked ance of he will of ihe holdout a venuon being a by some backroom cabal when Tile Soviet cham- whole purpose of a convention of gales.

i lhal lo leave the idea alion, said lhe Sovjels had formaliy requested punishment. "What should I he "Put him in Ihe Fischer was staying a a 1 newsmen and did not comment on Soviet nlale- mcnl. "Turn In A Pusher" Cell Heroin Hotline TOLL FREE 1-(800) 368-5363 a pooling porl behind one or another can-' didale. I i it's very important, far as this convention is i process is a a rc al cc! statement free dele cililin Lne A i a conduct i i i ancl intolerable. .11 said Fischer, by refusing lo ap- at Ihe opening lasl weekend, had Spassky personally ancl Soviet Chess Federation and had ().

If the balance of your ca- jeopardized his right lo play for lhat a smoke-filled room is go-' pc ing lo decide this i a i thai I. i i would be very bad. WAP I MX DEROT WORK SHOP Open Monday thru Friday 6 p.m. 9 p.m. 4 1 3 5 5th (Old Arkla Gas Bldg.) BILL LAYTON, Derby Director 353-5525 or 353-7743 WORK SHOP Workers Needed SILL SALUTE.

Though not visible from this angle, more than 400 gathered at McNair Hall Tuesday for Sill's 50-gun salute lo the nation. The Fourth of July ceremony also included a brief address by Maj. Gen. Roderick Wetherill. post commander.

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