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THE TIMES; TUESDAY NOVEMBER 4, 1884. MrtL ul nn Uktn to other distrkU where atKir. feeror favour. OI.0 ITS lb MM Hon tV. kj UdT.

anything .1 th. 9.t,5?i2;irj ell Kuweaa countries, li 1 hi What bJ'W JOOO. wTll Mt subject to tbx peculiar haJ wrf5wtK which tvdtl It riU (or inlrcl.nd. No i the tbe guilty iwow were not lY.Li acT case had a conviction been obtained. 511 Sj tb 1 uU Mr.

HEALV. What aeout our autpeasioa Mr TKVIXVAN DO doubt tie clause to carried inYvaeutte when boo. roembeis opposite were absent. Mr. FA UN ELL.

When been driven (mm the House. Mr TKEVEtYAXwWtbit however that mijbt he i did net isi the 11 eltrr to fart that Parliament bad con erred lnh Eaecatlve tbe powers To strike )erltl 'hal lr sh Etecutive had only exercised to th ot their udi.ment the jiers ed bj rarliamor.t in ihdr hsikis. llear. bear The bra. nmkr fc.l trnptei tesbow that theee.jurie weteiwrtlalby anecdotes trav storie.

erf what juror were bran) in private ror.vrrsatioa say. Thai was srnreely the way to Jxpimrt so crave fJree Hear. As a nutter of fact, the tworoitioo of cooTictioo ns about the Hn as at an aJe. Crime in Ireland had now preatly and he the greet bodv of the Irish farmer 'Hear, hr.) The hon. membt (o.

alio that in tbeaanof 11km anilof Wwoua rrarttfea tho Goreniiaect IiaJ cot rrnA theroof prrriou tainirj. Hut the(JoTjrn tsret roiM not put thlJerinlorrrlTijrncMi ai tuoae. 1 ITrr ntion of Crimr Act of 1SS! wii oerer intr ntUJ with our cuh a tboc. VThit vif the preamble of thit Aft bcreax, ly 1M rocect action ol mvrrt a.victw combination for ttltpU ia lrrln4 h.x Irom the Irish tnimbrn the oi'ration of tho ord ry lw ha tweome inudcient for tho re rcioo aoJ rTrtUon of crime (cbnrs), aoj it to make further jrovitioQ for Ibo rerpoJe." lion nictebero opposite apiivl to imjf ne that that Art hd ber tor tho puro of tlralirc with thoae toiioa rrisnra but, in hit opinion, acd in the opinion of Act lud cot leen aJodfor that poriH ao. Then it wa cooteruJeJ bj the hotu ea.lr cr Slifo tht tbe caw of the criminated ofprnorti were not followed on with proper zaaL enerpr, anJ efficiency.

The hen. tr.inbT ahvi atitod that be hd been told that 11 rromuaoEa wire on toe jury which tried Cornwall. ThU atktncer.t ttpl on re hcarajy rridnec, and the cbrg wtftM prcbiblr rcnla on a on uJ.it ion nnt more aubatan till. In tri to the jartion of chalU BKinR juri in the ratt it tho tVrnwall and 1'rrech trial, he wa of opinion UuttVtkfrr.CBtVtCKtina tery rm condition. The Co erLinent a ammfly an.1 areiiM'tl bv both aide in thU unhappy affair of artod mot unfairly, Thej were cforp'O by the hon.

rnrraber with not baring atrark off from the jury tho frienJf or the prol who tr lolitiol or rum aoeial rotition be wap to cj la be ycipBthiier of Cornwall; and, on the other Land, thi were eh: rj; by the frinl of Cornwall notably by nl'etor with htTinK refrained from vsisg the M'WiY of eh liraping jcrora and with harirj: left on the nry weil jLnoon Nationjiliata. Mr. Healy. Mention one. VI In the cjaeof French, jcrora were chiUecfvd bv the Ocvcmmrnt; ami for what purpoae? Tto tor who bad wrrrd on the Cornwall jury were ch lerrel (Mr.

Ilevly One and that wa'a the only ino lor bjrhtho Oovcmmmt uaivlita riRht ofrhal wh'x'b, in waa a very rojer purjoae. jht i oeertment were next chirped with havic not ro rht foiwrd sufficient or ro evidence. Tbe hon. ra. nV t.

cr Mallow charged Cornwall, if not by name, at lc. by with teing felon, lie waa tried on tbe rhirye. and wtea acquitted, the Eie. utive of the Irih tUerrnnMiit tfiinit blm on tbe of ron to tnmit imnxTality. very acraji of eridrnco which the Oovtrumcnt thbucht waa local evidence to be.ir oat tkit charge hid ben col ected and brought forward.

The boa. meaiU for inainitated that the (iovemmcnt were afr id of trorlirs atrocgly aair.t CorawaH be ranaN bv Knew Oovanuncst aeereta. That chrrire could not ossibiy 1 I rocf bt caiBt1he Government witb any tffrct nute the Government, by action in the caae of Cornwall, bad thosnthat It wa. not afraid of bit (tuiltv aocreta. Cornwall ahpwed every deairo to put forward tbe action whirh he brought a tapiJly aa poaaible, and the moment the a tioti a aa decided no time was lost in p'aring Corn wal.

ou his trial on charges which certainly no Government wo ald brine again i a man if it bad any guilty aecreta. Th the hoa. ratmber for S.lro read a letter from French, aid it wuatraorvUnary that there should Ktm U) exirt in the tsind of th hon. mt mbt the belief that there waa in 4k. Of Fivnib ucllilur vtiirh al discreditable to th Irish Exeeutire.

French derlared that be would put them out of Ireland, and that if tbey wasted to make terms witb him without a pension be mjst get and nothinR less. That document appeared to bim to be about as odious and as di gractful to toe lron wrore ii as any ooenment couia owimt al be wa extremely sorry at the which hadleen made of it in that Houe. The threat erf French was one of a ulthre to wkcb the Government could not pay tbe uj altcnUoo, 1ft EI'KAKbU aaid be nat request that those inter were diMjntinutd, orhe'tloold be obliged to take further notice of them. Lear.) Mr. TKEVEbVAX aaid the hon.

member for Sligo bad stated that be shouli bewilder the House by his elojucnce He was certain that what that matter required was not elwpience bat a atatement of plain facts, lie had often ob vted to making the House of Commons a court of law to ca es bot it was xnneh wor still to turn it into' a sort of hiptring gallery Hear, bear from Irih mtmbers. arid tonnter chccrsl for tnakics ihinuatioa acainst individuals iiearly of a criminal nature, the very name of the crime not kribj given, and the insinuation, too, rocceljng from a fuul tnl eorroted M.irce. A nation wboe re resentativea could fc. cuvatiOT ajaint it mblie tenants on the tnere ot a man driven into a comer by a cmarnal tUarg wouid haul be worthy of repie ititative itntitutWos at all. The threats of Frenib proved nothing except that tb Government, in the opinion of tbe man team oa th were for an odious crime, itc actio in a way to inroke apprehenaiontoid.with Lmappivbt tiMous, Us indignation.

With regard to the Maimrrasaa'CiSj, the wr.ter tho letter which had been B.i rtidently knew nothing about it, otherwise he iM he known that there waa no letter from Mr. Tieel tich coo.d puably be construed into support or ar.r:iun of the view hita the hon. member for West X'e t'h iuU his colleagues had pjt forward about the Macm ejae In coi.e vsion, he maintained that the conduct of theiroveninient ui all the ca a which bad been referred to bv the huti. tut ml, for Sligo and Mallow had not been cauJa. a tuture to ju.tifyth peroration cf the miner or the amendment which be had rat on the paper, lie did nut tlieve that the speeches of those boo.

ruenbis would piodjcv in tbe mind of the House the conviction that the Insh tsant had little or no chance, aid that the pai offiilals had little or no danger, when It became duty of the Irish Executive Government to pro a eute one rr the other. And unless the Houoe believed "f1" proiofitaons be was ru that it would be alow to adortaaaiwaliuuit which wuull nnder it difficult and (Cheer7 repress crime in Ireland. Mr. P. J.

1WEH said that although be belonged to a party which bad Lad exceptional treatment at the bands of the House, and although Le had to speak on a subject which he knew was distasteful, he trusted that be should receive the indulgence which was always extended to a new camber. He felt that the majority preferred to le in 'ormed by gentlemen on their own side cf the House who. as they supposed, knew a great deal more about IrtUnl tEan the Irish members sitting near him did Eepresenting as be did a constituency which bad suffered loH and taut at the handa of the officials of the Government, he felt it bis duty to lay before the Houto soma of tie reiions which made tba Knglish rule.ai administered at Dublin Csstle.s9 hated acd detested by the Irish people la most cocnt ie tho object of all wise statesmen was to rule the country according to the views cf the majority. Mid to tee that tbe scales of justice were held evenly as regarded all claasea ot men. Unfortunately, these rules ere set at navght In Ireland.

They had one law for the poor, and another for tbe rich one law for those south of the lioyoe. and another for those north of it. (Irish cheers.) tbii country in, tho Crown oflicials and the Juda of uie laaj wre men who conducted the business of tbe rown to a way which was a cre4it to tbe country and the lonimution: in Ireland, on tho other band, it was very uiffereat. There all was givrnoiot for merit, but tor ptliti caj reaaons, and the Judges were thus ma.le partisan. Yet ty beard the cant on all sides that the Irish people were lctaj, tnder these circum stance, to have respect for wLl r' tlms ,0 io wu ,0 tnke tbe law respect.

It was impribl that the people aouM retpett law and order in Ireland when those who tbV.rJ0; Uok no Intnaat in n'T Tbe other night tho irT nsaoeU, speaking on the demind for an in vu'ry ta the Maamtraaua rax. had atrraledto Enclish ojsnioa, eoapletaly ifnorin that ot Ireland. Vr. BIGOAR supported the motion of the hon. ntmbar WT.

od declared that tbe Chancellor of tba Duchy of ocaster had not attempted to reply to some ot tho foogestpoiaUof bU hon. friend. ff 'f111 rf tk." kon "'mber's rrmarkxn nnroocess attempt waa Bade to count out tba House. Mr. B1GCAE, coaUauieg, called attention to tbe ders.

and severely censured thaGorern Jwy.but what waa done was by TacTJ! and partial Lord Spencer that XhsJb) banii sjrith Lord Wax lgsotnlntonaly dis miaaed treaa aa office which he bald la connexion with a Oosaserrativ Mwtpeprr. The Jadgea of tba country were to a great extent and It nt notorious cartiat Some years inxabM Chief Baron Niebelaoa leeaiJoJ at the Jadn and Jurv trials la tb tValhole, in a turning off tba BUsod. he eoadoctod the affairs of that assembly with snore, dignity than soma of tba Irish Jadgra displayVl ia their aoorts. Tba HrEAKER. 1 muat aak 'the boa.

member to moderate bis expressions and withdraw language reflecting on tba Jadgea ot tbe land. Mr. BIQGAK tvbat expression I The Sl'EAKER. The xprraaioca rtfiacting on the Judges of the land. (Cilca from tba Irish incanbera.

Wbat presaloos t'O If tba hon. ro ember does sot withdraw I shall have to take further notlra of his condoct, Mr. ItlGGAlt I really do not know what aa press loos yea refer to. If you will point them out 1 will explain or withdraw aa tbe case nay be. The srKAKEK.

Tbe hon. member has rejected in the moat unbecoming manner on tbe whole Bench of Jadgea la Irelandand ba aaid something of a rtry insulting nature re fleeting upon those Judges. Mr. lilOAH did not think the Speaker understood bim. What he had said was that a certain proportion of tbe Judge in I retard were of aa objectionable nature ba did lint say the whole of them.

He bad great respect for tnen likeObkf Just ice Justice Harrison, and Mr. Justice Andrews, and several others, but there were other res In Ireland whose rttvioct be could not defend. He hoped tho Government would ordef a thorough investigation into all the raws where proved jury lacking had taken place and thus make some reparation to outraged public opinion and the country. (Hear, bear.) Mr. LEAMY said that tbe te aprointment of Mr.

Oeorge Button to the position which he formerly filled in the department of Dublin Castle, which was concerned with the almlniatrationof the criminal that the Lord Lieut, nan and the Chief Secretary for Ireland were determined to set at defiance tho opinion of everv honest man in Ireland. The Lord Lieutenant could not drive through the streets of Dublin unaceompanied by sj escort of men armed to tho teeth. Th was the result of tho policy of repression and coercion instituted three years ago by a literal Governroent policy for which a Conservative Ministry would have been denounced by the entire Literal population Tba right hon. gentleman tho Chancellor of the rochy bad defcnJed the section of tho Crimes Act which enabled tho magistrates to I old private inquiries, and be had said th hon; member for Sfigo said that waa worse than the Star Chamber. Hut tbe right hon.

gentleman said he took a different view, and looked upon it as a means of finding out the truth. That was what tho members cf the tar Chamber saUrxl the men at the bead of the worat tribunal in the world would say tho same thing. In answer to anotberstatement ofthe hon. member forSligo, the right lion, gentleman had said that be could see no reason why, if a Freemason were put upon his trial. Freemasons, should be tabooed from the jury.

But be would like to ask the right boo. gentleman why, when be claimed that for the Freemasons Jie would refuse the same independence of mind to a man who happened to be a Catholic. (Hear, hear.) In all the trials that bad taken placemen had been' ordered to stand by, and be defied any man in Ireland to discover any reason why nine out of ten of those men should have been so ordered to stand by unless it was because they were Catholics. (Hear, bear.) So long as the Government administered tls criminal law in England in a different manner from that in which it was administered in IreJand.so loci theT must expect the People in Ireland to 'regard the administration of the law with distrust and haired. The Irish members.

However, were pea ting to a deaf House, because tbo Tory party, was satisfied to see tlem put upon by the Liberals, as they knew that it caused them to hat the Liberals snd the Liberal party was convinced that the present Ministry was incanable of dolus wronr. But as tbe Brime Minister had beeo found to have blundered In Egypt and South Africa and other tartt of tbe world, so ba would be found to have blundered in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BAKRY rose to emphasize some of the remarkable statements made in the letter of Mr. James Ellis French lie was mnrb struck by tbe light and airy manner in which the late Chief Secretary bad, passed over that part of the rase.

On more than one occasion the right hon. gentleman bad stood up in his place and defended Mr. French and it was not until be was driven by the gathering force of public opinion that be Lad taken any iWrs to bring that gentleman to justice. That night the right boa. gentleman bad spoken of French as a wretch, and bad used the strongest terms he could in reference to bim.

That was a remarkable change of front, because, afttr all, it must be admitted that the unfortunate man bad not yet been found guilty, and the casse of that chance ot front micht be found in tho letter. The letter was not written to intimidate, the Government it waa written French to a trusted friend, and It a mere accident came into the bands ot the Government. There fore, the attempt of the Chief Secretary to neutralize the impression made by it fell to the ground. Statements of the kind contained in the letter, coming as they did from one who Lad been a high and trusted official of the Crown, demanded searchint; inquiry on the cart of the Government. The leiter said.

Ivcw, as to the 1 tension, I think from the way I am treated by the Government, I will hesitate very much before I come to anv terms with them, and exi ose them as as I possibly can." When a man like French was in a position to talk of exposing the Government, it subjected them to very grave suspicions. A little farther on the letter said, If Bcid's letter came out. It would help to support the National Idea about Maamtrasna." That waa also a remarkable statement, seeing the position which Mr. lieid occupied, and considering that in all pro babilitv be would be tbe successor of Mr. Jenkinran.

The letter also aaid, Then there is Macderrcott and many others." Now, this Macdt rmott.it was said, wm a man engaged by French to get up Fenian conspiracies. He copeu xney wouia nave sumo vapiaaiauuua itviu iuc cvu eitor Gent ral bv and be with reference to the statements in this letter, and that be would give an assurance that the allegations would be thoroughly' and fairly investi rated. In this countrv thev bad teen told for the last three months that it was an ictolerable thing that the will of the people with' respect to the franchise should be obstructed by some 50 peers. But if that was an intolerable thing in England, waa it not still more intolerable that in Ireland the will of tbe people with regard to the administration of justice should be set at nought by one peer The Irish members might not be able to prevent that now, but they were able to expose it and the time would come when they would be strong enough to put an end to it. (Hear.) Mr.

MABUM' observed that It was impossible for as English gentleman to understand the state ofjf eeung in Ire' land without bearing In mind the history of the country and he would, therefore, proceed to give a short historica. retrospect. The hon. gentleman then quoted some para graphs from a work by Mr. passing in review some of the great landmarks in Irish history.

Beginning with tbe period of 1612, when the Insh leopl were first received into allegiance before that time they were named in all legal documents and Acta cl rarliament tbe Irish tnerav." and micht be murdered by a person of Enclish dem ent with Impunity he passed on to tb war of the Confederation in 1041, at the close cf which tbe property of tbe native rar was utterly confiscated then to the Revolu tion ol tW and tee Treaty oi unenct ana on to me reien of Uuicn Anne, when the penal laws were imposed. The hon. member was proceeding witb Lis historical references, when The SPEAKER reminded bim that bit remarks were not relevant to tbe question before tbe House tbe adminis tration of the criminal law In Ireland. Mr. MAKL'M aaid he crctjosed to make bis references relevant by showing that the introduction of th doctrine ox ascexaaexicT a inais iu axeiauta kuuoj eiw uitivr ferlinm with renrd to the nasi.

He desired to auote an old minute published by the Dublin Corporation. That minute set lortn me potmen oi iToiesuuiis in aieiana, and advised the Catholics to rest contest. The SPEAKER said be must, for tb second time, call tbe hon. gentleman' attention to the Irrelevancy of bis speech Mr. MAIiL'M said be would not pursue th matter farther.

All be desired to prove was that it would be wrong for the Government to do anything to rekindle tbe unfortunate difference which existed in tbe past with regard to religion. At the present time there was no commercial element in Ireland, and the result was that they bad partisan 'juries. In such a State ot things he preferred a trial before ttireo judges, witb a right of challenge. If tbe selection ot me jury was plaocd in tbe bands of tbe Judge, he should think the arrangement an eanitable one but to hand it over to the Crown, to officials whose reputation and credit depended on securing aTonvieticn, and to place in their bands an unlimited right of challenge, waa plainly unfair to the prisoners. It was only by criticism in that lloose they could call the attention of tho public to the injustice worked by the present system, and the ill feeling it created among the Catholic population, who were ordered to stand by and excluded from the jury box.

He had received great complaints on this head from many quarters. In ooecsae within his own knowledge a magistrate, having considerable jurisdiction in eases where be acted both as judge ordered to stand aide becausetie was a Catholic. In this way all the old and painful associations which bad eollected round tb difference in creed existing to Ireland wer revived, and tbe difficulty of administering justice and of disposing th people favourably to its administration greatly Increased. (Hear, hear.) Mr. A.

MOORE felt that It was only due to his constitu ents ana nis romutia mj i iug iu me csawieage ol me Government the widespread dissatlsiacflon which irevailed at the exclusion of Catholics from the jury box. doubt tbe Royal Irish Constabulary were a highly respectable body of men, but it was desirable that they should be kept under a well regulated system of control, especially In times of exceptional legislation. He wished to draw attention to the case of some publicans who decorated their houses on the occasion of a Nationalist meeting at Carrick on Suir. There was an old statute which made suah a proceeding illegal, and the publicans, on being summoned the court, were fined'2 apiece by the magistrates, who, however, recom aMtvded tbeea to appeal to th Board of Inland Rvenu for a remission ot the fine. A similar ease arose during the visit of the Baroneaa Burdett Coutta to a remote district in the south of the county rf Cork.

A number of publican were summoned for decorating tbeirjiouses, but tha magistrates refused to deal with the caaoyand dismissed the summonses en Woe. He wanted to. know who was responsible for these petty persecutions, which simply harassed tbe people into disloyalty. (Hear, bear.) With regard to lrisa prisons, tha report of tbe Royal Commission had caused great uneasiness as to the way in which they were inanaeed. Tbe Commissioners said there could be no dnnht that tie punishments were greatly in exrers of those in neted in r.ngusn prisons, aney.iitewise stated that the treatment of untried prisoners under remand waa moat tin.

satisfactory. Moreover, it appeared irom the report that there was an undoly large cumber of insane prisoners, par ticularly in lire convict prisons as Muuijoy ami rpike Island and it turned oat that in many case insanity followed the frequent repetition of punishments. In concl.yion, he amrsssad an aant bxroa tpt aomatdilBC. would snog pa don to Vrinf tbe lasiltntloau Isto aasstiiry eorB uoa (laar near.) Mr. V.

RKDMOXD adverted to tb fact that there war not mora than half a dmrn ncliah members th enureses I tn the House, and remarked that tt was, at all events, satisfactory to see on tb Treasury bench thrao English or Scotch gentlemea who bad been or were still corjooeted witb the administration of tb law ia Ireland. Tbe right boo. ctstle nun, tha newly appointed Chief Secretary, cane into office simultaneously witA we announcement vna reappoint lent of Mr. Bolton. Nothing could mora handicap him witb the Irian people than that step, or rouse a deeper feeling of indignation smoeg then).

Mr. Bolton had rendered bimsclf infamous, and bis re appcarance in office would be taken by the people of Ireland as a challenge. Tbey would say that the Government bad supported Bolton because the) were afraid of bim. The letter ot French, which bad so unexpectedly com to light, would strengthen that impression. French was on bis trial, and the jury bad not been able to aaree.

But be fully anticipated that French would be ac quitted and provided with a handsome stun of money to enable him to withdraw from the country. Mr. Bolton bad bcea liberated because ine uovernmeut were alrata wax ne would tnlSI bis threat of disclosing matters which it would bare been detrimental to their Interest to make public. If thepersons aeeused In the Cornwall caae were guilty of any offence it was one ot conspiracy, and yet the Government, Instead of indicting them together, indicted them separately, the consequence being that the wealthy and in nucnuai Jiersgns gvt vu, sum tuuee wiinout snune. friends, or position were convicted.

The rule ot Lord Spencrr had resulted in bis being unable to cross tbe street unless be was protected witb soldiers with drawn sabres. and even If the whole of the Royal Family, from the Oueen to the smallest understrapper at inusor, were to take up their residence In Dublin there would be the same suspicion and the Same trouble in the administration of justice in the country. The only thing that could bring peace tb Ireland waa to grant bar people liberty to rule mtmsclves. (iiear.j Mr. 1'LUNKLT said be bad listened attentively to thi debate.

He bad beard the hon. member for Siigo's speech. and also that of tho Chancellor of tho Duchy of Lancaater. 1 le desired to an Impartial All the topics that had been raised by the hon. member for Sligo bad really been discussed over and over again tbe only new feature appeared to be that connected with tbe prosecution ot Mr.

French. He did tot question the sincerity of hon. ucnirerf, but be must point out mat the statements that they made were exceedingly calculated to prejudice tho trial of such eases as were still pending. (Hear, bear.) How could the House ot Commons re try Mr. lomwall and Mr.

French! Mr. Cornwall bad been acquitted. If had been convicted he would have had to bear the penalty, and being bow acocittedbewasentitledtobeconsideredinnocent. (Hear.) as to ths general charges against the juries, they bad beard those ohargta tnado several times before. (Hear, hear.) hver since tbe unnus ace was passed and convictions began to be obtained, those charge against the jurors bad been made.

But they had never been substantiated. It waa now said that freemasonry was at the bottom of these unjust verdicts. He was bimsclf a freemason, and the idea that freemasonry influenced jurors In their verdicts appeared to him to be a piece of the wildest imagination. It was no disclosure for bim to say that all matters of politics and religion were left outside the door ot the freemason's lodge. (Hoar, bear.) He felt quite sure that he could not.

at a contested tbe vote of any single fievmasou who was a Liberal (laughter and 11 ear, and it was absurd to say that freemasonry considerations would influence jurors in considering the guilt or innocence ot a prisoner bclor tuem. (Uear, boar.J Irish jurors had been exposed, cot only to very severe eritisiams. They bad bad to do their duty under perjetual danger to their property and their lives (hear, hear), and bo Delivvedtbatwbatever imprcveme.ni bad occurred in ireuna was due to tha courageous manner in which jurors had done their dutv. iCheera.) With considerable knowltxlf of Irish opinian.be asserted that no impartial person is Ire land believed Vbat Ino juries sau given uioir vera let irom anv feelinz of rebtical and religious sympathy. Oh and "llcar.bear.") On most subject connected withthe government of Ireland it had been bis misfortune to condemn the i oliey of the Government step by step.

He thought that much of the responaibility for tbe recent misfortunes of that country must be placed on the Government. (Hear.) But that was not tbe subject under discussion now, and be gav it as bis unbiased opinion that tbe charges made against tbe Government on the present occasion had not been substantiated, and that the Government appeared to have done their utmost to seeure a conscientious adminis tration of the law in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) Mr. KENNY thought that freemasonry Lad to a great extent influenced me verdict of the special jurors. Irish freemasonry was very different from Eugiish freemasonry (hearl ia fact, as different as was Lcglish freemasonry from Continental freemasonry.

LI ear.) He thought that the discussion wsa very appropriate because it coincided with the notification made by the Chief (Secretary that Mr. George Bolton bail been restored to his position as jury packer in chiet In Dublin Castle. Air. uoiton naa been wbiiewaaueu oy tse moral oftciaJs of Dublin Castle and they micht now look forward in these case of treason felony and conspiracy to murder to Mr. Bolton being left to pursue his ancient devices, and to packed juries leing sent to try men dragged from remote villages throughout the country.

He complained, that on tho most tricing evidence men had been sentenced to penal servitude for lite oj special juiors, supws vt sua aaiegastuu the case of tho brothers Delahuntv. who were tried at Cork. The system of jury packing adopted in Ireland would, be felt sure, never bo tolerated in their own country by tbe people ot England. It was, however, almost useless to call attention in that House to tho maladministration of justice in Inland, because it was only by the occurrence of startling events that the minds of the eople ot England were directed to tbe condition of affairs in Ireland. But be looked forward with hope to tho time when tbey would have an opportunity of putting au end to a Government whose policy bad not been, as ono of its members boasted to steer an even keel and to do justice between man and men, but to bang innocent men and to shield official reprobates of the worst type.

COLONEL O'BEIRNE protested against what had fallen from the right bon. gentleman tbe member for Dublin Uni versity, witb regard to reemaaonry in Ireland. It waa a mistake to suppose that Freemasonry was the same thing in Ireland as In England. In Ireland it was simply equivalent to Oramreiam. Mr.

DEASY maintained that the Crime Act had caused (r at iriuaviuu iu sue suusu us iiciuiu. vwiuwujd manner in which it bad been administered by the magis trates mere. Tbe SOLICITOR GENERAL for IRELAND said he had listened with great attention to the arguments that bad been adduced by bon. members opposite in support of the motion of the hon. member for Sligo, but ho thought that tome matters bad been Introduced into the debate which the House would not expect him to deal with.

The question of tbe administration of Irish prisons did not appear to bim to come within the terms of the motion, although the question wan a large and an Important one and deserving of substantial consideration. Nor did be think that the question cf the way in which pnblio meetings were dealt with in Ireland was raised on the present issue. But few meetings bad been suppressed, and those that had been prohibited had been suppressed on principles that have been applied throughout with impartiality and conslstetrfy. Tbey bad been prohibited either ca tbe ground that out rages bad been committed in tbe aisinct in they were to be' held, or that outrage were to be apprenendod should tbe meetings be held. Any one wh bad read tha reports in the newspapers during tbf! recess must have come to the conclusion that the right of free speech in Ireland bad been largely exercised by manv persons, ivo impeacnmenta naa neon maue against tbe Government by bon.

gentlemen tbe first was that the Executive bad used the Crimes Act and tbe powers conferred by it, and tbe second that tbey bad used those powers in an unfair manner. So far bad hon. gentlemen gone that tbey asserted that tha Government had wilfully and intentionally packed juries in order that Innocent men might be convicted. (Hear, hear.) With regard to tbe first point, when it wa proposed in the Crimes Act that there should be given to the Executive power to change tbe venue and to examine witnesses withont ths presence of the accused, these matters were fully discussed, and after full discussion these powers were given. It was, therefore, tbe duty of tbe Government to pot them In force, and they would have neglected their duty if, when occasion required, tbey bad not done so.

Why bad the vonues been changed It was to take away the cases from all local prejudices, and to bring them before a jury thoroughly impartial, ho knew none ot tbo parties, and who beard tbe facta for the first time from the lips of the witnesses. It bad been said that th snecial iurors of Dublin were Incapable of trvins the cases fairly because they regarded the prisoners with political, social, and religious prejudices. Now, was it to he for a moment supposed that the special jurors of Dublin, comprising not only gentlemen, but merchants, would view with prejudice a case ia which" Coonemara or Monster peasant was accused of murdering another It passed a slur, too, upon the Roman Catholics of Ireland, many of wboxn were sis inesus.io say was tuey coiuu aos serve with their brother Protestants without sharing ia their prejudices, and that tbey were incapabl of trying men fairly. A a for the allegation that there waa a combination to put I'sotestant on the juries, be might point to the fact that the Attorney General for Ireland was a Roman Catholic, and that tha two geutlemen associated withhim, the Crown Solicitor and the Crown Brosecator, were also Roman Catholics. Mr.

CALLANssked whether at tbe time the jury mainly referred to was empanelled the Crown Solicitor and the Crown ITcsecutor were Jtomaa ivauuucs. Th SOLICITOK GKNERAL for IRELAND said be was speaking cf the state ol things at present. At this moment evry on connected with the administration of tha crimi nal law in JJUOiin. except mmssu, waa a ataman vatbolie. Mr Cornwall had bean mokes of as an official of tha Pa.tl.

bot he bad nothing whatever to do with the Castle; be wa an official of tbe rosf omce. xnen toe complaint was made by bon. members that all those persons accused of different conspiracies, different Crimea, and different acta were not joined la one charge. But every ana who knew anjthing of law knew that su Ji a course was perfectly impossible. It was said that the Crown had tried to screen Cornwall.

The chars was preposterous, eonaidering that Cornwall had been tried foe felony at tb instigation of the Grown. It wa said on the other side that the Crown had presaed th charge unduly. Tbe last ehirg brought (gainst the authorities was that out of 13 jurors who tried Cornwall 11 were freemasons and consequently biased in. bis favour, and that if a proper use bad been made of the right of challenging jurors this would not hart happened. In reply to that, be had to say tsat tbe jurors who tried the ease were the fir 12 who were called out of a Terr large panel, and that it wa incredible that of It men so chosen 11 should be freemasons.

He maintained that tb representatives of the Crown examined every available witness. Tbe verdict of the jury was equivalent to a verdict ot Not proven, and it wa nlain that such a verdict waa aHvesa beeatasa tha jury were uarwilUng to plea issplklt ooendeoce In the evidence of Taylor and Johnstan.lnpf reafd jtkt jrM whieh their testimony bad been procured, and to th fact that they had beea reduced to estate of abject terror by the man wba Indnmwl Wn in hrramat witnesses. As to tba comments cpon the absence of the Crown counsel from th trial, he himself anuld not have been there a was la town at the time, and hi friend the Attorney Genera had gone Into Sligo to condoct a very important prosecution there. Hear, hear." from the Iriah members.) Ser jeant Hemphill, therefore, a most eminent member of the Bar, was retained to conduct the prosecution. As re Crded th letter of Mr.

French, that letter was actually used and put is by th Government against Mr. French for two reasons first, because it showed conclusively that Mr. French was sane and, seoondly, because it contained a threat acainst tha Government, and. in his CTOinioa.no Government would be worthy of the name of Government worn iney obtained possession oi a letter enarging mem with improper conduct, they refrained from nsing it. As to tbe letter of Mr.

Keod, wbiea wa referred to in Mr. French's letter, and upon which so much stress had bees laid br the bon. member for Sliro. according to the best information be could obtain: there never was any such letter in existence. Oh from tbe I nan members.) He quite sgread witb tbe bon.

member for Sligo that every effort should be made to secure jurors who would act fairly, impartially, and with a desire to arrive at a right and proper verdict. That was the object of the Crown Prose cutor. The House, however, should remember the manner inwnaca Jurors Lad been treated, ana me uimcuJUes UDOr which the authorities bad laboured in obtaining good panels. He submitted that tbe Crown ought not to be blamed for trying to get honest, fair, and impartial juries, and for endeavouring to free jurors from the Influence of terrorism and fear. Catholics, no doubt, had been ordered to stand aside la many eases, but that was no slur upon them.

(Cheers.) The set was, a complaint in regard to this matter bad been pat forward, not by them, but for them. (Cheers.) The Executive had so more to do witb ordering jurors to stand aside than anv Emrlish member in that House bad. The difference between the state of Ireland not long ago ami now at to tho prevalence of crime was tribute to ine fairness with which the la bad been administered, and the merchants and gentlemen who bad done their duty in the face of abuse were entitled to the thanks of tha commu nity. (Hear, hear.) Mr. J.

H. M'CARTHY moved 'the adjournment of the debate. Mr. I'ARNELL said he had booed theT micht have beard tieoeus vme.4 oecrciauj, wuv, vj i' office, had, to a great extent, made himself responsible for tbe doings of bis predecessors. The questions which were involved in the motion were of the gravest moment sad weight, and demanded consideration quite as urgently as the Franchise Bill.

Mr. GLADSTONE. I feel it to be my duty to offer a de cided opposition to the motion. (Cheers.) We have heaad two reasons offered for it. One is that tha present Chief Secretary has not taken part in the debate.

That is perfectly true but he has no special responsibility for what has oc cuxred in Ireland, and the right hon. gentleman who has such special responsibility ha spoken at length as has also tbe legal adviser ot the Crown. The other reason is that the subject is important. No doubt it is Important but there are other important subjects awaiting tbe discussion of this House, and, if they were raised, they might occupy us a twelvemonth. But the debate on tbe Auarcs is not the occasion for discussions merely because tbe subjects are important.

It that principle is to be applied and Is even being applied, to an extent that threatens to be fatal to the dignity and the efficiency of the House (cheers), I can only say that a hew revolution would be introduced into Parliamentary life. We have bad eight days on the Address. Parliament was called by the Crown tor a special purpose, and to give its immediate attention to that purpose. The House, having exhibited very great latience already, we are not aoie to agree to this indefinite extension oi mis debate, ana i trust and hope will, by a large majority, refuse this motion. (Cheers.) Mr.

HEALY said that the opinion of the Irish members was not that of the Government. Tbo lives and liberty of their countrymen were of much greater importance to their countrymen than the possession of votes at quinquennial elections. Tbo Solicitor General bad made his speech to an absolutely empty Treasury Bench, snd tbe Speaker was obliged to put the question without a word from the Government. But then the member of the Government came trooping in by preconcerted arrangement (Irish cheers) from unknown quarters, where they had been staying, when they would have been better employed in listening to tho debate. The motion of bis hon.

friend was made distinctly on the ground that tbey bad not had sufficient time to discuss that question. One single night only, rom 5 to 12, bad been ocsupled. It was imposfiblo to say that the motion was not reasonable in view ot the extraordinary revelations made bv Inspector Frcnch. Throe or four nights wero not considered too much to discos the condition of things in an. ot scuro corner of South Africa, yet one night was considered enough for discussing questions affecting the happiness of 6,000,000 of Irishmen.

He laU himself been anxious to speak earlier, but he wished to hear the Solicitor General, and bo desired to hear the new Chief Secretary give bis short experience of Dublin Castle. He hoped the session would not be allowed to begia with a wrangle, lasting till' 2 or 3 in the morning, with the Government resisting time after time, only at last, perhaps, to give way. They would finish the debate to morrow, and then if they could square the shipowners (laughter), the Government might take the Franchise Bill on Thursday. Even the Tories could not wish to debate the second reading of the Bill more than three nights, and the division might be taken this day week. Ha appealed to the Prime Minister to act in an amicable manner and.

agree to the adjournment. (Irish sheers.) Mr. LEAMY maintained that the necessity for prolong the debate was dne to the vanity of the Irish Solicitor General In refusing to speak during the dinner boar. Mr. O'BRIEN asked hon.

members opposite, who were so proud in their sense of remember that what was a mere party question to them was one of life or death In Ireland, lie urged that a continuance of the debate was necessary to enable them to prove to the House that English rule in Ireland rested upon infamy and corruption. The hon. member, after being twice called upon by the Speaker to confine his remarks to the motion for the adjournment, was called upon by bim to resume his seat. Mr. SEXTON, who was received with loud cheers from the Irish members, said it was witb extreme regret which, he thought, would be shared to morrow by members ot the right hon.

gentleman's own political party, that he saw the Prime Minister guided and controlled, be believed, by some intelligence less competent than bis own, enter upon the tooree which be bad announced that night. The Prime Minister had laid before th House the importance of some question which was to be discussed in tbe future. Whatever its importance, one sitting more or less would not affect its dunces of success but he would ask the Prise Minister whether the coarse be was now pursuing would improve the chances of that question. From the point of view of Irish members, the question they were discussing was of much greater importance than that mentioned by the Prime Minister. (Cheers from the Irish members.) U.

wu himself personally interested in this matter, for be had on several occasions pressed for information as to the trial of 11 persons who were constituent of bis. and ho thought that the debate ought not to close before tbey had Information a to whether these men were to be treated by tba prosecution in the same manner aa Mr. Cornwall. Tbe Tubbercurry prisoners The SrEAKER called the hon. member to order, and said be was not addressing himself to the only point before the House namely, the adjournment of the debate.

(Cheers.) Mr SEXTON, continuing, said the speech of the Chancellor "of the Duchy was an academlo speech that did not touch the real qnestions at Issue. The speech of the Solicitor General, on the other hand, went fully into details to which the member for Cork desired to reply. He as the less Incline! to bow to this opposition to the adjournment, because ho believed it waa the result of an arrangement that Liberal members should Hock ia and oppose the adjournment. The 'SPEAKER is my duty again to call tha boo member to ordr. (Load cries of "Oh, oh'" from th Irish members.) must ask hon.

members to observe silence while I am addressing the House. (Cheers.) nstwarn the hoa. member that this is the second time I have ealld him to order, that be has twice deviated from the abject, and tut doessoagaia it will my duty to take another course. (Cheers.) Mr SEXTON said the humblest member in tbe House alio had duty a duty to bis constituents. (Cheers.) He was respectfully end reasonably laying before the House reasons in support cf the adioumment.and if in so doing he reasons in support ci me aaioummens.ana in so doing be had incurred the Speaker's displeasure he would very gladly welcome any penalty which Mr.

8peakr might place upon him. (Cheers.) He believed that it was aa arraogement that members should fiock La end resist the motion for the adjournmentand be hoped bis friends would persist witb It. (Hear, bear.) Mr7 'W. RDf05D and Mr. Bloom supported th motion for adjournment.

Mr A. O'CONNOR protested against tbe unconstita Uonai argument used by the Prime Minister that tbe Crown had summoned Parliament for aa autumn sesaion sad had enjoined upon it tbe consideration of a particular' measure, Mx OLADSTONB denied that he had spoken of tb Crown bavin? enjoined tb conalderaticn ot a measure npun the House. The i expressloa junction however, had escaped him. and he now wished to withdraw it, MrVBaJsRT. Mr.

KnrxT, But J. M'Kxxja, and; Mr. DatUT supported tbe smendment. sr. vpaRTON smzrested that as tb nresent amend.

meet on tb Address would be finished to morrow, tolerably erly ia the evening after the delivery of two or three soeebe, th Government Blight give way. Then th debate on tbe Address might be finished to morrow, and the report received, sod then the franchise debate would begin Hr J. REDMOND thought it most unreasonable for th Government to limit to on Blgbbate oa th whole ad ministration or taw an truu as vwua arrre ua aiun nartr to dot another amendmefisto tha Address an th (Hear, bear.) jfr. POYVavn uppnrtsa sue twtjon aor uae adjournment u. nk T.l V.

In nDDOrtins tbe SBassdmeat. wu aarera i'nlsl to order by the Sneaker, and was nltimatahr required to resume hi seat. Mr. OHELLY having spoken, iw T. O'CONNOR replied to the Prim Minister's nsuat, that all important cxestioos could not bf debated on th Address, by urging mat thia was a qnestioa for whieh" aa0tSwopporsuaut7 wvusujajos aaieiwea bj tuw Go rernnvsnt.

If the Goeeraaaent would gracefully yield, tho coraccaaaoa would not be takes unfair adraatag el. Mr. M'CARTHY hoped the Government would respond aa the enenstiea tost mad. MaJIQUaJY Brged that the Xzita anaahea vjnjs titled to hear the preaenl Chief Secretary, and to judge whether aay change of poOcy wasUteaded. Mr.

GRAY urjid upon tha Government that if they yielded to the wishes of the Irish members it woeid econo sue, aw uss nisensstoa wotaaa esuy law a sew boot I it they were refused they would debate it at Uagth a th report. Mr. OOataOXS, COLOSaX KOLAJT, Mr. top. M4wf St.

I raiment. The Bouse divided and tho rmmbers were Tor the adjoboTiaiat. Against in Majority S3. lfr nMTWmW a sidered it their duty to take the seam gibe House aauast in custom oi accumulating so much discussion on the i Mtp. but having entered that protest they would now consent to the edjocrn The debate was then adjourned, and, Tha House adjourned at 20 minutes to 3 o'aloek Mr.

Crejke, M.P., has paired with Ylsccmnt Emlvn, M.P., for the week ending November tr. Mr. F. T. Marvin.

M.P.. write to sav that he naired against Lord Randolph Churchill's motion on Thursday last with air. a. ueusx lor. OVER PRESS UBB IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

TO THE EDITOR OF: THE TTHT.S. Sir, The persistency with whieh Dr. Crichtcn Brown claims the support of the majority of tha medical profession for his views on over pressure in elementary schools calls for some protest from thoM who do not agree with him. I can claim for myself and a considerable aoraber of 'medical men with whom I have discussed the subject a perfectly independent and expectant attitude, and in this attitude we are' supported by two out of th tare medical journals name ly, tbe AnAaA Metani Journal and tb Medical Tines and, farther, I bar little hesitation in saying that the majority cf the pro fessionhave formed no definite opinion on the subject, as tbe materials for Its important consideration have not been laid before them. I may add that I hare had a very large acquaintance with children both in schools snd in hospital practice, and that the method suggested by Dr.

Browne for supervising the health of school children namely, by weighing and measuring them is entirely based on soma observations which I have collected and published, as wQl be seen on referring to Dr. Browne article on education a tha work entitled Health," recently published. I am. Sir, your obedient servant, CHARLES ROBERTS, FJLCJS. Boltoa rew, Msjfair, W.

TixrriLancz nr nnAm. special meetinjf convened by the Army Division of tbe Church of fnc' Temperance Society, was held yesterday in the library of Lambeth Palace, the Bishop of Rochester presiding. There was a crowded audience, which included a large number of soldiers. Tho Rer. Canon Ellison, founder and chairman of the society, said that soldiers were subject to special temptations to drink, both at the canteens in the barracks and outside the barracks.

Hence a branch of tho society was formed to counteract those temptations. Last year 1,30 rates of drunkenness In the Army were tried by courts martial there were 4,414 convictions for crimes which were indirectly caused by drunkenness and iokh, or iir. soldiers in every were mulcted in their pay for intemperance during the year. The chairman, in moving a resolution warmly commending the temperance work among soldiers, as of the highest importance only to the soldiers as individuals and the Army as a wnoie, put especially in view oi tbo scon service system to the nation at large, alluded to the encouraging and satisfactory growth which that society was making not only la this country but in other parts of tbe world. For three years in succession be bad spent bis holiday in the United States, doing his best to establish there an Episcopal vnurcn aocieiy, upon mo trnyi, mouei and the dual basis upon which the society was formed union and cooperation, on perfectly equal terms, between those who used and those who abstained from intoxicating drinks was rrgaraed with enthusiasm in America as a successful solution cf a difficulty, long felt.

Nothing, ia his opinion, could lie done more wisely and thoroughly to improve the position and character of tbe British soldier than the promotion of the work of temperance in tbe Army. Fieid Marshal Lord Napier of Mgdala, ia seconding the resolution, taid that during his command of the armies of India his attention was called to the action of that society, which be found to be the greatest support of good discipline and good conduct. An examination of the records of soldiers offences showed him that nearly all originated in intemperance. In a record of the offentes of 19,000 men, which he had specially prepared, he found that total abstainers were wholly guiltless of crime, that partial abstainers were practically so, and that the whole body of crime wu among tbe non sUtainers.Lieutenant Colonel Walker and Captain John' Revill supported the resolution, which was unanimously adopted, and votes of thanks to the Primate for the use of the room, to the chairman, and speakers closed the proceedings. VicrroKLaJi Railwats.

Tho report of tho Board of Land and Works of Victoria for the year ending the 31st of December last derives special interest from the fact that it is tbe last report which will be issued by the Minister for Railways. By the Victorian Railway Act of 1883, the management of the Victorian Bute Railways ba been vested in three Railway Commissioners, and thisjbody wui in luture present, prepare, ana oe responsible (or the annual report which whl be submitted to the Legislatore by the Minister, The total capital invested in tbe construction and purchase of tbe miles ot railway now in existence in Victoria is 21,488.064, of which was expended during tbe year. Tbe average number of miles opened during the year was 142. from which it follows that the cost of construction was about per mile. Taking the whole system, the cost stands at about 13,000 not higher certainly than the cost of our own lines, but much more than the average cost of constructing foreign railways.

Brazilian railways at present are being constructed at 7,000 per mile, and the Indian Government, in presenting evidence before the Select Committee of the House of Commons of last Session, put tbe probable cost of constructing future railways in India at 8,000 a mile. The total amount of interest paid away on the capital stated, in 1883, waa but the actual profit earnings realized only 024J3 80 a deficit of 230.611 to be met from tbe Consolidated Revenue. Tha net earnings were equal to 2D1 per cent, on the total cost ot construction. The total receipt for the year amounUd to or aa of 1175 over the revenue of the preceding year. The expenditure, however, showed a still larger Increase ot 175,322, leaving a worse result than that obtained in 1882, by 58,089.

This was caused by a larger outlay in repairing and improvinrfthe lines, the additional outlay being 131.561. The ratio of working expenses to revenue wsa 6711 per against 6TC8 per cent; In 1882. The corresponding figure for tbe United Kingdom Is 63 per and that for India 43 C2, showing that the cost of working Victorian railways is eotzparatively high. This, however, might be expected in the caae of railway system which. Includes a large proportion of new mileage which cannot yet be expected to pay.

The most satisfactory feature is the expansion of the traffic. Pas senger receipts show sn increase of 73,286, and goods an increase of 41.000. the on prominent decrease beins? one of 3,588 in carriage of live stock. Tbe whole railway system ol tbe ccionj is divided into nve sections, snd separate accounts are kept for each. Tbe North Eastcrn system is the most profitable, yielding 685 per and the Hob oo's Bay line tb least so, returning only 143 per cent.

Rxcx sa Ci Fauurcx. Tbe racing season in France terminates at Bordeaux this week, and for the next four or five months the cross country meeting at Anteuil, Vincenne. and Nice will have tbe field to themselves. Th sport of th year has, open tbe whole, been of average interest, and the principal three year old race ero well contested. The death of Count do Lagrange at tbe close of the previous season necessitated the sal of hi stud, and Archidac, who wa on of the best two year olds of 1883, passed into tbe hands of M.

Lefsvre, bis nominations for the great English race being void. Archiduo and Fra Diavolo were regarded at that time as the most promising candidate for tba French Derby, but Fra Diavolo waa drugged by some of the betting men just before bis first race, and as Archiduo very easily defeated a colt called Little Duck, from th Due Castries' stable, who bad not run as a two year old, but bad made a very successful dibui when they first met, bis victory at Cbaa tilly was regarded a a foregone ecoelnaion. Bat Little Dock turned the tables upon him in tb most decisive fashion in that race, and Fra Diavolo, who had partially recovered from the effect of hi drugging, was third. Archiduo was not qualified to' ran for the Grand Prix de. Paris, and ia that race Little Dock'seccred another victory for tbe Do Castries, beating with tha utmost ease Mr.

Viyner'a Tb lambkin, who afterwards woa th St, Lege at Doncaster, Fra Diavolo being again third. The Dao de Castries won both races last year with Frontin, and it is singular that both Frontin and Little Duck should have gone wrong soon after running tbe Grand Prix de Paris sad hare been unable to fulfil their autumn ecgagtmenta. Such was the case, however, sad, in th absence ot little Duck and Archidue, Fra Diavolo won the French fit. Lege at Archidue beat him very easily ia Parte for the. chief ot th astnma prize.

It waa apon the strength of this performance that Archidue was made a great favourite for tbe Oesarewitch and Cambridgtsbire Handicap at Newmarket, but had doo a hard season's work sad did not ran so well as had been expected. At th saas time, it cannot admit of aay doubt that these threecoltowetm.wai at their best, verv sooerior to tbe other three veax oLU France, ana the probability is, judging from the result ef th raca run in thia autumn, that the twe ear old of thia season will nt turn out nearly so well. Vevy few race of Importance, except the Grand Prix de Pari, are opea to horse bred out of France, but the most Impartaat ol tWs which are, the Grand Prix da won by Trirtra. who, though the property of M. Lefrvre, was bred by the Earl of Boialra.

In Essex. Tristan had woa thia raeeon the two prevton oo asirws, and he baa since, hssanias the stud. The condition of the French turf at the cJo ot the see sim cannot truthfully dwribed as satisfactory, tor several ease ot fraud have beea detected among tb jock vs. exclusive of the drugging of X. Aomoct's Fra Diavolo, and the suburban meetings, which are held ia defiance of th Joeke dab rule, hav not yet beea sup pvaent, uatNgu it ae univexmuy leu and aexnowsedged tnat thev have been, tha naus AAuW K.

rJ all who hav to do with them, beeidea cxarcisiac a most baneful affect upon the breed of barsac. Tbera are stgaa, however, of soroe active steps being avkza kth by tbo Jockey Qab and tho palace, aad Utheee trust fgi are aut BCARBOBOVQH ELECTION'. It proeawfng xtrday were marked raora zixexaeat than ha been wita id la Seaibji'jugb fee it ejection pas. telegram from privet sotaree reached bit George Sitwsil on Sunday to tho affect that General Gordon had beea captured. Ibis Waa speedily promulgated, aad a general (Iiag of arrow overspread tb town.

Tbo poll opened yesterday moraiag at I o'aloek. aad shortly (itarnrds Liberal placard war issued entitled Sunday lies," which tbey met by" Mood jr truth "mm ahap of a telegram from Mr. S. W. Hamil 'on.

Foreign Office, Downiag street, to Mr. W.S. Cain, M.P., stating:" la reply to your telegram to Lord Richard Grosveaor, tb news about Gordon' capture is put la cam lation by a Paris journal. There ha been no confirmation whatever of it, and you may certainly clirxwlitit' Thi waa followed by aaothor from Lord R. Treasury, to Mr.W.

Caine, P. Report of capture Khartoum and Gordon evidently a French cesacoctioti and, not believed by aay London paper this morning. On tbo contrary, authentic news appear to be that be mad a sortie aad repulsed the rebels, aad ha plenty of provi" sicna." This distinct denial the previous Coaaerv stirs telegram elicited another ia rtply.totae effect that tha Khedive on Saturday night telegraphed ta the Queen the a Gordon wa a prisoner and that Khartoum was taken. Two or three hours later a telegram from Lord R. rosvenor wa issued declaring that this statement waa absolutely untrue.

With these coufiicticg statements before them tha elector had much hesitation in voting. A great deal of excitement prevailed during the whole of the day. aad a good deal ot rough fun and chaff waa indulged in. but no breech cf the peace np to polling time had occurred. Bias favours predominated tha whole of.

the day, especially about the harbour, where the fishermen poUed ra large numbers for Sir George tiitwell oa account ef the part taken by the Government la the pasting of the Fishing Boats Act. Lord Londesboroogh arrived in the town by the half past 1 o'clock train from Market Weightett, and was received with peat enthesiaam at the statfoa. Many tradesmen eloeed their places of business snd a number of employer gav their workmen a holiday. Consequently, throughout the day larre crowds of welldressed. orderly people perambulated tbe principal thoroughfares evidently taking a deep interest in tbe proceedings.

Tbo result of the poll waa declared at 43 minute past 9 o'clock and was as follow Steble 1,803 Sitwell 1,8. Libcral majority H3 Both candidate subsequently briefly addressed their con stituents. At the general election in 1SS0 tbo number were Sir H. Johnston (L). 247: Mr.

W. 3. Caine (Cb 2JX5 LieutCoL Cookson (C), UXl and Sir C. Legard. IeX In July following, on Sir H.

Johnstone accepting the Chntern Hundreds, Mr. Dodsoa was elected, when the numbers were Mr. Dodson, 1,828 and Mr. A. Dua combe (0, 1.G0C.

Lieutenant Colooel Richard Fell SteUe, of Bamsdsto Bank, Scarborough, who has been elected, in the Liberal interest, SU the vacancy caused by tbe elevation of Mr. Dodsoa to the peerages is a son of th late Rev. John Hodgson Stable. li of Queen's College, Cambridge, formerly of Whicham, Cumberland. Colonel SUble waa born in the year 1835, and was educated at Rossaii College, near Fleetwood, Lancashire.

He passed hit examination for tbe law in Hilary Term, 1858. and practised for a few years as a solicitor in Liverpool. For 14 year he served aa a member of the Liverpool City Council, aad twice during that period filled the Mayorsity nameIy, ia 1874 75 and 1375 4 6. Colonel Stable is a magistrate tor the county ot and for tbe city of Liverpool and a liuienaa eolonel (retired) of tbe 1st Lancashire Rifle Volunteers II married in 1864 Elizabeth, second daughter of the lata Mr. John Barrett, of Holywath, Cooiiton, Lancashire, bu waa left a widower in 1880.

Colonel Stable, who now enter Parliament far tbe first time, is the 117th new member returned to SL Stephen' suai the last general election. His return on the craseat occasion mates no difference in the balance of parties in the House, the lata, member being also a LiberaL A FEW WORDS ON TBE BOUSE OF LORDS. TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES. Sir, Parliamentary history offers many contrasts, but none so striking as the attitude of the Tory majority in tbo House of Lords towards the Franchise Bill aad their attitude towards the Settled Land Bill of 1882. That measure, which jnactically abolished entail and brought' down landed estate to the level of mere personalty, passed the House without a word, and went throngs tbe Com mons without opposition Tbo Act (the most radical of late times) was initiated by Tories, and only escaped general public attention because the fundamental change it most work la English society wer not understood by tbe people at large.

Yet the very same Terr, majority have upset tbe country by opposing tbe Franchise which, if passed, would have mad at least no greater change lathe Constitution than tbe practical abolition of entail win make. Whatever fate tbe Franchise may meet witb this session, it is greatly to be feared, even though th Bill be passed at one, that the bitter feeling created among tho masses against the House of Lords will strike deeper root than the Opposition imagine. All sorts of big blows and Iittl knocks are now dealt freely against what Is still with. tb majority of Englishmen a very popular institution. Probably tbe bulk of our countrymen who are not swayed by agitation desire tbe peers to remain as tbey are lai privilege, and weald apply tbo motto to than "Sint st sunt eat noo suit." But among the agitators it is said 11 titles remain.

aad the House of Lords eeasa to be." Those who speak thas do not realize the dislike of the great body of English men to a tinsel aristocracy and meaningless peerage. Just as the vote for tho Head of the Church is tbe founda tion of all tba dignity of the purple of a cardinal, and; deprived of that be would have no pwtition of power, so tha Parliamentary vote is tbe very fountain and origin oC all the honour of tha British peerage, giving a meaning toi the numerous titles that are bestowed by courtesy a leading ap to tbe possession of tho rot. Tho pablio do not wish it otherwise. Some, not agitators. iav Let there ba nf peerages.

Exceptional as they are at present tbey are popular, bat merely as exceptioas. A man who has toiled long ia political lif does not wiah bis iildren, if he ha any, toi be deprived of his nobility when be himself has beea ennobled. If be ha no children it Is different. When Horace Walpol on tbe brink of tha grave, a rriiMlcss old was told that he had succeeded to tho rldom ol Of ord he could only say, Tis an empty xoatamorphosia. Let them call me Lord Tinsel coronets aad lif peerages I England withe ton Bon Of tflese coaages.

nat jugiaua expect tana ntitt4 is that every peer should be a Whig. Witb regard to th example of religious tlrstloa set try the two Houses, there I a strange difference. Creak Britain (with tbe sol axeeption oi Berwick on Tweed, which by en add Irony call itself out cf Great Britain steadily refusee to return a nagt Cetholio to tbo Corn mons, but the same Great Britain approves ef 31 Catholic) in the Lords, all boldict their seats br Enxliah or United) Tprtr title, (for there 1 ao representative Cetholloj peer). To day TU Tiwut announce that another ttholta is to enter the Coper House that make S3. In a few.

days the first Catholio priest since th BeformatJon In, Parliament will take his seat in the House of lrds(Lor4 PstreJ. To tho) rlmdani who breath is agitation and their life "A storm whereon they ride to sink st last, how fall of warning should be the word of that great man Richard Cobdcn Let no one for a momcnl suppose that I wiah to pull down our ancient aristocracy, dWended from tbo Kormao and Plaatageoets, aad ta set up in ita place an aristocracy from the middle eiasee not leas elfUa.nattiter.' I am. Sir, yea bedlettt aerrant, October (0. BZAxTL OUR AGRICULTURAL PROSPECTS. TO THS EDITOR 0T THS TOCBJ.

rlbv la rent to Professor Tlorold Sogers Xdaafra aa say that be has mtirely miawpprviieadad th aoctT which prompted to writ thefletter wnien appeared a zaaj Xists of the 31st alt. nhav no dUUkewUtcrertoProfassorBofersj itistohlj t.liwg r. inrmtf gtnltnvl matter that I abiaeia and these statements I eoatroverted, a 1 now do hi taaark that countrv rentlemen as a class those whom they 'say unefva things ol Ia my Utter, which did no intend to be fa any way personal. I am not aware was WTOS aay thing uncivil of Professor Rogers. I now repeat that such extravagant trntltTMitrtl a that th proposed Bill would, by the sarlwekBV of foreign lira aafsaal, raise tbe price of meat ta London not to Is.

ad. per lb but te ta. Cd. per IV." are very rnheiasUe. Boca statement have ao iaonshl beats, aad it would aeaax wero made with a view to defeat a wvlWirirttldred B3L.

supported by highly respested, practical man en botbsidea af tba Hfin. I will not follow Professor llocers fat Us rUmsstsUMi eai MllagMbeJxbkte tbo abject, aor will saestioq can afford tooWpis Tour badieat aarvaat, ks KPyOTOBrgAK. thoaaltholetsciof instil Tit the vawlit ffaets of our dams aa the arprase peneao of pro irk at ex ml ah a 4tw and sxeokyelittaete which fed akmij.