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INTELLIGENCE. HOWSE bV LORDS, ToHkoir, Mawti 2.X Th Diktiopcj MNOOLX prmmtxj petition fmtn a plar infi raw: oi kaxaat any lartnrr Knot 10 mar nooth Coi kla a pt Jn aainat lb Davuraganwat of iJuiatrj in toJia. I T1 liri of LAREX1M)N rmarctI a flijioa from a r' ace in ftum for tb rmal of lb eorti law. tiorrh patrocajc. from Ilaoi Mirauntj of Antrim; Va 4 r.

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br prODOiirii to Itu lia nwnt (J wtild bf braeficul to the of Iniia. The petition to whirli he ha 1 alladedwraa aflerwarJt, oa tilfl motion pf a haroo I Laird re femsl ha a wlrjct and a ninilar coawoittee wa fcpnaLil by like IIol cf Comsi.mA. Before ludt tbw cotamiLteeai a crrat deal bf impprtant evidence waa rirrn with I Iflt bnraaT that tlie nxl bbnous measnre of ivlief that 'Xtf JJi ir.l 1. me Ja Ik vald he pren for the of IndiaTrprjdacewottld V. iJXNr iJf rK5Bl44 fedoce thr atttt oa tlv iuporutMa of Kart 1 nda aaf ir.

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AtUSt Srxurf. analin The Maticy Itili ut.d the IMarise Ma'aa; Bi3 were read a tturd tise and adi "The aj joomed debateon th amendmecta to the Tithe.Cora poaitipn'tlreiasd) Bill vaa renewed, on the motion of. Via. conr.t 1 After aorne ta tfce noble TacoftTr the Earl of 1:1 h'4rl of Wicatow. and the Karl of Sutra r3.itbe notV 1 ccuut" arrxudmrctl were acreed to, and he bill wi paw jj.

1 ord nEIKiI)AlJ; rtwanted a petition frota and iratera of the lrand rarinR for the. abolition cf tLe toU on ihe Waterloo, and Vaaihall bridgei. The Url cf KCR5F.1.KKV pre mt.d a petition from a Cf opre cation rl the eoorty of rVe, aaint the ennmrare taexii 01 HW lu anuia, awr a peuuea aaiiia kuwu Patronafe. TheVu jnof NORMANBY a petition icaed r.early 2.PUfi peraonr from Mile end New town 'and ita teihbourhood, in; favour jof the fkramageef Hoildinjra.H'ilL The adverted jo the taLehief that in' and ie d.aokaejthkt waa enirendered jn that part of, the metropoli jn era.qmre off the dertruney of drainace and ventilation and they prated fjHir lirlafupa 'favourably to conaider tbo kill I hrti li. np thjfir hooki k2ui la tika il inta a law.

hi'thc raitiri jlho Mli. vtii of NosKinv. tVe RorrmrLa lmonraiert Sliller: of! the two Tnllaieta whieh the Drain ae of IWI hJ 1 vn divided) EAST HIM BILL. Tie Vfsnnwef LANSINIWM; havict theorfer af the dav aerond trading of th Vjwt India Kara Hill, proeet lerl to pbaerre, thai aa thta waa of ennawer able iiarrtaare. it weald catunllr ta eiprcted that he ahoaUitit' thir lordjhipa, an to those who were inte reatrd In the ir.Kct.

toe crpaada upra which thia bill waa introduced. The noestoc, lay within a very carrowl eotraiaw. 1 la. object waa to aatimilate the datif on tjk India ram irr ported into thia kinciom from Britiah IH'S l.iua in India, in: which the tmnortalion of itirarwak prohibited, to the Wt India rata, aa had alreadt been dine with reixt aacar the iroarLh of the rat Indietd Harly in the la; Krion of i'artiament be had bad thehoijor to pitneu to their lordalupi a peti'Jon frm the ronai.ii? red tivkton India. lie wU net at that tirre aathohied to hold oat anv imme diate hppe to ti Me pethionera that the policy which ther reco nrtiended cnnld brt carried enect bat he.

had xntt ne nirav iij ana. otnen wita wnom Le liad moat irtriortantjbody in! thia ountry the tUft Iudia Oom aiij auo f7uaturrvj ema ivn, ana U311J theaiartyea, aa the'reprrsentativea of the cnltivaU IP and ditT rednctiokW ia the rate of taxaUon, ought to bvnked tpon with rr. dattrnat; aa it waa clarl; of a one fided eharae ter. By exciting hopea, mehatatemecta tended to prodJee a ktronj keskktion thrme boot the rvantry, thua present the rain cotwideraltoa of SnanrUl meaaorea. 1le objected tlrefore to the eirrnUtion, whether by authority or uoL of the eaacrerated evidene knd viewa nnaieHl in the rrsSort.

and Le waa rare it at the adoption of the principle contained ta uu en 10 loeir lauen evienl no aid reoar neceary a property or aome kimilair meajture, to taa'ae jcwkJ Ihe difiri nry ia the revenue which 'would be prolaceL The princtpla of free trad w'rr. within dae huunda, tho tm which the (levwiuaent of thii cennlry onht to act. bi it in thia report they were carried to an eiceav prejudicial tnoae pnnapiea tnemaejvaa, and likely to retard their atare application. I Lrl ELLKNBflRnrn'il only roae to eipreia hik jatia faction Kith the tneaaare which had been broacut foraard by the noble' maruia. It had come aooorr than he.haJ ri pected.

but not Micnrr thai Le had deaired. I le areeJ killi the noble martjait that thia ineaaure rrated on ita own merita. It waa only a rueaaare of jualiee to'the rjaat itaaa nvt one cf injuaiice to t'le Wet Indiea. Ur diroinidani the datiea on augkr the prodoc of India, il would, iu incre ki the dersaad while, at thr ame'thne, it wul lipre vrnt the introduction of foreicn cjOwn aukr. lie alii nt tiitnk tiir liovemineut would be A KMiiion to cllaion to admit.

tlie aucar of I'aba and ltruiil i uj thia country till it waa las what tlie iwal; of this meiaare would be, iVan calciuated to. lead to the introdnttiou from liidia of a very large qiiantitv of (near. Hewiihel, hokrier. to rjtll the attention of lie coble maxinia to the bill itat If. particaUrly to the 3d rkiw, in ennwq urate of cnain evidence whicu had been civrb before ibe cjmnlittee cpvlain Lit vrar, and in cvnaequence of what he au erfoneciis view taken by one of the witn.aar with to the' art fur the of tlie.datv ua 1 Iudia ar ar.

The 3.1 rUw of thia bill waa framed it, ternia ri arly aunilar a provision the act of.lhelat and Mot or which terriitted the intrud uc jon of augir fmai ladUJ al a rrdaced rate Jili. Hi that act. it waa irv id. thai if at any tixe u.ifactory proof ahaU liave beeu laid VrfJr llrr in oncnl toal the Vaiportaiiou of urogn agar into any IlniLah.povkvion within the limin of the rat Company a chart' i prohibited, it shall lie lanfil make a eorrwuondinc Trdartion with reference to the aa East India rami' He pank aUrlv atau this, beeaaae the optni.mff their lorpAip co naiittee had been quoted atiast the present war ire. The evmtcittre did not eaprem a decided opinion on the snbject.

They only stated that tln were not rreparei, at IOAI momeot, to recommend turn an alteration fj ion ram. lie wa not the. aathorof the word thns inaerted in that report; bat undoubtedly he aiatif. oppose tnoae wrcds, beriaae ne waa not tli taoraejit, to aubmit to their aach a meaacre as wniil meet (be saciatiani of the petitionera and the nnble baruu oppoahe, who drew np) the report with great ability, and wavaT ewi oil tne aafcject were of the moot liberal and en lightvned nat are a imtted the worda, rather tlian excite mt asarenre 01 opinum in uu cummiuoe. 111a tine juar qairof Ijvak l.iwne'k) opinion aa the same at that lime as it waa al the irresent namelr.

that it would be iast ar. 1 pruncr togrratatUie rclu I prayM tor, and torUIue the daues on ul vy est India ram. lle.shoald n.ojv advert ta On? of the chief objections fek be the committee of the 1 louse of lyrds with reference I to thia redacuua namely, leat it khoald lead to the' introduction ot anv other spirit ilia tilled Srom rice, ior from any olbrr prodace not intrn led to be admitted. It was feared that seen spirit; not the prodace of thejaaar caiie; raigat be introduced nader the cover of th a law. Tliere was, howevrr, no danrjr of any aach result the jrinat effectual means were aJooted.

under the bilL to carry he intentions of the Lecialatiire. and those intentions only', into effect. I'nderlhe regulations provided by this measure, the iniportat5on'wald be confined strictly to rum mano factorfsl from thei auffar cane, or frivm the date date tree. In thia toil it 'had been thought right to introduce te sugar from tjie date jtree," because in the dominions of the East India JCompaay racar Uas made in conid Table cjnantities from the u.ei 't rernlissiun was given to introduce spirit Irani tnej tUte and Ute tree, wnust rrg'ilatious were narrfallT lotted to Prevent the introdaction of "anirits "dislilledlfrinu fice. Kkm from Kith sagsr and the which tu noble baron ha I alluded.

He wouitij ia? minaaaceu 011 me aame looking, iiewouia um, iu 1 mr iwiwimw vij au.u;ri, luougu niunu recorimejiding ta meaure to their lonlships, dwell utMin the ack of justice and liberality which they would towards tne natives jlraiia.Dy, paaiong M. As tlie cummercial enterprise jnf our ua'tryrilen had taken from, therrr thinos; raluable larancp (of. ihjir trade, aa 1 had extinguished their industry in the rnaaufapture of musliu, we were bound nat. to refMi theci the ir.tflixlaction cJ the articles which they ori the same terms as ocr other colonies. The noble lord then moved that bill read a second time.

Lord ASIlril iTfN it allressej the h. ase.bat from tne feeble ton in which be pke.we cnald hardly makf irat even; the sabs.aiire of his retijXrks. We nnderstoo'l lam to be obiemngtKat fceeiiisidered circumstance to 1 favour able to the pasri of the pre r.t measure: Tne only doubt on his mini Was lest the intro 1 icti of spirit fnm the palm and vale shoall open a door ta the lllicit.importa tion cf other spirits which might be injurious to the distille risof thiscoinry. He tank it, hiwever, for granted tlia! Her had looked fully into tlwt part 01 irs san the interttio tJKSTKLCTIVE FUCK i The of t. ier's P.n' 3i rt.

erriirvfler. ta ow ruence.cf. th. ljve Terj kacatn f. IU V1 Mai AI'PESb to TTiaia raiW vW.M aleteii beinx 'imnaurs re i.r yt eaa ie raeJKnnjenrvt wiiDJl ir izxu i rjs i are Ij t'statjo uaai.

1 'A jrkl r. iev a ia s'jb i its i ran wo's be ef end ril liMteTaata4njcZit. fl'yto estates IT i oatni t' ehn: ti al ee. rre e3ervi tn ahirtMd I ifeSae ITCp tcj lDWn rra a ejreclkf rav In 01 en mrui 'x trAl a cr: ka4( KeeTstnw.aail jf rr. lucrs v4r lm.

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KUaard, r. i.Mrs HatcharT in Conccil that the iinporUiiou of foreign ny lIHtbdt.povkvion within the limits of fimnava rhaef ia e.r nlliliif.l if ahll 1m Livk Ib r'Majeaty, oy and wli tie advice of lirr or by aa order in Council, to allow tne imporutiou' of iu'gar the rrowih of ai.v British uosaeaamn at the lovtrr.rkte of duty siwifit in the act of tlie Pth an 7th of I Vj the sa'riie restrictions and tvvnditions as sugar the cr ostVot ilx presidcncv of h.vrt illun. fow. be was of opinion, under that provision cf the act of Victoria no discrrtion was left to tfce tVmncil, and they were loand, on the required JToof being given, to admit tfce sugar 1 a of the Briluh pOKwsaiotis alliiJed to. The aui of thii bill was similar to the provision contained in the act of ictoria.

It prov idM. that this aci shall nat int operatioa uaUl proof aasdl liave been 4aid Iielorel Her Maiesrv. in Council that foreign mia and foreigrl ruuil rnrin Jiave en prohibited ta Le imported into apv et uit poaseaaiviis within the limits of the East InJiajConi paay's charter, on the importation 'from which. wf ram 01 rum ahrab.Uie datvof S. td.

per fallen is hereby imposed ftor until tlie (iovrnior lirneral in Council shall have iaMil an act containing such regulations for the" prevention raaas as iu the opinion of such I iorernor 1 trneral in ouncu ihall be calculated for that When' ther fore the prf rrjairel was given, and when art act was passed ly th' (iovrruor ticaera! in Council for the prevention of fraud he apprehended that it I wane the date of the 1 louncu to admit rum and rum shrab to be tnlraJuceU. For it was farther provided by the 3d clii.se, that iu the rvent of such prohibition tnd of the enactment ol racVrrjrulatiivns, snail be lawful for Her Majesty, Iff at. 11 with the adnce of thtf I i itj oannl. to allow the. lmporta tii irf ram or rum.

whruK the rodace of the rwessior! kfo. esaid, to be adrrntted to entry ia the kincjl r. ijirprnt las we uajerstoxli, however, in his evldi nct as riven before the.eu.'arutlee. of last vear. ve i 1 til ol orinian th.it it comratent for persons interested rorae before the Council "even after "the retrain Lroof hero given, and to sSow them that th'l regu diotj taa.le were riot indent.

'and to to tk' ititridaetion of the' produce srH ritied ia the it od ictoria. Jt waa tteretore niguiy important thj; tnt part of the bill should be dlstirictlv eprese.t as ta generally understood, and that provision sluniM ll intro uured into the mess are prqvidirghat on the passing of the act by th G.vrrtor (ieiieral in I 'ounril, rnnj and ram should be aS onee admitte.1, and that tlien persna atMMiia 1 allowed go liefore the I nvy onr.nl obi' ct. Tliere was one point tt which fi wistusi t. call attenti in. la the actof 1 and Victoria iher proviso hich he considered essentially nreessarv, an whirl he wiahed to sec ialroduceil into the present b.il.

"Iliat ac reejuired that a rtificate be given br.the Cuil' oi deputy Collrctor. and the proviso was that it should law ful for the lovernor lienrJ to appoint aay other perso; that h' nt consider uuAliSed than suih col lector or deputy collector to' rfani such certificate! Now he (Ixrd rilenborough) thought it neceasarT aid' del sirable ta introduce Jbis proviso iuto the pn'Sen: tneaaarel 10 re migui pe a question wnetner any. prar ai aimcult would arise elsewhere on the introduction of th proviisa. bul on that point, perhaps, the noble lord would liiake irjquirirJ. Abttu evi uis, 111c insenion tne proviso went in xunBerance of the and intentions of theframersof this tilt.

It haI lieen adapted by. them na A similar. (Lord K.lenlioro'agh) should hopelbat when this bill rami into eornniittee it would lie thought expedient, thrie beinf no reason against 11, to mtnaluce it tnto this lull. The Marquis of LANS1M I WN ha3 not the leastl hesiuj tiort in autuig 10 the noble baron the iciert'Ktalion which he kJiould pet upon the meaning of tberlaaseUlladr to, and relating the p.ers exerriaedbT the I'rivW C'outir cil. was precisely thai wh.ch the noble baron had hims.lf collected, lie thought ther.

was nothing in the act frrrejl to that roiioired Correction bu h( flutruvTilA r.ar.li liad called attention to the subject, there liaving be, in sonir! thing like a misuiideratar.ding upon it. With regaril to thr other point, irus was the tint time Ms attention bkd bee called to' it but it seemed to hira that it would be Jtremel conventml 10 introduce into this measure the priiviso tki He to know whether it was oi; lnaisiers to i i 111 loreign surr instraet.l him to make the motion; bat he coald not sUl the nature of the buain as. Ptraos rs war ordered withdraw, when (Irtirral LYCtON said, ha waa aware thai tVa. to, oa hshich the b6u. and galUnt officer 'aaught for.

leave waa ar ITeni ana private, ssi auca aa no one alaa couU iu for him. kLood laugtiler.r Leav vraa tlasn girrn. ST. ALDAN'S ELECTION COMMITTEE. Mr.UKUbrourhl ou elections, Willi the names of Use committ selected to try the maiU jI the prtuiou against the return for Ihe bo rausu oi r.

0 1 a. 1 ney Ware Mr. T. W. llrams'on, Mr; j.

irai', r. a. rnn4je, Mr. M. John Md.1i.iiT, Mr.

and the Hon. J. li. Uliot. in Me R.rl au.

added aa chairman. Tlie hon. members were rwom at th tikU anrf enL.n.l in meV to morrew (thia day) at 11, WAWALLELECTioVj COMMITTEE. Mr. OKI) next broarht an a mvirt frorV thnvmitiix.

on elections with the uamea of the niembers selected to trr tie cnU of the' petition a ainst tlie retnm for WalaaJL Thre were. W. kae. "Mr. II.

a Stn'rt. Mr. I'arkV Mr. W. Il.vter Mr.

W. Ilrodie, ami Mr1. J. Bowes, to whom was added lord Eliot aa chairman. They were sworn, and ordered to in tA.ma.rnw Ithla dsvt at 1 1.

(O.KEINEMKST OF COX VICTIM IN. THE HU.LX3. Lord MA 1 1 IN. in riainr ta suh'mil lh mnt'ovn of ohrh he had given notice on this subject, said, that in all tlie'discos? sions which liad taken' plai iu that house on socr ndary tiniahments, he waa truck with the grrat contrast between the indiaerruce of houa and tbe grrat importance of the; subject, lie had heard an able speech on that subject from the noble lord for ie Colonies, which occupied two hours in the delivery, and yrt was addressed to a house of njt lnoretlun 3il member. Notavithstandiug this discouragenu nt.

the subj ct was iii his opinion so imjiortaat tliat he felt it his duty to address khe once more npon it. Ik fore, lie iL termined on that course he liad consulted many able and intelligent mendais. who had had much ex perience as chairmen of quarter sessions, aud all cf iiiem concurreii wuh him as to the evris of the present system with rei ct convicts" being detained in tlie hulks at liomr, and with tho indalgence of the house he" hoped before he satrloan' to establish that fact. What had the noSIa lord the Secretary for t'e Colonies artuallr donel Ih Lis minale of he laid oottu jnis pnnrjpie, liiai convicts, uuacr sentence 01 trans for seven jaars khail aa far aa practicabTe I de tained in the halls at mir, and in a letter on the subject he that should be provided in the hulas kt homo for 3,500 con. icta, so thai thii was an increase on the fanner namher in tb hulas from li3 convicts to as statril ia a return Imsila by Mr Capper, and a ninch Itrger number might expected toi accumulate a.1 home for he 1 found by a calculation made in'lSB7, that of 311 cruvitta traasporied, ha.l been under' sentriice fvr anvrn years, tuAing abaut two 1 thirds of the whi le uumlier.

"1 Irre; tlien, were two thirds of thine convicts ho would at the end of sevrn Tears be let loose npon the cuantry. The first, objection which, he made 10 me course puma. by the Colonial was an nnd'ie exercise af the prrrogsthe of the! Crown. The acta of the nob'at lird. in lliis respect might be within the letter, but they were, at variance with the of tbe Uw.

The intention cf the act was to give to the Secretary of State a discretionary power to make distinctioastbelween'the cases of some convicts, arid fror.i ae, inftrxnity, or other reasonable cartse. 10 iietain them ia tie bulks instead, ot sending them to penal colonies. bat it "was never intended' that the secretary should have the power of 'saying transportation far seven years meant remaining in the hulks at home for lie did feel necessary lo pn this point, because ue that the' noblei lord himJf admitted that tlie present s'Aem ought not to be continued. His. second objectioh to the course pursunl by the noble lord was, that it s.i..wea an idue nepi.ct and disregard of the evidence taken frre a committeeof the I Iirose of Lord" on the subject, tt was well' known that in committee of the House of Lords was apiminteJ to consider the whole suri ject of prisons aud prison discipline.

The rommitt iu e.i its inuuiry with great uiluenre. and tud ootore it men most rompt trul to give opinions cn the various matters br 'nght under their notice. The; members of laecommiuVe even went to the hulks to j'lJge for themselves of the Iuk. he ni'ed treat talent and great diligeace. In the report of that committee they stated.that from the view which they took of the injurious effect bf the hulk svsteni ther conld not but concur iri the statement in the report of a committee of the House ct Commons as to secondary panishm'eut, that no convict who ha.1 been sentenced to traniporU'icn should be prmaarntly kef in this country, except such as far cih1 reasons ah iul be sent to tlie and that the hulks should be orilv an intermediate steD between the bruon and transports t'lon.

He (Lord Mahonj could nil conceive what new light Was which had brokru in upon the noble lord, to induce him detiart from a srstcm which had been sanctioned and recorrfmended by the joint opinions of committrea of the Iz ls and Commons Their recommen lation cf disconti svstem ot the halks except as aa intermediate The Inspectors procoexled further. They stated, "Those who imntamirialaon, This resol: had not 'tair'at place dpa't see are allowed to write to them, ilow, in de erioence on that paint waa fail, 'rompl. ia. aal satiai eidedly of opiaion that this custom should be done asrav IfactorT. He would rtter to the petition wLicli hUiT been.

This, as he had said, might hart been adrie on very presented last yeac to the houaa oi the The sumcicnt grounds, tut it waa a grrsil incrrale of disci I petition was forwarded presentation to tlw hnji. meef ounr. iw, new rnoati prison At lfcr lor iaaatr (Nr. Uuiier.) i J.Ie (Lord He found that amohs the list cf nnivl. nenU was this, thoaght.

"thai the petitioners could ndt Lave auad; red need diet. Bat bf this class thefri iTie same was awanea lof ther runs cf "sneaking wath in 1 tioc. aad ui doin uid. iul.I teut to converse. Thia wa odd rcoagh.

(Hear. boar.) lie The petition from New South W.L.. rnnl i 1 4 did not deny that these. reg Jatins miht all be juit. aline year, waa signed by no lea, than jpcr.ns, ca3 i Ta.

wima ui a uoi ueny uaai me rnncipsa setters ol theeclonr. It iiilnlttid ma.iv Mahcii) a bet arrived to hepeti it. caiy of tho revioas: "7 tu. oin urc a.aiem,bat approvea tne ua pro men, nor that tbe. noble Irrttwho gsva his sanrtwa to tke.11 rjioas ct asaignmrot, and.

urged Jw Pot w'as atw; bat, not witfarKiirig this th nutdifcllrf inauirTi neWi tiat this si fsteai of lmtisocment at; htrrie was ro little sal tinners declared iheir" au ad tary that the superintendents of it fotunl a constant ere, 'imirabie imAns of nunisa rirnt. and of tyot inrreaaing the rigour and diat jylrcc of it, with sKi 'th eonvicts, e'li wegiee 01 moral iiuiueiire ior me prveain 01 enrre; hoi ir.e conviri, iue petiuectianre or li they were obliged, utur this fystero, (o operate to injury of the rrer cr hare rrrourse to "a teufxlj greitrf tlrgr of rigrmr eithrr insurarieBt or ho thLa to and severity. Then there was the grot evil urtler the jthe sum paiipenaai, turT, and crirje, th? Isho: Iiicu4tu. uuine.vi Ml" loerjaufc. 01 js iii r'vpiav Ol tOVr nicei meht.

lie could scarcely conceive key uniiorm svstea Siicctly opposite eff. ct, he is convei mro unequally on ctitterent te npersanu diiTerrnt degrees of strength. Ti system of assignment cf coaTicts in tl penal rnlonies had callrdj nr. iaal. bat its in tualiiy dwindleil into nothfag wbenl compared with this.

To roine the confiacc.cn: woctd be intolerable, to otaers cf sa active mould tie" wai.t abendaat farj lie tn greatest eJU ru syaarnj auaaioiu, tf.u!" rAmm u.Tar tLHiM r'natt Lrriti.ne. Another jection which he had to nrge agaiu.t the ii was jireason of its Usui ulmoji eLUn ir rats, the ground of expense. He should be vers sorry It state It folio.ts, tliJi. tia. Jlia as a foremost or jojameact object, and be uoped the aar cf trar.sportation to any ami'Jtit, Is far uuiao wouiu na.

consider uu; ca.1 anv laiention ot soosiaiT ine of faboLnrii emi vi usir contrary, jne aixiiira inere euei. ecitung ir.e mascL u. 'pt penal IcgisLaUca vtu.ru were ofpn at land, ac i thervby provi Sns; tbt; i nar imporiasce econome. iiat economy ivas not crea'in tr.e airouniof uarr uration. A h.

,1 OT l'' ini.i a.Tvcrse taaA atfe'i; a The. labours of.th ronvir eoloayjiniejve not merely with 1 poor bauon tie contriy, nraine la qar there py ka inin.ensrly inrrrased cor.s nt tisV of ahnos' everv d. I ijei firdy in vessels, alid.l'rwtiiia per minie in raw majensa.anoraea 3 iispn so stating to be attributed to the existine hui sisiem. anl.I he seen by coaijiarisoa wiih the transpof arjua system. Th.

aver agj expetise of a convict was'lof. Arrived in the colony, instead of a burden, ha uis an advantage. In the hulks the cost of mainitnaace fcf, u'h coaviirt every ver was IE. From this, howevrr, the noble lorl irstiiuated that th.re'mut be dedarted U'J. for the lvalue of the labour of each rouvict, leaving aly.

VJ. aa the annual cost to the country of each' convict ia the kuika. Ilfl thought, however, that thejgbbiv lord had overeauaiated Ihei value of convict la boar f. ia the nrit place, tbe noble lard ia the mtnoran im ass auird that cycrr convict was equally capable cf work. tbe last report of Mr.

Capper 'stated, 'that ther were a grrat number bf persona in the hulks wh. was un rt for any. work of a Ubxriotu nature. Secondly, the noble lord had. mule no Account; of tie expense of cou stn.cliag and maltitainig Uie which waa far from Tb.

entire fxraise of ench convict, including en ry item, was aad H. ner annam. Ti.keit at and if. they conSued in the hulks for four years those sentenced to the bic lord's proposiUon. tbe country would be pat to an ox pen ia raeh rase of whereas, the tntire expense of transporting I 'riot exreed 15.

then, was the striking difference of 15 anil llH'. He ha.1 tie best'grotinU f' stitmg that he crimytly estimated the pense of transportation, and as aa instance of the popular delusion which 'prevailed on this subject, he might mention tlie fact that irij one of Ir. lWring's owevei anti to there would be aor inconvenience, er that would lie impracticable to introduce that provUo in thit nouse. The bin waa then read a second'time. and orderrld to' 1 emnmitt en r.aay nest.

The Marauis of NORM AS.BY Vai i. he had slat, to tt hoase, an i panicularly ta noble lords that the is lbs Ud ao 4 in api si. rxisted oa. of Coors on this point and the com mercial interest as lie was informal, had not received any ry a.SBrar.c Tesrctin it. The natjelorl then proceWe'I at eroijleral'Ie len Jth to rhake an'attark npon the report of the enrnroittef the import duties, aad upi the whirl the invj stigatiohs of that committer had Ir en.

conducted. Mr, HaTh. Mr. rorter. Mr.

liregor. Or: Itowtrng, and (other sta tistidans of that school, had given to that riomniittee the met extravagant and absurd statenH nts whicli anv person having the reputation of rational persons, had ever listened, to. The which consisted of similar Sree trade rhilasophers. and which had been rotun for tlje purpose ol liatfcinc to those statements, rapidly up the opinions thel wiiiesses examined before it. It rt fused to hear vide.nce on the other side, and at last, after a lwrried sitting at a late period of the session, came to report, which jhe decured to lie ax nntatr a report as ever was malefto either Itfiuse of A report with more of th apTveararicijof design and trick and contrivance never existed.

If (ta reewimendations shoold unfortunately lie carrvt into effectit.woald upset all the prinriples on which, orir eammercikl wealth and creatness rested. and woald esta (Jish t'le most) wild and Tieionary theories of commerce. The noblcjlord, a.fter! several olervalion which werr quite ins AUilible in resumed his seat. The.MarquisU iSlXWNE said, that though it was 'quite; open to his notle triend, in discussing this hill, to' propound tolthi ho ise his opinions on tlie report presented 'iy a Coiaiiittee of the other house of I'arliament on the impurt he was sure that their lordsliips noi eiliert: lam to enter into a defence of that ntvort uatjl it came jrgularly order their consideration. committee tf which the.

noble lord La 1 referred La 1 a late period cf the session, and was" not a committee appointed by tbiiOovrrimeat. It hs not, perhaps, carried lis invfs'iratij'hs las fjir as the noble baron thought eApe dient': bat it had heard ieveral persons well qualified to have their opihiicik attended to on commercial questions, and particularly jne giitleinan, Mr. I Iume, who had lieen consulted be Mr; Mr. Hoskissnn, and indeed evrrv President tb4 Biard of Trade far tlie list rears. The reruirf bid Jeen circulated as a namiihlrt.

and its con tents, were tins laid open to.diicu&flun, aodhat the laatter ha.l ii lir.Higlit tiitly Ijetore tl.e pubhe. ilisnoble fnend asL.nl 1 lan was ajain in atten dance, an.l roaJv to lie essnnne, if they wishe.i to pat any question to him ari inir out of tl; evidence of the witness who was examine 1 alter hiin lait night. The Ihike of WELLI.Vt.TOX said, that before Mr. I hrlii was called in, he wished ta ask the lioble maniuis wbl iher He would have, any objection to the Traduction of olie raote document oi the subject. He adudeI to a return of copi of the comaiHMidence and prucerslihgs of the lins Coii mLwionrrs relative to the apiointnieiit of Mr.

Kirhaki EgJn to the place ot returning orhcer to the IVsndon I uioii land I Mar.iiiis of NokMAXBY ever. The returns' Coil tlie motion of the noble duke) ordered. The Marq iis of IRMAXBY then' if n.tl.le lor did not at present to put anv questions to Mrl lii. Li; he would remain in town for a few tliere Would no Jiffjcu.tyin calling hllu on nday, it desired! Their lordships thr'n adjourned to Thursday next. inlrj Oh, no objection whaj re th.

Kmli. In Ird (ilengall's examination of Mr vester lar, towards the end of the first column, which protverty John Itirkr settle 1 on his own Wi John Hifter; and instead of. "when Frunds turned," real when Francis lltrkr returned." Halt 0 I As t' WtLiMt i Aa Did 0 UthaakraBsK jived hr Me ao 07 JSaars. llalcaarO, I tU.N OPERAS, at JJrun iWre. AlJ41S8IOMll Io, tfca Vl.

TC 2n rtTde aol to th. lmzix. to id Prlr AU lav laiaA WiTta tS WARM AIR, sulphur. UilxirineJiw mT.L., aad ejthsr paw as fkauxattas: ai Laa yka rio. kk.

otaat axartbayiMus iksaikstklitl were his TK any otlicr, an tjt itUid not grow out 01 the port to which he had kllu.lfd." As to any ulterior measures, particularly La vine referrhce to thki finanresof tlie countrv. it was birlilv inconvenient to enter pnta explanations "of the intentions of the ijovcrniiiHil la lore ihey came regularly fore the house for diseussiorj. IA1I would say was, that thisTiiU stood on its own there iaight be farther altera tions, hereafteT; tr not; this particular tneascr? was, he haneht one hxlixh tar house ought not to refuse to (Lord ASHBURT)X had not meant to say against iiume, 11 ne anew nun 10 oe a man ox high honour and integrity, and rossesed of great abilitiu The noble inarquis hail ct rtaiiuy given no satisfactory answer (o the question! he liad put to liinv The answer of the noble mumu was the same as naa wen given nv ine stavemmeut to the deputation' of tie India interest, bat the gentlemen of that aepuTauon, nau gone away irnu me iuea euai uisre would be ulterior measures. Ivird MONTEAGLK was quite tare the noble lord who had just sat irrn mat feel that the answer of his noble menu, the nooie marquis near uuu, mj 00c wuu.u be could consistently give, as it was highly inconvenient, to discuss subjects relative to finance till they were brought regularly before the respect to the report to which allusion had been rnada, it was not nnosnal for persons to hold that to make a large incrrass ia the revenue it was only raeeeaaary to make a large redaction ia th; rate of That was aa erroneous view of the matter, for people were too ready! to say, Oirt na the and to per so attention to the It waa, h(nrTr, www and nolitie to make vraw of mar ex eras of revenue that tairhi exist is tavaeaTcmring to rixiera the "bexrdene the The erideQfia which had aveeo'gieea Taefere the reMiniiriae et laet year, aad wtuea west Wmirnrj cnat HOUSE OF COMMONS, TrrnT, MAtthi 23. The Glasgow, I'aislev.

and fireenock. KailwaT llill read a third time and passed. On the motion of Sir E. K.xsTciinrLL the Liverpobl Hoc UUh was resi a aecon.i time. MCTROIDLIT AX I TRO EMEXTS.

Mr. E. J. STAX LEY moved to discharge the ord ferring the MetroHolis Improvement Bill to the eorTOiittte selection, and to refer the "bill to the select committee of session for Metropolis Improvements viz Mr. KdivWrd Joan Sunlev.

Sir MatUirw il, Mr. llerneS Mr. Watlev, Clav.Sir BenjAmia HalLCeJanelTlioinAs Weal (MildWi Mr. Kohert e.iart l.nrtl iscmint I her. rr lie lair Evans 1 'aimer, Mr.

Barnard, Mr. Kerjible, aid Mr. Aldrnnan llamphery. r. HEX cipposed the tno.ion, as being A departure from the usual course.

1 he lujt in his opinion oslbt to be referred to the Middlesex list, like any other ordiavry private bdL 'Ir. J. STANLEY said, tliat this bill waa cbtL strictfiy peaking, a private bul. neither couid il exactly be cdtisrdered in the light" of a public bill, though it partook, more the nk svouiu ve tare of the latter tlian of tbe former. He thought it hard, seeing the public interests involved in tlie tlie bill should be referred to.

a list, wJiicli would lIili, read rlc aent to such undertakings has seldom, if ever, li en adequately supplied, ly free i eople. tht reiiea on, ar.d no othvr uirfnptton labour obiime.l.the iIuaL But it WAS said that thev shaiibl takU into erismnl South Wales, which it was absolutely jneeessarr to keep up so long as this was retained as a penal fnlony. 'lliis remark, no psrtic Ur application. Il might bi urged as a retroapvetive. argument iki btrhalfi of the colonists tlia they had saved trar.sportihg..t Bat how st.xI the ease Thev had alraadr traiisoortedL convicts to a vast ex tent to Australia.

These establishments were in and they must continue to maintain therA. No Jrrable retrenchment could possiblv Like pUfo for a lohijst. i. of. ears.

ThLs urn. aeii.vn Imu.t a l. iIm i.iM, lord in his minute. It was perfrcilv' clear that the mat unmbe who Were incapacitated from Labour in the halks rei suited Irom their coahnement and from the treatment which they not from the weakness of infancy, or the imj becility of gS. llef.r.ind from a1 ntarn which he held ii) his Lan 1, that of I(siO convicts in the halks.

11.016 were between 14 and. 1 years of age, and only r.9 were above that average. lie was 'lighted ta perceive, from the Seiiercent ot tae chaMama. the satistactorv reform whtcM haa been effected in mAny of our prisons. But, attaching to this in.

onnauon ite utmost value, how veere the reieasca prisoners to get their Was it riot, well known that the greatest reluctance prevailed against employing one had bcin a convict Hon. members themselves would natorallr give thr preference Jo persons of unimpeachable character. 'Ihe fact was that these nnfortanate persons could not gel employment, and were into a lilt of prostitution and thievery for' Ithe want of legiti mate resources, ir.e true character ef a convict was discoverable not from his conduct at; the hulksj but from his constancy fa resisti'nc sahaeaaeat temptations. The evidence taken by the Lords on this point was Terr important. Mr.

William Miles said, that there were Tnanv beings now in oar gaols who would be honest if reaiovtd from evil asso ciations and put to any profitable Note, this was the very case of transportation. A boy in gaol one aay to me, 1 have no character, fsir; when come out prison where am I to goT Mr. Teagne. a governor ct prison, saiil, that the convicts fmiuently resorted to him to tahcurs mother ho have agmerit of li? nyJiaTie pt.i ten mto this Soaring for fi of BrK lpertd 'ririe nevnaof antiriri "mg in has the of in thesrarr hus' a i a com n. is ready cnibute to tVir abilnv; sys3 of heelUiy action and wilhia itselfai: lunation Demists kluost; nuexaaipwi A solattons was passed id Vaa l)kma.

laand. exprestlve cf tne "saute opinion. He iibjectcd to v.mch the noble lord intend i to a top't. His Kuril's) seaiiiaeats liad excited ihel aimnsr f. tliat in cor.sexjai.nte of hi with.

nit giving sufficient Thtre exis'j desire in some colonies for a of th; assignment. There were evils conrivsrted one was, that the degree lof oanisiinient cei: .1 be awarded, to the'amoant 'o aild A e. ing tTitnihAl might kle a "'kind rsaiter; I criniin.J rniglil be treated with great cruelty. To this extent "agreed Iwith tie Sir K.ch. K.inrk'e, on his return frdra' the aver rvouthjU ales lavi ap a veVy able i transport Uion.

11 wss dated He stated 1 roin what I liav; cva JS cleel ia ales I art induced io set a hirh mlhe nnon the convict labour dorian the first o. ocess nient ia a r.ew.cormtry. Thagrta: detaaud fof laioarinci' progress of the incipient colony has been slow hence the striking contract belwerrjl the coriditiin of the rSouth ales er r.t ontia Holland'; ta'acd make a Sreaa Kiver settlcuient and that of New Van niemaii's amd. South AastraliA is of to be compared witji the other settlenicnts in but it is now maiutAined, I believe, borrotve li the security is dofctfuL It does not seem lik dv i better progress than: Jsvraa River. How farthr; rh ilictSon, ma lein If'SnAi peared ertSed in Ke lit was nee JleJs to point out.

Bat to proceed' Sir Richard went on to ifimit thar. transportation was pot anjunnuxVJ bbnerit to acdloiir.and atler foe rength. should not be continued bevond a certain" point colour had attained a certain decree of intem Hat be said I will ventbre'to express my appreSension of uie suctress oi penitentiaries upon a sca'e of rava maguituGe iuwuwiiuhk now Ihe expanse of such a measurr in. fully peonled, hkt: lire ami Ireland, it woald be a bAiardous experiment iuianoa numbers men jwui oe am; chfirgeU from, these prisons ai sentences ex Dir. far, in my opinion.to lav the foundation of a new eo! north western coast of Holland, under' m.tni.grnrent il.t ales fbeen pur' thettn ut in sncii uevotedtoj tiers allowed course fiord J.i 'tings' of "iacisl Sieat.

Vsawsyi tne iesa as and racnt or 1 na the' liys. South, 'wer'e si ttle LtSeult tenced to wouldi be Britain return to da iletter bnv cn: th station had been thus c.mtemptukusly set. aaid laird There waa tlie Transportation Com mittee. lord MAIIOX said, that committee lad nut touched bn this point at alL No syllable jof approbation of the "pre seni sysieai ol me naiks naa ever proeeeeiea irom that committee. But what was the evidence taken by that committee They had before them Mr.

W. (j'rawford," a gentleman who was most conversant with this subject, and who gave tm porfant information on it, and cTertainly if tjiere were to be any disparagement of his evidence it ought not to cowe from thenable lard since the noble lord and Ijia colleagues liad confided lb aom time a pa a very important mission the hulks of the l'nited Suvs. Now Jt r.Crawfonl stAteel that in his opinion the system of (h hulks was very bad, and in is desirable that these men! should go out of the that lie had been on the committee of the Refuge for the country; As to employment, it is two to one that it cannot Destitute for many, rears, ar.d had generally found tliat be obtained by them; It is therefore charity in first parties releawj trom the Iiu's had turned out Iheyery worst instance lotransport them, tint persons. in this characters: He addeil; that he found from the accounts i house obtain honest employment, and will be zrt them Aome sort of employment tot procure them a meaL testimony to. the same effect was pven by the Rev.

Ir. CoStein, the ordinary of Xewgale. I recollect a boy (said be) to whom I said, as be was dismissed from prison, You' are gouv; out ithout ahat Oh, don't trouble Tourself, Sir Was ihe law's lnan I irill haea V.f.. nl.T. I yjghtrt.) Of coarse his meaning waa that he woulif steal one.

Mr. Capper said, In the overgrown state which we amineJ. Jle stated tliat convicts greatly dreaded transporta tory, unless they could find employment for the released con tion. Mr; Higgins a visiting juslioe of Bedfordshire, stated victs.lf they wanted a farther illustration they had only to go that ttie nnlks were snarnettuiycondacted. Mr.

rvxmuel Hall, io ranee; v. men. maintainea two convict establishments at cliairman a society for the iimprovement of criminals, Brt and Toulon, which, had grbwri into a gigantic evil, stated, and he (Lord Mahoti)Lpariicularlv r'eqiiested the periodically letting loose a flood ofj the worst ihrscription if Atteiition th himscto Uiis in reply to a question I) i characters npon soriety. The following description was ljy liare tie sou not think the hulks are conducted on an admirable tern from it I consider the system aa calculated promote crime. (Hear.) ror his part, he (laird.

Mahon) thought that the hulk system was wanting every cwi'nieiijaiion that ought, to attend a system of seconilary parushmenf. What ought to be the 'object ot 4he lyegntuture relerence to mis question ot, surely, the reformation of tbe criminal solely. He had paid mach attention for manv years, to various plans and schemes on Uie r.ibject of see on pumsnments and this object of reformation hd been the principal feature of them, esp ci ally of those which he had heard ascribed to the ArcljrShop'i ox i rubiin. iiui mere was a nuttier onject uan ints namely. tne prevention oi crime; anu i iujs resjf ci xhc nuikS were qujte iiH'ffectuvl; They did not linspire a safficirnt degree ef terror.

When the sentence was that the prisoner con fined in the hulks instead of being sent to one of. the penal colonic. llie friend of the convict did not appear tbbesufli riently affected by it, while transportation caused a sufficient degree cf salutary fear. Hehadsatisfied.liimself of this from the testimony he lud.rereiveil, jind he WieTed that on this point be should ni si with the concurrence of the noble Se cretarv. tbe Home Hepartment he believed that there was anunuant jirwi vi iuBmwuin pi tuat uepanmeni, tliat the sentence of the hulks did hot strike so much terror as the sentence of transportation.

The cases which might be mentioned were h'umeruns. but lie should only nler.eioi one, which had occurred last' year, and which, be would rnen tioh, because it Ml under his own observation. Theca ie was that of See ley, who had been convicted of forgery, and was sentenced to transportation. It happened that he was connected with a highly respectable family, resident at fet linry, in filoeestershire, who through an lion, member of the tlie noble Iprd the Sectetiiry for th Colonies in his minute of the 2 1 of I tSS) Erkhce is at present suffering from a mass tif released convicts who, after having been confined in the galleys join the frimitalpart of the currunU nity, being perfect adepts in forgery and housebreakiiig, and are acquainted with all the thieyes jand swindlers in the country. Might he not say with justice that the noble lord was one of those who Ilisrem the'better, and the worse pursne Had it.not been his course to inflict on England precisely the same" system which he denohnee.1 in Franft.

TTo, v. dence of Mt Vidocq.a ttief," who nl afterwards turned tliief taker, was not very creditable, perhaps but it was important. When he left the house, he stated that he was most anxious to lead a refonnesl life He found great difficult in obtaining emnlovmentj bnt lie did r.ritin i at last. Whenever he met any of hi former associates they insisted on his joining them in thrir criminal projects. He (Lord Mahon) had ascertained from several distinguished states men in ranee that there was not one word of exaggeration in this that the released convvrts in that country formed th nuclnus of every evil design wh'ch wis hatched that coun try.

The Coandls (reneralof various departments in France had presented many petitionsto the inister and the Chamber of lleputiesstroiiglrTemoxistatinc aixinst the continuance it of this system, that France should establjsh some" kind of penal after the happy example of Eng land. Hi these grounds he xcaintained that there as every improved br the exivwience derived rom New Soh and Van lhernan's I sml "The svstent which has sued there is susceptible of ene great impfoyemenlj coiuiniiancfoi assignment private scene', lia case the period of strict servitude which would be 11 public works should be shortened, and the settler to obtain the benefit of a convict's labour as a holder cf a ticket of leave, the holder being compelled. seek hiilive lihooil in a settler service, by being restncti np for himself iu anv trade or business during the anre of his ntencei These were practical sdzgrsttons, ami he shonld leave them were he rjught to leave) tftemMn hands of the (iovernment. Ilia resolution limited; the house to the objections which hev entertained, not to ihj sys tem itself, but to the of the system, as. s'rry L6at by the noble lord fh tlie minute of the of Jan iAry.

T30. In conclusion, he would press upon the house the. itiip irfance the subject, and it was lis hope that ocr inter lal 'policy would keep pace our external aggraYdize that while the house cevoted itarlf to the vrcveation of crime, it would also endeayoar I to improve he moral and physical, condition' of the criminal." Iu 1 cheers.) The noble lorl then moved the following nsotutio i "That in the opinion of this house the largJ increase in le nuiaber pf convicts to 1 jvrrmAnisrtly confiiieJ in the hull i of Great. Britain, to transportation, ih pursiiance of the minute of the Secretary of Jstate, dated laiiuary 1C3, is highly Lord J. RUSSELL regretted that'aisabject o'l snehj im potlancehad nof exdteet more attentirm' than the noble lord, said it did, when it "was introduced to the notice the bouse on a former occasion.

He had wifh grea! attention, to the speech efthe noble lord, And thesdifTeren between himself and the noble lord was not so great as to jatify hira in proposing such a resolution to the house. (Lore) Mahon) dii" not deny tbe great evils.whicri resulted fr the system of assignment. In fact, it gavejrise tomost of theeyilsof slavery. It would indeed be tingiular, if, af er. having; abolished slavery' in our colonies we should support a system of the same kind In pur.

pens! 'ttlements The noble lord appeared to him to' ccnsidi that no change had taken place tin the jystem of second; ry punishments since the LorAs' cmmittee sat and reporter upon thit subject but" he liegged to remind the noble lord, wt a committee of the House of Commons had been sppoil ted to in quire into ine supjeei. i nat comniiiiee appueti itseii great care and dlhgencei to the investigation of 1 he matters referred to it by the house. They took a great A of evidence, and arrived at several wnclasiona whici they re ported as their opinions awl recommendi4l to th adoption of the houei that' iommittee 6e had reason to believe inai. no uinerence oi opinion prefsaeieu, i. tr'ii sistelof members who belonged to I both of the ent parties in that well as of.yentlernrn whohad psid peenliar attention to the question.

It inclnded persons clinging to ine present as weu as io tne last ivkvernmem. i ne resolutions to which the committee came were to the discontinuance of transpM latioh ta New South Walrsjsnd Van IKeman's Ijuid or. At ileast. idiminntion of the extent to which it hal for same years Trerums been rarrird The noble lord had told theTiouse that there was great obo eMcrs tne use of the hulks as a cf punisbxnentt bijtwhraithe Ijegislatare once resolved that the use of caaitarf tnutiment should in some degree be they then raast come Issible objection to'the descriptioii of secondary punish im hts proposed by the noble it was the tiecuiiar character of transportation that the Very rf use and of one country became the apport anil nutriment of another; that the parent state was relieved of its thieves and rero II arise of Commons applied to the Marquis of Normanbv. i bates whir were turned into prosperous labourers for'the praying thsd SS ley might be spared transportation, and seat enrichment of the colony, and that AU this was effected by instead to the hich, it was added he would much prefer, for any number of It appeared then that the hulks did no! strike sufficient terror to effect the object of deter iirgr from irrime.

1 le came next to the question of the treat rnent of criminals confiaed. in the hulks. He did not know whether it was true, but he had heard that the operation of the inagik of one single word i Such was the patriotic obiect'of r. Pitt land his colleajme in la vine iue louuuatiou ot our su siraiiani coiomes. AQ'i, surwy, they' should be too happy at becoming the beneficent instruments nnder Trondencej for ieffecting such miglity goou near.i lie oojecteu to ine report oi iue xrans effect of bringing it before a ne iribuaal, not rejferre.1 before respect to these improveiueuts, ana ca and local ir.tere.

sj. After a short conversation. Mr. J. STANLEY altered trie form of bis motion, aid prison discipline which had introduced of late years moved that it be an instrnrtion to the committee of pelectHn Neither the silent system" nor the solitary svstem could be.

the minute of the noble lord had been unfavourable to the i portation Committee upon two grounds. First, the evi health of the convicts. The evidence, taken efore ihe coro dence was very conflicting, therefore nnaatific ners inquests, on inose pirisoners inai naa seemea loitory. ne woma give an iusiancers clergyman naa oeen this view. But in the Absenceaif Jocrimontaarr.1 euiltr of a serious irrecularitv.i ahdTupon lliis the hon.

ba he wished to know why certain returns for which he moved ronet. the member for pathetically deplored "the some lime ago had not been laid e.n the table, as they ought frightful system whirh corrupts tbejpastor as well as the to have been, especially since it was known he meant ta rlock." Now; the Jlop of AnstriliA deolare.1 that this vias bring forward this motion he should not press the mAtter, a solitary instance, that it had never occurred either before but from whom we were unable to, hear, to the effect, that a i confounded the. defects which accidentally flowed fro; constant depression of strength and lassitude was remarked the "system with the svsteni itself. The Lord Chief in the convicts confined in the hulks, and tliat this was at tributable to the hard labour to which the prisoners were kept should have imagined that every degree of disd i.line and rigour necessary to be 'maintained in prisons might Lave. been niaintained in the hulks' but without these disastrous res alts.

Also he would observe, that the halks gave no opponunu or carrying into enect the improvements in to refer' the bill tri the members already named, wiltj the all dr: ion of five selected members. 1 his was agreea le. ROAD BILLS. Mr. B.CHICHESTER.brought an th; renort of the Barn staple Hoaa iiui.

Me ll'IP trii', a.1 all fh attention of the honse to certain amendments which he was about to mofe in litis position of an extraordinary degree of discipline. and ngour ure net i was prejudicial io me convict. 1 1 was natural, however, that the new it should be preferred aa a punishment to transportation'; it adopted there. In short, the hulks must be managed verr much as, our prisons were 30 years Ago. He came then to ihis quesUoa, far imprisonment for a term of years at home, even under the most advantageous drcumstiiices could, be.

used as an equivalent for transportation to a penal colony. He thought that it coma not. iie woma observe, turther, that the im bill, and. which shonld be made applicable to all fd road tiills rtrst that the mnner raised 1r tolls on road should hrst be applied in defraying the expense oi tae art. of Parliament for maVine tba mail the second caymentS should be for repairing and maintaining the road the thill.

payment shonld be for the interest of the sums borrow eu ior making the road, and if any surplus should remain over, snoma ne applied to the redaction el the sum Dorrowea. Sir J. GRAHAM iu'ggesUsi, that these were important resolutions, they ihbuldbe printed and in the hands 'of rnenv bcrs, and in the mean time the discussion respecting thep should be adjourned to, Friday. This as agreed to. rASTER.RECESS.

Lord J. RUSSELL gar notice that on Tuesday, tie 6th ef April, he should more that the booae, at its rising, should adjourn to Tuesday, tin 20th, "I Captain PECHEU, jaortd thai Major CTJatHwrtwU hare latre of absence oa iirjant priyate bniiniaa An hon. Mnnza sugjasted that thesatsr ca tlM lxainAai cboaal be ititad. CAptaJa PECHELL boo. (allaat frWad bad was natural that a nun's friends should not feel the separation so mach when he' was only aent to the hulks aa when 15.im.mJ nliles of sea rolled between therm The old idea of vengeance, of imposing upon a criminal some degree of pain which might be commensurate with his crime, was now, be (Lord Mahon)trTjsteJ, no longer entertained.

Punishment was so longer inflicted in aay such view. Men remembered from whom came the awrol words. Veneeanee is xnine." If, therefore, they could avoid the infliction of suffering con autenuy wiui we oojecu oi puniaoment, ua arotOance of suffering would, in his opinion, be a desirable object. But ther must Also avoid the contrary extreme. It appeared.

frota th fourth report of the inspectors of prisons in 1839, to hart been the practice that prisoners, if well conducted, had or menus hren TarmiUed to tee thor during the former half of their term, and one ra tan rnanthi daring the latter. Now. at first tight, this eoald not appear wry aniani'iiiTilt NiTtrthalawt, the report of th irispaeton fifrntid a recomirieaaUtioTi, waich ae Lord aUaoa) sttot atj vat fouTided spea sufieaent frtaxradc. that this pnetioe ahoald he dascootiaaed. Tliey stated that tysief tbapnmsnbtcrkM esratepoea.

Justice of New South Wales! aiiniitted that thousailds of evils 'and great abuses sprang jout of the system; of transportation. A similar statement was made by the Attornev fJeneral ani the Bishan if LAnstrsIla. IIa beldiin bis hand a letter from a clergyman who bad resided for some period in. ew South ales. 1 his gentleman could not be supposed to be influenced by personal feelings in what pe stated, as it was not his intention to return to the country.

This clergyman had no hesitation in pointing oat the abuses of the system, and At the same time he represented that! it was productive of suany benefits te the colony. At a public meeting held at IIobart to STi on the th of April, tip peAred the Key. vv iiedford, the senior chaplain ct the colony. HersAid ul have cow been; a clergyman in Vin Lheinan's Land for upwardj of 17 years. I have had frequent occasion to announce Divine service hi the midst jof harvest, and even then 1 never failed to procure a congregation.

Of the Teople of this colony I may say; that I never saw a more hospitable or kinder race of people in my life, and I should, say that they are a very mora people. Look at the which has been made in the convict popalation, all of which has been derived fr sm the moral culture bestowed on theinlby the free; look to the' great number of reclaimed convicts The testimony waa not confined to the clergy of the esubliaa merit. The Right Rev. Dr. Folding, the head of the Roman Catholic church in New South Wales stated, ia a letter to Sir Richard Boorke.

dated May 1 836 (this letter was derived treat Judge Burton excellent work on religion and dnca tionin there was "a marked and ackaowledgesl improrement in morala' in'the eacrict population, that by no means an inconsiderable nnmber" had shown a total re formation oi and he added "This moral inrprove xaent amongst our people is under the divine llessiiig, steadily pros rksss rig He (Lord MAhon) tbourht that these arrthoritiae oaghl pot to be acaTied by the boose in forra ingaaopiraooM thevibbr It bad beea asad. that erea ix tt avals kaalactaru7 tMalaabad tbat aTtrfonxatitn was eflactad fa the exroyvctA, be ajagrakl sot be hatiiad ta spocTir the famiTiei twTadcst ia lb cokoj t8 alxjader to pnninhraent of another class, all the object iot to which -they could not quite get over, 11 did not den r'tliaf both the hulks and lengthened imprisonment on land rrere to great objections' and that various disadvar. ages i arose? freira them bat those who dwelt npon theee'evils at so much length should be prepared to "saegest some re aedy they shauld show tliat a better system! could be opted, antv unless theyilid show something ofj that sort, 1. 1 could not see how the house could 'come to any definitive r. solution on the subject.

It was perfectly true that the be 1th the people confined on board the; bulks was often materially affected by sucli conlinement their spirit were de-pressed, and even their 'lives sometimes endanger but, as tbe noble lord himself Lad stated, tbe objects of these punishments Via to deter men from the commission of crime; and yet, with the full" knowledge of that object, he would send tbx ia 'greater nninb thsnsat preseM to Wales there) to receive rge wages, and perhaps make fortunes. In he Attempt to reaieve the of wImJi the noble lord complained house should be eautiuuaand take'eare that they did not incur other ol.jections eiially serious the other end. oi the scale. Another ill effect of the hula, sjatom to whitdv th uuble lord alluleil was this that when convicts we're disci arged from those places they could not readily find employm nt. In any country which bail been a long time settled it vai no easy matter" to find employment but aiirely i would i.t be saiel that it was any very great evil forj men of bad diaracter ta.

find it not easy to obaain emplbyDienf when itering" into competition with men on whose reputations there was no stain. Now, if they seat persons of bad cbaract' who were faitiliar with' evil courses to New South Wales, got rid of one evil, it was true bat then tltey fell into ai other; of an. equally serious character. The question hiiid a ready beers fully examined by a committee ofehat house, a id a great deal of valuable evidence obtained that eviden no doubt I contained some exaggerated statements but on the. whole they were well worthy of th serious attention rf.

rnry mem ber of that house. The noble lord had aIo the agfct it ne cesaary to call of ho4 members to he expense which an increased number of prisoners at the 1 oiks and a diminished number at New South Wales had lecasioned. From the statements of Mr. Capper could ot discover that this was the calse. A ret oxn, dated Februaiy24, 11841, showed that the relative expense was as 3JJJti.

which left a' balance of libtlW. against he views of the noble lord. But, after tie qui stion! be rf tween the noble lord And himself, waa a question of de gree. He did noflaltcTrtber approve of tbe existing system, at the tame time that he felt raost atuious avni 1 tlUjog colony with the rnost imiaoral pcrtion of the ppTxlace cf the mother country. He wai ededly oprsiwd making the majority of the people of the colony consist of the refuse of British ociety.

Nevertheless he" did not agre with the Arcibishon of Dablin in thinking that trsjis nhTaKvn to be abolished al toe ther; Some who hail twn u.T7. lUand ltyears traioTrxrrtation.yrere.sent to" the hUkswbDe' a large proportion of. those actually tent to New South ales were employed in tbe public works yVkaf them were so raployed. and these it all events were, safe from tbe capricious rrnislrment to under the fefjipirTit Txtetn, convicts were exposed. Tr bouse, he presumed, did not forget tbat dtrring the period when Lord Melboorne wa Secretary for the Home DerpArtment tbe practice which pra vailed at present vra, the tame which he adopted when that portion of pahlie.

aSairs was more! immediately within bis iiiuiiuctj. axe quite apwa wiui nonie.iora uiAtine lume had at length arrived when the law should define wha uertba tadnortba See rtiary State orarht to deterr that tbe docaTTarda, the hnlltA, or KewSorathyTalettbosibl be the inxtinaiinn of a exmriet; Ua aame timo he did not tiao. Vi. PAXIKQTOH abkxntd, ibat atHk led vggult.