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THE TIMES SUNDAY NOVEMBER 8 1914. SOVEMBER 8 19 U. the Peaceof Autumn. autumn is so great that it SIT troubled spirits. Un.

if' un by wind the flushed with a strange iv day. for hours together. fall upon them through ru' air as if they were trans- 1 saw of the inner peace of they are so st among the green Ilt.iL.- patterns so delicate upon rr. lran 9 of the trees that II tfl tllcm from a hillside at seaweed floating in ar. stil water.

And indeed all ti ziOi is as far away from the 1 tj Luman mind as ii it were a id. IT a memory childhood rns sharply away from if the war beyond ftlin that mankind th. ir right to it that onilriz xainly in the ears ri sir. 11. ziius1 rhaps than when UTW Id own magno.

i-- ullln wo cannot enjoy goo i It uly fortune with no IL. T.iu-'lisluuan now can i'i uitimu p. CO 01 England. 1 tii S' ion but that. other ilr 1 ii Und are invaded.

It i KndL lunm tu fighting am i ul that men re nt' It rtui uiiulneAs and crime ml tO owethinK beyond L- tin nllans are men like our. i i it laitY tluit their crime is greater' msv I ujrr wure urJappinEl tIiroug1 war trmn tin great iu. ms to peak of halpi t-ry beautiful a T' Hut in tin- very pain there 13 i ihn futllf" tli" world. for it shows i lic tN by our minds 11111 Ill Prussians with fir itflnrht tho obsolete pretend it wil i glory in it. To them is a rn jMUn what.

they want nil II riii wirs they have swiftly an I' pot whit wanted. nut now I that on does not always Ut wu liv war any more than a. t. iws if eiif and they. too tlie I of this war upon their jhi iitn v1I as uK their wraith u.

11. llv if the gaiety and the aui4 li lit If lUlin whore the people tiT i i.i i Ion" Hut Berlin is nut i PJiV mrr tlum mdon is happy. or III oU iaon whr Uio war is always on HUM- rlm no doubt. will not rif urjiafiin It is the weakness of a petiji. thus lrl1 body and soul that even V.

ti tiv iu i th nro always on paraj an UT Vi third und feel at tho word of oom- II wlulfl they maintain an obsolete rjr tJm cannot nu iiitiin an obsolete state zmijd. lor Un-in. xi if they would ootiIe UJI' IJru r- wili21pm not only becnuab Lf i loss or of national migiving but it i. an nUTmJtv and does violence Uir sod faith of all good men. We.

in of our cause yet foel uty of It id confess our unhappiness. in it FT unhappiness in the discord i' I ti our minds and all happy UM lit It. lit lie Lo Ld In il same dy by some moans attain i iMmil harmony with them. Ad it- oourafre which the. Prussian.

la. pM a l' faith in evil. twin W14U 11. has as it were IL izpJ him if. lHth bodily and spiritually fT UII inttvfc hut WI have entered into it 1 a TMHIUJ tluU we will not yield tl tL UTial of the moment.

tUt w. II unhappy and know it I A forward happier autumns Mt tprin to an ape perhaps r. I- frtn us luffed from WX DE AND THE WAR. riltllii IMIUOVEMBXT LAST MONTIT 1 fr show a i rvTnflt in the foreign i nuy as with i. war.

nlli ns morn last month in Ii lirivM an of Itriimli exports rotiO us enmpal with no of 2 millions was Ttjt have lucreasod by 1 in. 1 with an advance of in St Thus TV ulxiuicsod by nearly rlIIoIt or at the rate of I 1-- wl dill" to higher priee. 101 was one day longer making allowances vult is encouraging. lariri- increase in imports grin meat. fuel oil 1 Tlic expansion in ilu to the divtriion of Continental places to IJt.

is shown hen with 1913. the a. 7088 II pt JUlttOSM JLrfCSS7 2l8pc. rl A. 1 1 131 1' nJHJUnctl that in ultimate destination I T- uill be required :1 Ui all iln places I lflaek and i in the Allied 1 tu al Certificates of I.

ured in respect of ira- 11 arid certain other navia Denmark. Hoi- t' Italy but small con. THE PROPOSED DAY OF PRAYER. A NATIONAL CONFESSION. TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES.

Sir To many of us it must be a relief that. the long-awaited call to some explicit national recognition of God baa at. last been sounded and sounded from the highest quarters and we are grateful to his Majesty for his message in The Times of Thursday. nut surely not a few. and those not Ute tea thoughtful of your readers nor those least con.

vinced of the tightness of our cause. must have beet disappointed that the scope of the pro posed Day of Prayer being limited for reasons of policy. We are to pray and intercede we may give thanks and remember those who have fallen but apparently anything that savours of humiliation must be avoided- for fear of mi nndflrHfandings at home or abroad. Granted that the word humiliation" is unfortunate. end might possibly be taken amiss is there therefore no occasion for the thing signified nor any other way of acknowledging that there Li Before destruction the heart of man haughty we admit it and apply it in our hearts to certain other people why.

should we forget that the proverb ends and fore honour is humility Do we think we are already humble enough as a nation for purposes of success Or is it perchance that we should like to be humble but dare not for fear of aspersing our cause Surely whatever we re humility is not one of our national virtues nor there much evi. dence of its coming to us pow. That is one reason why we are not yet as a nation. spiritu. ally alive and fused into one.

That after three months of warfare and such warfare- so many of us are still unimpressed and almost unconcerned is itself sufficient cause for humilia. tion. Tho uses to which enterprising traders put the national motto. Business as usual are becoming little short of nauseating. What ever the faults of our enemies they are by accounts intensely alive end convinced end united.

Our Russian allies are thrilled I one man with the sense that they are fighting in a holy war. Even France the whilom sceptic is said to be experiencing a religious revival and lies made a striking official recantation by once morn appointing chaplains to her troops. But we even still we need too impressive reminders which you. Sir. almost daily give us in your leading articles that the nation as a whole has not even yet risen to the height of the situation.

Whatever our causes for confident thankfulness and they are many- have we not here a real cause for self-abasement And are there not other causes too alike in the past and in the present Is there for instance no indictment of both past and present in the reports of moral disorder among our troops in some places which again you Sir. have frankly deplored in your leading columns It is surely possible to find ample reasons for humbling ourselves before Almighty God without being for a moment ashamed of or un. certain about. the cause we have in hand. or the way in which we have so far tried to defend it.

But the fear I suppose- is that some and especially the enemy might think that this is what really mean. and hail it as a sign of I so what matter To be so conscious about it is surely as great a mark of weakness and might as easily be taken as evidence of a bad conscience. We might well Mm from our enemy his fine contempt for Ivhat people will think. when lie is convinced jlhat his advantage lies a certain way. Where a gain of power it concerned.

nothing else much matters. And for us presumably it is also a case of gaining power else why should we go to God at all Were it not then well to remember that God rteth the proud but giveth grace unto the humble" It. is one more cause for humiliation that at a time like the present we are neither strong enough to be humble nor humble enough to be strong. nut alter all are not tied to the word humiliation. For our pretient purposes the word confession" is just a good.

Could it not be mlroaucca into tne programme 01 our National Day of Prayer The actual terms are of minor importance the thing signified is surely vital. There i still something in the old Greek thinking about Nemesis. After all it has a real connexion with the Christian doctrine of justification by repentance and faith. If for whatever reason we are not ready to humble ourselveti under the mighty hand of God we may instead find ourselves humbled by it. It is not only for our own sakes that we try to Him for victory and pray against defeat.

We trust that we are also fighting for liberty and for the Kingdom of God. Yet perhaps oven the human future might have more to gain by our going under alive at last than by out winning with soul still half asleep. I son Oxford. Nov. 6.

OXONIENSIS THE NEW ZEALAND ELECTIONS. WELLINGTON Nov. 7. In view of the coming elections Mr. Massey the Premier has issued a manifesto setting out he policy of his party.

The first plank it for New Zealand to sustain her share in the responsi. ilities of Empire vigorously to promote nil training and to continue her naval policy which is adequately to maintain the- supremacy of the British flag in the Pacific and to ensure the security of the trade routes. Mr. Massey's domtie policy includes additional preference to British manufactures. Renter.

THE KINGS OLDEST SURGEON. DEATH OF SIR JOHN BY COLE Sir John By Cole Read. KCU ths oldiwt honorary cartoon to the King. has 4154 at road. oourt aged U.

Us entered the Army Medical Department in 1154 became SurgtsmflizezZ in 115 sad retired i 1192. He served throughout the Crimean campaign. being prrsent ai the battles of Alma and InVermaa and at the sssntl on Uedan sad the siege of Sebastopol. where he was wundM received the medal with three clasps and the Turkish medal. lie lmo served in the Indian MuUitj at the action 1 Cwnpore the siege and capture of Luckzior.

and In other battles including the Oude campaign. In the Afghan War 1878 he was present at the entry into SIMI WM mentioned in dispatches. During the List five years of service he was professional assistant too the General of the An Medical Department of the War Office. lie was appointed Honorary Surgeon to Queen Victoria In 11181 and was awarded the Jubilee Medal in 1197 lid the Coronation Medals In 1803 lid 1911. DEATH OF SIR ANDREW REED.

The death took lit Dublin yesterday of Soil Andrew Reed. KLB who for many yean was nap ctor ral of the Royal Irish Constabulary. GERMAN ACCOUNT OF THE RAID AT YARMOUTH. AMSTERDAM Nov. 9.

The following official mumuniavi rhea out truss the Herman headquarters to-day On November our tart. .1 small rn attacked the lJdtbh rout off Yarmouth sod shelled U. coast works together with some small vesseU anchored in the neighbourhood which ed sot to expect the attack. The strong British forces which protect this important port were not then there. The British Admiralty announce that the submarine which seemed to foQow our eroisen truck a nun end THE GERMAN VENTURE.

frNieuport Rudjiervoordt orout SJl 7l ro yPoperinqhe tassel Cassel fl ubourdi tn 1 La Base GERMAN WAR NEWS. THE FIGHTING OFF YARMOUTH. The following German war news is officially circulated through the German wireless stations and received by the Maroon Company- BERLIN Nov. 7. The main headquarters report issued this afternoon states Our attacks in the direction of Ypres made considerable progress yesterday especially to the southwest of Ypres where we captured 1000 French prisoners lid three machine runs- Preach attacks to the west of Noyon lid gins the villages of d.

Ghevonne captured by us were repulsed with heavy losses to the enemy. We had taken the village of Sapignoul which occupied with forces only lid being continuously under the heaviest French artillery fire we were obliged to evacuate this position. At non the eny were repulsed lid in the Forest. of they were driven further back. In the eastern of the war three Russian cavalry divisions which had crossed the Warts near Kolo were defeated thrown back across the river.

There were no further engagements here. Signed. Cuixu or IBM Anxzcieraarros. Vienna official reports state that no fighting took place in the north yesterday. The movement of the Austrian Array in Russian Poland sad in Gllcta art taking place according to the pre-arranged plans and II undisturbed by the enemy.

although at certain plat along the front conquered territory has again been temporarily ceded to the Russians notwithstanding the locally fnourable position. This la justified In the interest of the general situation. The Reichstag will assemble on December S. A preliminary conference of all parties will be held on the day before the opening to consider the ore- porsa1s to be put before the Reichstag. The Austrian Emperor received in audience and decorated Mr.

Hall. in recognition of that man efforts concerning the well-being of Austrian and Hungarian subjects Interned In Great Britain. The Vienna correspondent of the Krfcr Ztiiuxy stains that the Servian Crown Prince several high tterrian officials and the late Russian Minister at Belgrade M. twig. were concerned in the oonspiricy for the waadnatiou of the Archduke Francis The German newspapers.

In referring to the naval engagement seat Yarmouth. emphasize the fact that not for centum tad the coast of England been attacked by foreign wareMps. The offlclal account of this engagement tates On November our large sad smash cruiser VM the English coast near Yarmouth lid inbrded Ute shore forts also sum. small vessels anchored in the neilhbourboud which apparently did not ex poet to be attacked. There were no strong Uriloih on the spot for the protection of this important hjerbuur According to the report of the British Admiralty the Bubnu rine 6 followed AI' cruiser and truck a nius and sank.

OERHAN PRISONERS OF WAR. It officially stated that the numbena of war prisoner in Germany on November I were a follows French. 3131 officers. 1II 1 men. Russian.

311 officers 1177 Belgian. 7 a. US01 British 417 ors 15730 neo. Making a WI of 43347. Thess au do not include the prisoners than on their way to y.

A Turkish cruiser is reported to have sunk the Russian Alexander the Greet seat Sevastopol. It it repotted that the revolution kindled by Genoa misaaries s4aInst the Portuguese colony 1 la pres4iag. The oolosqrs troop are UsnfflcUni to dafsi4 the sovthern treatise of the oolooy alast a IOIi a brigade is being sent fries PorWpL The Turks as said to be making oacrooxshosaats upon the Sinai Peaissn1s. About a quarter a million troop are engaged In fpsratioas oIa Egypt The Finance Minister for the State of Bade ha declared that i on a much scale than was expected sad that the economic situation has coosidmhly since The uaWo In Poland. which has bees sipecteit for several days has not yet developed en lbs condition of U- roods which makes rapid movements impossible.

The cold weather now setting in will. however. Improve mattes's. No information lit available as to U. now position ear- by the Au tro-Oerm forces.

but the have undoubtedly misled superior forces farther south. The Austrian UM too harass the enemy and not a day passe without U. capture of 1000 or more prisoner Quarter-Master Genera Pearson who WM engaged In the no. Will I now is Berlin sad ha. stated in a tMvw his belief that the Boers will oos thta riml1Ly to throw off U- British yoke.

There lit little conment ba the 0- a regarding the loss of U- Torch. Rere low. ill U- TsiSv Ut that the loss of this old oared truer does not In any way rides. the strength of the Gorman Fleet THE KING AND LONDON SCOTTISH. VISIT TO THE WOUNDED IN HOSPITAL.

The King and Queen paid a visit yesterday afternoon to the wounded soldiers British and Belgian at St. Bartholomew's Hospital. where they were received by Lord Sandhurst and other officials of the institution. Among the wounded were many who were admitted only the previous evening. Their Majesties conversed with every patient.

and their sympathetic inquiries were keenly appreciated. They also went to the Fishmongers' Hall Hospital. where there are 22 wounded men. The patients at the former hospital included a number of non-commissioned officer and men of the London Scottish about 100 of whom were under treatment yesterday St. Bartholomew's and the London Hospitals.

A few others who were but slighUy injured. have been allowed to go horn. It i reported that there are iz or eight serious eases at the hospitals lid that all the others are doing well. At the headquarters of the regiment. Westminster many inquiries have been made by anxious relatives but no official return of the killed and wounded has yet come from the front However such particular.

of the engagement as have been obtained from the wounded in London tend to confirm the announcement made in TII Times on Wednesday that the losses were not so great as was at lint supposed. The regiment was under fir for 30 hours. or from 6 or 7 in the morning until noon the next day. The famous charge took place during the night and the scene was near YetII5lnee. A large force of the Oer- man infantry advancing to the position held by the London Scottish were with fixed bayonet and put to the rout.

In the morning when the roll was called. many of the men failed to answer. It was this circumstance which rave rue to the con. ectnre that the casualties had been serious. The regiment had advanced to it position in sections widely part lid later on happily most of the missing came in.

A MARCH THROUGH LONDON. The lad battalion of the London Scottish left their teed quarters In ltuekingK mgato yesterday morning or a JO mile route march to Kinpbury near Hendon and back. They looked a One body of as they swung along to the strains of the bagpipes witty Colonel Oreic. KO MI the rolllDUndinl oat their head. A they passed Buckingham PulSeS the sentries presented arms and the bSttin4fl were greeted with much enthusiasm by crowds of i pa on their way UUoucb Hyde Pull.

lid along road my tn marching part of the way with them. BRITISH SUBJECTS IN GERMANY. THOUSANDS INTERNED. AMSTERDAM Nov. 7.

According to the Berlin newspapers the internment of British subjects living in Germany was effected yesterday. One hundred and forty were arrested in Bavaria. 130 in Frankfurt 440 in Hamburg these are interned in a vessel there and 80 in COPENHAGEN Nov. 7. Arrests of British subjects continue in all the towns of Germany.

About 2000 have been arrested in Hamburg alone the majority of them being interned aboard ships in the harbour. All Englishmen of military age belenging to the Salvation Array hays also been arrested and he German branch of the Salvation Army itself has been placed under control. ostensibly in order that German money shall not be spent in foreign countries. Some of the German papers allege that many Englishmen attempted to escape before their arrests could be effected but a private dispatch 111 that in every QUO the constable WI received on his arrival with quiet dignity and followed immediately. Ctntnl Veto GERMAN OFFICERS' ESCAPE.

zox on ooxxxsrxun Drr. COPENHAG EN Nov. 7. The Polilihn states that three German officers in mufti provided with passports from the Swiss General at New York have safely arrived at Copenhagen on board the steamer British warships in the Atlantic searched the rom without discovering the disguised Germans Ira. Kb Drdma Moor.

ka her Christmas" Chop-Box oa tar tl troop- la West Africa III now closed and UM box will se sent out WI week. FRENCH HONOURS FOR OUR TROOPS. THE MEDAILLE MILITAIRE. AWARDED FOR GALLANTRY BY AW MEN. It is announced iQ Army Order under date November 5 that the President of the French Republic baa bestowed the decoration Militsire on the following warrant officers non-commissioned officer and men of the Expeditionary Force with the approval of Majesty the King In recognition of their gallantry during the operations between August 21 and 30.

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pRox ova SPZCIAL rouJUONDDl IN THE NORTH OF FRANCE Nov. 7. During recent fighting in the North of Franco the Germans left 700 wounded behind them in one area of the battlefield. These un wore attended to by our field doctors and ambulance moo. and wore later taken to a ld hospital.

Having previously got the range of the building the enemy that night under the impression that the patients wore French and British began to shell it. Their aim was erratic and the damage done was not extensive. The German disregard for the Red Cross is as general I their abuse of Ute white flag. Poetic justice demanded that the enemy should find out. for thernielve.

what the shelling of a hospital means to the unfortunate men inside it. Stories related to by eye of the conduct of the enemy in the fllagns and towns they recently pawed through in the north of France cannot fie repeated. They only serve to remind one of the depths to which human nature- may descend. It is felt that the Germans have shot their I bolt. I was told by a witness whom I consider reliable that frantic effort were made by the Germans to drive ter troops to victory.

One dead German officer had a dog whip in one I band a revolver in the other. CANADIAN TRADE WITH AUSTRALIA. vbx or T. OTTAWA NOT. 8.

It understood that negotiations for Reciprocity Treaty with ar being re-opined by the Canadian Government with every likelihood of a trade agreement being reached. THE TUBES" HISTORY OF THEWAR. HOW OUR MEN WERE TAKEN TO FRANCE. The reasons for the German advance through Belgium are fully explained in Part 12 or TM Time History of the War. and bow and why Belgian resistance upset the German plan of campaign.

to which time was all important. A specially compiled statement of the com-position of the Expeditionary Force is given. with a biography of its in Marshal Sir John French. It is worth noting that the transportation of the Force to France is described and discussed with a freedom and detail which the censorship. for public considerations has hitherto forbidden.

Many points of great importance are dealt with for the- first time in print or are for the first time explained. The illustrations and special maps and plans are again notable for their interest and utility. The whole of Part 12 is a stirring record of the resourcefulness military skill and the courage of the Allies end the iron discipline but rigid adherence to inoperative or impracticable general ideas of the enemy. Fart-12 will be published on Tuesday. TRADING WITH NEUTRAL COUNTRIES.

THE ULTIMATE DESTINATION OF EXPORTS. A supplement to the Londcn Gazttta was issued last night containing an important notice with regard to the Proclamation relating to Trading with the Enemy. It announces that. in future Declarations of Ultimate Destination. made by responsible TOn will required until further notice in respect of all exports.

Irreepectire of the ysluc of cojwignin nt to all foreign place. In Europe. or on the Mediterranean pr Black Seas. with the exception of thoM situated in ROMU. Belgium.

Pnne Kiwun and Portugal. Certificates of origin will also be required for im. ports front Norway. Sweden Denmark Holland Switzerland Italy except in re peet of foodstuffs anti certain other article. or in respect of Individual consignments not exceeding 25 In value.

In the appeal printed below Sir George Reid High Commissioner for Australia while recognizing that now not the time to reopen the vexed question of Imperial Preference propones that in recognition of the great sacrifices that our sell-governing Colonies have made in agreeing to cut themselves oft from all markets for their wheat. 51 Hour ano moot in orucr mat no wnOleo shall be available for the- people of these islands. if and when we need it the British Government should buy from the Colonies at ruling market prices the copper. lead and other metals needed for the war and so ensure the employment. of BS much labour possible in the Colonies The present state of war which covers so many nation and market has called for a number of interferences with th ordinary currants of ocean cummpne.

The commercial ntfT i have been overwhelmed by the national e. A series of Royal dm kayo radically affected the trade of every part of this vv Empire. Au the mot distant of all the Dominions has loyally rrajvmded to the wishes of UM Imperial ioyeynnent. nrd I hay. no doubt the other Dznmione have I' 1:1 of three Proclamations which the Austrian OoTenaatnt has enforced.

vitally affect leading JPOrta and have suddsniy UI off some of her Ur and mo promising forein markets imperially that of the United States. The leading lines of Australia's exports are compukoriir directed to destinations in harmony with this of the British GoYernment. A qutwtion ri whether this extraordinary compulsory diversion of trade mainly in the inters of Great Britain should not met by at least an especially friendly attitude in official lid trading circles towards Australian product when they reach their patriotically enforced market in the Mother Country. In this matter surely tome course might be adopted to give erect to a real preference. If it can be done without emnia too tnfrinqe the poll' tical principles of a party and established we under whit' tenders for supplies are Invited there should surely hi- prompt action.

I hue thought very carefully U-- matters in th hope that some method or methods might he I i bible to enable the Unti con especially the OoTemment departments to do the right thing without trenchin on polities or acting unfairly to tenderers. But the right thing should dons once somehow or other. In the ca vi tome Australian products I have found those interested willing to fall in with an arrangement which avoids all the difficulties to which I hare referred. These importers wk that metals thall be ordered directly from them on the understanding that the price to be paid shall bo determined on tke of fir and ordinary market rates. In some th.

market rates are determined by bodies who quotations are authoritative in other cm there would be slight difficulty but. in all cases those whom have consulted are willing in case of a difference of pinion as to the market rate. to slow at II rate the War Office anti the Admiralty to clooro their own method of deciding what the whet rate is. I cannot conceive of a more reasonable offer than that. At any rate these approaches which I have brought to the notice of the Government.

seam to me deserve from every point of view the most favour- able reception. I earnestly hope that the great Government Departments and all other greet buyer of thu pruduce of Australia win recognise in a ticAl way the enormous sacrifice Australia making in order to strengthen the commercial and industrial resources of this great oeau. of the Empire. U- rue illustrate the urgency of this matter. The salt.

of copper and Wad just to take two examples. affects mines In Australia emptoyimg many hnnen ti of hands. Germany used to take Urge quantities of copper and lead and concentrates. lft relief a to the concentrates Impossible psrnaps. but the ready we of the copper end the lead may help to keep thousands of mss employed profitably in our Australian mines who might otherwise loss ISne of the ways of pt ring Or an teed.

III capture Australian raw materials. Yet that these can never be a better chance. In the Outposts of the Empire. Writing on Oct. 9th.

1914. from Dominica. West Indies. E. Foorf.

Esq. says tbank you for THE Tnm War Maps received. It is indeed a very fine 9 d. trot-lb. I bad been using Ibe Map wbicb bad been preciously sent to me but mil gladly change to IN easier-to-read maps of Tu Tuoa.

THE TIMES" WAR ATLAS 24 Maps and Plans PRICE 9d. has been reinforced by a SUPPLEMENT 19 new Maps and Plans PRICE. 6d. The 43 Maps and Plans contained in The Times War Alms and ib Supplement constitute a complete cartographical guide to the War. Supplement tan kuiIl separably.

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