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Minneapolis Star and Tribune Oct. 18,1984 gA a A INCnEDSBLE 1 SVr LoftX. rmw -SawSifc, sf i 4 i Investigation Continued from page 8A social workers. "There have always been people around when they saw each other," she said. "They've never been able to say, 'Let's make up this horrible They've never bad the opportunity to pull this all together and rehearse." Not only were the children's descriptions consistent, she said, but they were told with enough emotion to convince Interviewers.

"It's not just the details that make them convincing, but the effect behind the stories. They're extraordinarily upset when they recount these things. They'd have to be world-class actors to be so convincing if it wasn't true." Phipps-Yonas said the terror the children exhibit from the stories makes it seem unlikely that, they are repeating tales told them by adults to scare them and keep them quiet. "I wouldn't rule it out," she said. "But for the children to be as terrorized as they are when they talk about these things, it just doesn't do it for me.

I don't think they would have the terror if they were simply stories." The therapist also dismissed the possibility that the violence might have been staged to scare the children. She said some children alleged that they saw bodies disposed of something that would be difficult to stage in a convincing way. Robert Van Siclen, a Kiel Clinic psychologist who interviewed some of the former defendants' children, denied allegations of some defendants that the children had been pressured or coached to tell damaging stories about their parents and other adults. "From the first day I had a case referred to me, prosecutors said that the mental health of my clients took precedence over the investigation," he said. "If the kids couldn't handle things we were talking about, the questioning stopped, even if it would mean dropping the charges." Van Siclen said he believes the children's accounts.

But, he noted, "Children's memory is impressionistic; it's not chronological or linear. They knit together their impressions in a variety of ways." Dr. Robert Fisch, a University of Minnesota pediatrician who did physical and psychological examinations of some of the alleged victims, said that even inconsistent accounts by the children could not be dismissed. "Even a liar can undergo trauma and abuse," he said. "Some of what they say may not be true, but that doesn't mean nothing happened." While therapists and defense attorneys have talked freely of the cases in recent days, city and county au-.

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