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Investigation Continued from page 1A SWAROVSKI SHOW if A I I Minneapolis Star and Tribune 8 A Oct 18, 1984 Pornography Continued from page 7 A The report said, "Inquiring about the buyer of the movies, (the victim) states that she recalled a time when they drove a car to the (former defendant's) house and parked it in the back. (The girl) also stated that' there were different cars involved and that they were not always the same one." The mother of the 10-year-old boy, who asked that her name not be printed, said yesterday that her son "is now saying it didn't happen because he may be afraid of being hurt." She said that her son was threatened with death by Rud and that the child is now receiving therapy. She said that she supervised her child and required him, while he was playing in the mobile home park where they lived, to report home every two or three hours. "I watched my child as best as a mother could," she said. "Last night I reread the statement he gave to police, just to remind myself of how serious this is, and the hurt of it all came home," the mother said.

"After he found out that Rud had mentioned my name, he changed his story because he was afraid I would be hurt. There's so much detail in his statement that I find it hard to believe it didn't happen. "When he said those things, he able to distinguish fantasy from reality, I think. That's what scares me." of seeing child pornography activities and as many as three homicides. The state is treating the allegations seriously, he said, because the children independently described the events to different therapists.

But he acknowledged that the children were neighbors or classmates and could have shared the information before telling it to others. "These kids have seen something," he said. "What it is, we are not sure of." Former defendants and defense attorneys in the sexual-abuse cases question the credibility of the homicide allegations. They say that Scott County authorities often brought the children together after taking them from their parents, making it possible for the children to join in creating wild stories to please the authorities. "The Scott County people were battering the children with questions every day," said defense attorney Carol Grant.

"No accusation has been good enough for the Scott County authorities. They keep asking the kids, 'What else? What Grant gave the Star and Tribune a count, based on police records from the cases, of 46 interviews with seven children this year. She also said the children were brought together for pool parties and at least one out-of-town trip. When the children were separate, she said, social workers fed accusations of other children to therapists and interrogators so they could question the child about them. Therapists who interviewed the children deny that the children were coached.

They say that the detail and consistency of the accounts make them believable. According to one interviewer, a child described a boy being cut by several people until he went into convulsions and seizures and finally died. Then, the interviewer said, people at the party took him "like an animal and hung him over a tub until he bled out enough to be wrapped in a canvas tarp. He was put into a truck and never seen by the kid again. "I personally believe that this kid actually saw someone die," the interviewer said.

"If you haven't seen someone die you don't know what it looks like. It's not like where they hold their chest and fall down." At least two other children said they witnessed the episode firsthand, the source said, and the stories are substantially the same. The three children have been separated since they were placed under the care of authorities, he said. The purported killing, which allegedly took place in the summer of 1983, was not revealed to investigators until early last August, the source said. He said the children didn't tell of the killing earlier because no one asked them about such things.

"They only answered the questions they were asked, because they didn't want to get their parents In trouble," he said. "They were also afraid. One kid told of being taken outside by adults with a dog. They shot the dog and said, 'That's what happens to you if you Authorities learned of the killing, this source said, during an interview about animal torture. "They asked, 'Were any animals and the kid said, 'No, just That was the bombshell.

We started asking, 'What kids, where, when did it Susan Phipps-Yonas, a Minneapolis psychologist who interviewed many of the former defendants' children, said she could not talk about the details of the murder allegations. But, she said, "I find the children's stories very persuasive. There is enough consistency in the details of the stories to make one believe the things they describe really did happen." She said more than six children told of homicides "they either witnessed or witnessed and participated in." The BCA's Erskine said only three children told of homicides. Children said some of the violence was photographed, as were some of the sexual acts that were forced upon the children, according to Phipps-Yonas. In addition, she said, the children were sometimes paid.

"Kids said sometimes they were paid for posing, sometimes their parents were paid, and sometimes they didn't know," Phipps-Yonas said. Some of the payments involved substantial sums, she said, leading to speculation that organized crime might be involved. "The kids who are old enough to know the meaning of a dollar said sometimes $1,000 or more was involved," she said. The psychologist said the children's statements usually implicated the same group of adults they knew. But at different times, they said, they saw people they didn't know, indicating there may also have been outsiders, she said.

Phipps-Yonas said some of the children who told of the killings have had opportunities to see each other since their parents' arrests, but never without the presence of foster parents, investigators, attorneys or Investigation continued on page 9A Don't miss this rare opportunity to see the entire Swarovski Silver Crystal collection. The cutting, polishing and hand crafts of Swarovski crystal from Austria produces incredible colors, refraction and sparkle, A studio representative will be available to answer your questions about this unique product. SATURDAY, OCTOBER 20, llam-5pm SOUTHDALE STORE Russian Orthodox'church reopens in Chinese port Associated Press Peking, China A Russian Orthodox church has reopened to worshipers in Harbin, capital of China's northeast Heilongjiang province, 18 years after it was forced to close, the official press agency Xinhua reported Wednesday. "More than 50 churchgoers attended the ceremony of blessing the font and cross which was officiated by (priests) Zhu Shifu, 61, and Du Lifu, 63, on the morning of Oct. 14," Xinhua said.

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