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6A. Oct 18, 1984 Minneapolis Star and Tribuna Excerpts of Jordan police transcript forced him to put on women's clothes.) Q. OK, after that happened, what happened after that? A. Well, him and a lady made us get into a room, two in a room, a boy and a girl. What did you do when you got in the room? A.

They made us do poses and stuff like that and they took pictures of us through the door. Q. Who took the pictures? A. A photographer. Q.

Was there another woman or another man in there too? A. No, there was sort of like a lady in the corner and if we didn't do Jtuff they would whip us. Q. One of the ladies with a whip was there too? A. Yes.

Q. How long did this last? A. About half an hour. Q. Then what happened? A.

They made the girl do stuff to me and me do stuff to the girl. Q. Do you know any of the girls' names that were there? A. They just called everybody "hon-eychild" and "toys." (The boy then described an oral sex act between himself and a girl.) Q. What happened after that? A.

They gave the girl a shot and she was drowsy, and then got her dressed up and then it was just a big blackout and I woke up in the woods. Q. Can you tell me anything else about the people there or anything else that they made you do? A. They were crazy. They just were crazy.

At the very beginning, they just said, "Oooh, look what we brought in here, a new toy." And Transcript continued on page 7A '''J'-M i ill illlli lilf Following are excerpts of a transcript of an October 1983 interview in which a Jordan boy. then 10, told Jordan police about bow he was twice abducted and forced to perform sex acts. Q. OK, what did Jim Rud say to you or did be say anything to you? A. Yes, do you want a ride home? He just asked me a couple more times and I kept on saying no.

And then he said, "Yes you do." He had some sort of it looked like a little miniature sized BB gun. Q. He had a gun? A. Yes. Q.

What did he do with the gun? A. He had it in his coat and he was pushing it in my back to make me get in the car. Q. Did you get in the car? A. Yes.

Q. Were you afraid? A. Yes. Q. Tell me about that, why were you afraid? A.

Because if somebody forced me to get in a car with a gun I would be afraid. He said he was going to shoot me. (The boy said he was driven to a "bluish gray" house in or near Shak-opee with a small junkyard full of cars in the backyard. He said the house was full of men, women and children, he was ordered to go inside.) Q. Did he use the gun to make you go in the house? A.

No. Because there were other men there that made me go in. Q. There were other men there? A. Yes.

Q. How many men were there? A. A lot of men. Q. How old do you think they were? A.

Not all of them were men, most of them would be around their early 20s or late teens. Q. Were there any older men there? A. Yes, Jim Q. Any close to 30? A.

Yes, there were a couple of photographers there. Q. Do you know who these photographers who these people were? A. No. Q.

Did you ever see them before? A. No. 1 Q. OK, so what did you do when you got inside? A. Well, Jim did something in back of the door and then they kept on calling each other brothers and stuff like that.

Q. Calling each other brothers? A. And sisters if there were girls there. Q. Were there girls there? A.

Yes, ladies. Q. Ladies? How old were the ladies? A. I don't know, around 20. Q.

Did you recognize any of the ladies there? A. No. Q. Can you describe any of them for me? A. There were a couple of ladies there with unusual clothes on.

Q. Unusual clothing. Tell me about that A. Well they had real dark mascara and really dark stuff on and they had see-through clothes on. Q.

OK, did any of them say anything to you? A. Except there were women that were whipping kids if they didn't do the right stuff. Q. There were women whipping kids if they didn't do the right stuff? A. Yes.

Q. How many women were dressed like that with these whips? A. Around seven of them. Q. Seven of them? A.

And they had a whole bunch of rooms in there. Q. Were there other kids there? A. Yes. Q.

How many kids do you think were there? A. Two in a room. There were about 14 kids there. Q. About 14 kids, all boys or girls or what? A.

They were mixed. Q. Mixed. OK, did you know any of the kids? A. No.

Q. OK, how about the men? A. They had masks on. Q. They had masks on, even the photographers? A.

No. Q. Could you recognize the photographers if you ever see them again. A. Yes, they almost all look like Elvis.

Q. Most of them look like Elvis? A. Yes, they dressed up like El is. Q. OK, you are inside the house and then you see these women with see-through clothing on? A.

Yes. Q. What did they tell you to do? A. They didn't tell me to do nothing. Jim made me get in a room.

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