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AtO WEDNESDAY. OCTOBER 8, 1997 OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING THE SALINA JOURNAL Ex-Klansman says white supremacist called for bombing s. Former grand dragon says aide talked about blasting federal buildings Bj> The Associated Press -t~- OKLAHOMA CITY — A reformed Klansman tried to implicate a Tulsa white supremacist Tuesday in the Oklahoma City bombing, claiming the man discussed blowing up federal build- lags several times between 1988 and 1991. luThe Rev. Johnny Lee Clary, a former grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan and a former leader of the White Aryan Resistance, said h<8 accused Dennis Mahon, his former right-hand man, in testimony before a grand jury investigating allegations of a larger conspiracy and a government cover-up. .'."Dennis Mahon is a very dangerous individual," said Clary, who left the Klan in 1993 to become a minister. "He has talked to me several times about blowing up federal buildings. . Mahon, a leader in the White Aryan Resistance who runs a Dial-a-Racist hotline, condemned Clary as a liar. "I have never, ever said anything like this," said Mahon, who denied any involvement in the bombing that killed 168 people. Mahon said he was at his parents' farm in Illinois on the morning of April 19,1995. "Johnny always needs attention," Mahon said in a telephone interview from his home in Tulsa. "He'll do anything for the limelight." Clary conceded he has no information linking Mahon directly to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. •""I never had any specific information that he ever said the Mur- The Uncommon Florists rah building," Clary said. "He did say he was going to blow up federal buildings." Clary also conceded that he had not heard Mahon make such a threat since 1991, four years before the bombing. "He made the statements in '88. He made the statements in '89, '90. He made the statements again in 1991," Clary said. Another witness who testified before the grand jury, Oklahoma City warehouse worker David Snider, says he saw Mahon with Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City on the morning of the bombing. Snider had his sister draw a picture from his description and presented the sketch to the grand jury. The sketch depicts a long-haired man with large sunglasses. Mahon wears his hair shorter. "It looks like Dennis Mahon in one of his Mexican disguises," Clary said Tuesday. Another witness testified for more than two hours Tuesday afternoon, an unidentified woman in dark sunglasses and a baseball cap. She refused to speak with reporters except to say she was not from Oklahoma. Clary's testimony sets the stage for the Carol Howe, a former federal informant who is expected to testify before the grand jury on Wednesday. Howe has said she overheard Mahon and German national Andreas Strassmeir discuss blowing up federal buildings before the bombing. Howe, a former Tulsa debutante, was acquitted on federal conspiracy and bomb threat charges in an unrelated case this summer. A government agent testified that Howe was dropped as an informant in March 1995 because of questions about her mental stability. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the FBI briefly reactivated her after the bombing, but said she provided no useful information and was no longer used as an informant. The grand jury convened on June 30 after a petition drive by state Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, and Glenn Wilburn, an Oklahoma City accountant who lost two young grandsons in the bombing. Wilburn died of pancreatic cancer shortly after the panel convened. Prospective juror says McVeigh needed help in building huge bomb By The Associated Press DENVER — A prospective juror said Tuesday he believes Terry Nichols is guilty because it probably took more than one person to build the bomb that destroyed the Oklahoma City federal building. The man, an explosives expert with detailed knowledge of ammonium nitrate-fuel oil bombs, said he tried to learn as much as possible about the bombing because of his work. But flaws in his knowledge of the case showed when he said Nichols accompanied Timothy McVeigh when McVeigh was arrested and likely was with McVeigh when he rented the Ryder truck that carried the bomb. McVeigh was alone when he was arrested on an unrelated gun charge. Authorities have ruled Nichols out as the man seen with McVeigh when the truck was rented. Defense attorney Ron Woods became angered and slammed his ju- ry folder down on the table when U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch cut short his probing questions about the man's belief that more than one person was needed to build the bomb. The man eventually acknowledged one person could have built the bomb "with some difficulty." Six candidates were questioned Tuesday, including a retired postal service carrier and a United Parcel Service employee. Thirty-nine prospects have been questioned since the trial began. One man was excused Tuesday because he was a part-time student. The judge and lawyers spent more than an hour questioning another prospect, a young house painter who said two people convicted of the same crime deserve the same penalty, a notion unfavorable to the defense given McVeigh's death sentence. He also was disturbed by the deaths of children. "That kind of bothered me, innocent children dying," he said. "There's no need for that." Earlier, a mother of two young children began crying and wiped her eyes as she recalled the children who died in the explosion. Asked what she felt when she sato the first televised images of the devastation, she replied: "Overwhelming grief." Nichols, 42, could get the death penalty if convicted of murder and conspiracy in the 1995 bombing that killed 168 people and injured hundreds of others. McVeigh was convicted of the same charges in June and sentenced to die. ;. 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