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WEDNESDAY EVENING, APRIL 11, 1906 TET5 THE PITTSBURG PftESS i Our Boys' Department DOWIE FEARED UNSEEN FOES i i ievv easier uiuvci New Easter Neck Fixings Youths' Spring Suits ages 14 to 20 years: made by the leading manufacturers of this country; in black thibet. The -very best 2-CIasn Glace Kid Gloves are to be found at our glove counter; come in blacks, whites, tans, browns, gravs. greens, blue serges, fancy worsteds and tweeds 1, niues ami SI. 00 blues ami all styles: intended to retail at $15. During Easter Sae reds; every pair -war-.

runt el Just in Very Stylish Venise, Oriental, Battenberg and Baby Irish Lace Stock Collars; come In -white, butter and cream ftP-colors, 9Sc, 75c, 49c and Aw WW Large Lace Collars for your new spring coat come in round and square shapes; In cream, white and butter color; val- QQ. ues up to $2.00, while they last you can buy them for, each. vlOG Something very desirable for spring wear are the soft Jap. Silk Neck Scarfs with three rows of hemstitching; come IV2 yards long and yard wide; in black, white, pink, nile green, TQ-red and gray yQ The Police of Zioa Discovered Secret Room in Shiloh HoHse lvayser's celebrated tVnsnable Gloves with double tipped fingers warranted to wear longer than any other glove made: come in Little Fellows Salts. O'Coat and Reefers ages to lO years.

Suits in Russian or sailor styles: o'coats in but-ton-to-the-neck style and Russian effects. Reefers newest tans, made to IMCH-lt- l'. blacks, whites and all S5.Q0 RETREAT TO HIDE PROPHET. sell at Easter Sale price of only the new spring 50c Pbades New Long Gloves Just In WALLS OF liOWIE'S FORTH ESS Great Assortment of Confirmation Suits edes and S-BntKm WEBK TWO FEET THICK. 0 ff I SI.

89 Glncc; in blacks and whites 12-Iiutton laces; in blacks and whites Boys To-Iieee, Tiouble-Breasted Kite Pants Xnits ages 8 to ltj years. Suedes and $2.75 All-wool thibets; sold elsewhere at $5 THE DOORS WERE OF STEEL. S3. 50 better grades up to $10.1, tomorrow at only Glf in ltt-llntton Suedes and blacks and whites 83.25 "CREAM OF LIMA BEANS." Youths Confirmation Snit r.I TClV'C MARKET ST ages 14 to years in $6.50 to $20 come in at 13 and Ifl-Rutton I.ace I. isle Gloves; black, tans, butter and cream colors, at 98c single and double-breasted: in all wanted fabrics in blues ind blacks, HADE of Thackeray! that's a Soup would make "Old Titmarsh" UU71V I 3d Ave.4th Ave long to be on earth again for some "glorious gormandizing." Its rich, piquant, pungent, creamy taste comes smacking to one's lip long after, at mere memory of its bewitching haunting Mill TRIMMED AND INTRIMMED.

Flowers, Foliage and Ribbons inery A comparison of our styles, qualities and prices will convince vou of either of two things that you may have the same quality in a distinctive shape at a lower price here, or a better quality ami more exclusive model than you would find elsewhere at the same price. aroma. This is a stalwart Soup, with plenty of backbone to it a real food not a bluff. The backbone and nutrition, is supplied by the rich, heavy full-flavored Van Camp Cream that is its soul and essence and foundation. Van Camp Cream is just rich Cream and Milk with two-thirds of the water drawn out of it, two hours after coming from the cow.

It is then sterilized. Nothing added to it. Nothing taken out but the Water. No expensive fresh cream, can compare with Van Camp Sterilized Cream, for Coffee, Tea, Cooking, Soups, Gravies, Pastry, etc. Cook Book called Van Camp Delicious Cream Dishes," sent free, on request, from Van Camp Packing Indianapolis, Ind.

Van Camp Cream is sold by Grocers in Cans, about pint size, at 10 cents each. By the case: 48 tins for $4.50, or about 9 cents each. A case will keep for years in your pantry and it is always ready for instant use in any way that fresh Milk or Cream can be used. What it adds to your Grocer's bill, it more than saves on your Milk Women's Hosiery and Vests Women's Fancy Embroidered and Printed Cotton Hose; also all-over black lace or white cotton; all with seamless foot; values l.V to jJI marked special at Ifa2y Women's Black or White All-Over Lace Lisle Hose, with garter tops and double soles: the right thing for tfj PT Easter wear, marked special at. Women's Swiss Ribbed Lisle Finished Vests, with fancy crocheted yokes and from the finest cotton yarns; full TT bleached, marked special at Women's "Vegasilk" Vests, in Avhite.

sky blue and pink the celebrated "Kay- For tomorrow we are placing on sale some very special models. 8.0C Trimmed Hats at 54.75 $15.00 Trimmed Hats at $7.50 Beautiful Wash Goods Wash Goods fancy printed Batiste, in light or dark colors; full pieces; all new styles; good value at Vlc, special Zfz for Thursday White Dotted Swiss in small nr py medium size dot; regular value 15c a IJC yard, Thursday Wash Goods fancy printed Organdie; new lot; in choice spring colorings; IA1 good value at 20c a yard, for 1 yO Thursday White Goods white mercerized Madras Waisting, in choice new figured de- signs; would be cheap at 20c a yard, EiSO for Thursday only Cotton Challie in floral or Persian designs; all new styles: while lOu pieces "1 last Thursday, a yard Bleached Muslin yard wide and 1 soft, finish: good value at. Stc a A-yard, for Thursday only, a yard Shirting IVJadras yard wide: in white In the very smartest shapes: copies of imported models: in all colors; all the season's choicest novelties. XK. tiJb Ji scr make: some with tancv medallions man bill.

RECIPE Cream of Lima Bean Soup 'To serve fi to Hi 1 cup of Lima lie ana 'dried) rup of butler a cup of flour 1 teaspoonful of bait -1 cup of Van Camp's Sterilized Cream 1 cup of water Cost 1-X Let the beans stand overnight covered with coM wat.r: drain and set to cook in plenty of water; when ten-tier. presM through nieve. Measure the puree and add water to make one quart of material. Melt one-fourth a rup of butter if desired let one or two lice of onion revolt in the butter until yellowed, add the flour and salt and cook until frothy, then add one on the yoke, marked special at 50c Crushed Roses, 6 in a bunch. 19c Twenty-eight different colors in beautiful shades of IgV roses; value, IvO Black and colored fine rough braid Sailors, 89c the great rage now is on for rough short back-sailors; we have them in all colors; value QQ- tomorrow UC -ffT I 1 1 ground, with neat striped or figured designs; regular value 15c a yard, for Thursday only '(l Chicago, April 11.

That John Alexander Uuwi- tared some unspon foe was proved when the pollo of Zior. discovered room in iiiluii House, his official residence. The entrance to the secret passage had escaped the watchful eyes of wife and son for So far as can he learned not a man or woman of Zion knew there was a retreat that would hide the prophet. That the Apostle expected that a. foe would some day entrap him was proved by the articles which were found within it.

A bed, built within the walls, a clothes closet and cupboard combined, wherein might be stored clothes and food sufficient for many days, were some of the articles found. A telephone stood upon the floor and all connections had been made. Electric lights had been Installed and at the touch of a button the darkened room was flooded with liKht. That the First Apostle expected his fore to be a one was proved by the location and construction of the secret passage. THROUGH THREE DOORS.

The entrance led from the basement, and three doors, two of steel and one of wood would have kept the intruders at bay. The room was 14 feet long and feet wide, and it was constructed with all the skill and ingenuity of which one wuiM suppos- the First Apostle possihle. It was possible for the man within to see what those without were doing, but upon the street could not observe those In the room. The walls of Dowie's fortress were found to be two feet thick, and of concrete. The ceiling IS inches through.

It required some time to batter down the steel door, and as it crashed the men fel; within. They jrroped in the dark for a moment, then they saw a faint ray of liffht. They took a lantern within and were astonished when they realized they werc standing within a room that had been a mystery for years. At the ieft stood a built within the wall, yet extended for a width of eipht feet. Mattress was placed upon mattress until it stood four feet from the floor.

The coverings were of silk and the bed clothes of the finest linen. it stood a larRe wardrobe. There was room. for a large amount of food. It was apparent that a man could have withstood a siege of weeks, lly the side of the bed stood a telephone of (he desk variety.

The police officer took the receiver from the hook. "Number," came the voice of the telephone girl. The men looked tip and saw there were ftlobes in the electric light fixtures. They turned a switch and the little room was flooded with light. RAY OF I.KIHT.

They walked along the walls until they came to the ray of light, and then they saw Powie'R scheme of watching those without while his own whereabouts remained a mystery. An air shaft had been built. It was shaped as a funnel and made of finest steel. The small end had been placed near the basement, and it was possible to conceal it because th- other touched the lattice work of th-: Dowie residence. As the men searched again their hands came in contact with a shade, and when it was raised a window was revealed.

It was not more than IS Inches high and 1- broad. Heavy steel bars had been employed to keep any enemy upon the outside. This window wa also concealed by the lattice work. T.e taste of Towie was displayed in every article. The furniture was of the finest, and Oriental rugs covered the floor.

MEN'S SHIRTS Men's f0c Xegligee Shirts, light and dark colors, woven and printed madras, big variety of patterns, choice Oi Thursday wvC ii June koscs, xoc wo oozen in a ouncli or pink White Dotted Swiss, in small or large size jlcts and figures, 36 inches wide, IX suitable for drapery, special Thursday, per yard -7 fsJune looses, everybody color; value IV.) V'! tomorrow, per bunch I5c enp of an amp Sterilized Cream, diluted with a cup of hot water: stir and cook until the boiling point is reached: add th puree, a lid when eKain boil ing pa rough a sieve. Add si it and pepper i.i needed and serve at oncu with crisped craciterR. fine chopped parsiey may be sprinkled over the lop. A Splendid Gathering of Foremost Spring Styles at Popular Prices Suits confirmation Dresses Walking Skirts Raincoats Jackets ms- at ON $18 Women's Suits at $12.48 $5.98 Walking Skirts at $3.95 Panama, Sicilians and mixtures are the materials of a large selection of this season's best TCfe-f VVafcjTffr Imm mmt ii mi I ai-w For Easter Presents Open Until 10 O'CIock Tailored Suits in gray mixtures, homespuns and checks; Eton or pony coats; skirts circu every Wednesdav and styles; black, blue, grays: checks and plaids: actually worth tomorrow at 4iir Koreu; roHis inmmen witn contrasting co Saturday nig' tit in order to accommodate or materials and silk braids; a reproduction of higher priced suits at our patrons who nnd It inconvenient to call during the day. Mir DianionclM are A Diamond is the April birth-stone ami is therefore most hp-propriate as an Easter Kit't.

A Uiamond. too. is not an expensive present when bought on the l.oftis Credit System. A small cash deposit when the stone is delivered and the bal- $8.50 Women's Skirts at $5.98 High-class mixtures, chiffon panamas, broadcloths and Scotch tweeds; tailored in the most fashionable circular and plaited styles; rows m- exquisite sons of the 250 Women's and Misses' Raincoats at $4.98 $25 of bias folds at bottom and various other ef $50 most brilliant luster and most perfect color, imported directly by us in larpe quantities. Call or write for S5.98 fects: they are high class in every respect, specially priced tomorrow Made of cravenette; guaranteed rainproof; a 1 monthly, in amount to suit the purchaser's con venience.

'all at once and let one of our salesmen explain our our beautiful perfectly tailored; box plaited and strap back new catalogue; I Mamonds, Wat l.ooo illustrations of lies and Jewelry. effect; collarless style; newest S4.98 box plaited and cuff sleeves; value special tomorrow Diamond Cutters, 220 stree. Between Liberty and $2.98 Girls' Dresses at $1.39 Jewelers, Opticians, I'fnn Avfu. Opposite Pittsburg lAfe Bids. Girls' Easter Coats and Reefers All the newest creations are represented here and all specially priced for tomorrow.

Cheviots, homespuns, covert cloths and silks as materials are largely represented; beautiful collarless effects; trimmings of contrasting colors at collar and cuffs; any style you desire is here; red, green, Alice blue, reseda, blue and the popular fancy gray; sizes to 14, tomorrow at $4.98, S3.93 and S2.98 We purchased all the manufacturer had. and are in position to offer them at this remarkable low price; made of fine sheer lawn in the SENATOR ACQUITTED. pretty nertna styles, with beautiful lace and PLAN BIG AUDITORIUM. insertion trimmings; all sizes 4 to 14, tomorrow at SI.39 Mere Is a List of Good Things to Eat for Easter Jury Finds Man Charged Willi Murder Not Guilty. Saluda, S.

C. April 11. The trial of State Senator Kugene P. Hleaso. charge, 1 with the murder of his brother-in-law.

Joe Ren Coleman, ended late last night, the jury returning a verdict of not guilty. Bleaso and Coleman married sisters. The tragedy occurred in October last. Hleaso, on the witness stand, told, in tears and sobs, of his friendship and love for Joe Ben Coleman, their associations for many years, his exertions to secure Coleman a position and then of the ruin of his home. The defendant swooned r.s he was leaving the stand.

He had to be carried to the jury room, where he remained duiing'the arguments, attended by a physician. Notwithstanding our enlarged facilities, the grocery department the latter part of this week will be taxed to its utmos to supply the demand that will be made on it for Easter-day. It is wisest, therefore to visit this great store as early in the week as you can and leave your order for later deli verv if vou do not want the goods immediately Absolutely Fresh Laid Eggs. Choicest from the best chicken farms. Western, or cold storage, eggs arc not to be found ere." Tomorrow we will sell these superior eggs, dozen 2Qc excellent.

Sweet Corn packed when young1 Knrtleft I'mm 'ohmibia 1 6c r.inpornirn apples, extr Salmon, choicest River, 'm-1Ii. ijiii rn California, 1 2V2C Expuaitlon IJireotors Decide to Remodel Hall for Conventions. The directors of the Kxpositiort Society met yesterday afternoon in the Stevenson Building, and it was practically decided that the Pittsburg Exposition hall will be remodeled so that conventions and other large gatherings can be held there. This is a project that has been agitated for years, but heretofore the question of where to get money to pay for the improvements has stood in the way. As the committee is composed of public spirited and wealthy men.

it is thought that they will find means of securing the necessary funds. It is estimated that $100,000 spent In improvements on the hall would make it one of the best in the country. In such an auditorium as this would" provide, the Pittsburg- Orchestra, the management of which organization is interested in the new move, could give concerts for such nominal prices of admission as 25 and 5o cents, and that the hall would be crowded is assured by the success attending the orchestra's concerts in Old City Hall and Carnegie Hall, Allegheny. aim a regular ldr can fine, per it 7c OPPOSES KNOX. Senator rialley IHffers "With nl-leaeue's Opinion on Rate Herniation.

"Washington. April 11. For more than four hours yesterday J. W. Bailey, Democrat, of Texas, held the attention of the Semite with a speech in reply to J.

C. Spooner, of Wisconsin, and P. C. Knox, of Pennsylvania, and just before its conclusion there was a significant suggestion from KuKne Hale, of Maine, indicating the possibility of an understanding anil an early vote on the railroad rate bill. Bailey set out with the one end in view of establishing the soundness of his contention that Congress has power to deny to the inferior 1'nited States courts th- right to suspend the order of the Interstate Commerce Commission, pending the final division of cases arising under the proposed law.

This he undertook to do by citing innumerable decisions of the courts and quoting many other aut honties. Mr. Hale announced bis willingness to accept the anti-suspension amendment, and expressed confidence that if Mr. Bailev wouid on the other hand agree to a broad court review there would be comparatively little difficulty in reaching an agreement on the bill. In response Mr.

Bailey said that he did not believe that review by- the courts could be denied under the Constitution. 10c 7c 'Washing; fonder best on earth and French Iea very small Macaroni. l-ll. packapo, Kc and sold everywhere for 4- sweet; best from France, I 1- per can I I lb. packnge.

Ilnenpple the choicest packed, most tender and honey sweet. C. large can I WW I'reiM-rved rineopplf. in little 1 6c 25c Condensed Soups. the very best.

Our Java and Mocha Coffee, per pound Onr 20-rrnt Maracnllto Cof. fee, per pound All our 50e Ten, per pound All our 62e Teaw. per pound All our Nk Teas, per pound ninmarclt het. can 25c 1 6c 34c 50c 60c 20c l.nundry Soap best 8 large cakes for 7c squares; deliciously sweet ana very Wax Beans tender, full flavor, --lh. can Small Snur3r Ieasi, our 1 So can an Kinds: a regular Hie can for Roneless Ilerrinur.

under grlass. per package tender; large can, 13e; 6c 14c Cof- Open TuniKlit I ntll lo O'clock. Call and select a Diamond or a High-Orade Watch on our liberal wt-klv or monthly credit I.oftis Urns Jewelers and Opticians. 22" Sixth St. lly Train.

The nicest lot of milk fed din ks, chickens, and creese ever shown in Pittsburg. MiOaiin Market St. 25c 9c Granulated Sugar, On 5 pounds for fiafau Onr 4-eent Java and Mocha Cof Tomatoes cheaper than elmcwhere -onlv 6 cans to a customer; i A an Camp linked Tteans. the lest of all; plain or in tomato sauce, can fee, pounds for t.nt, per pound 35c none C. O.

IX; 3-lb. can I WW NA-KAU SILK. I.oa rnOietl hy Street nr. Thomas Connor, the four-year-old son of Peter Connor, of Wood alley, Ttraddock, was struck by a street car last nisht and had his riht lo- so man-stled that amputation above the knee will be necessary. The lad was playinp In Rraddoek avenue, and in trvin to avoid a westbound car.

he ran directly In the path of an eastb'iund one. He fell in the fender, but his strutfrles 10'i-d him out and under the wheels. He was taken to Mercy Hospital. ES Baritone Gives Heeitnl. The recital last night at Bethel A.

M. K. Church by J. Elmer Spyglass, a graduate of the Toledo Conservatory of Music, was a pleasing affair. Mr.

Spyglass may well be called the leading baritone of his race. His best number last evening was the Aria, and "Wouldst Thou Thus Have Sullied." by Verdi, followed by "Rossini's "Barber of Seville," as an encore, both sung in Italian. The remainder of the program was excellently rendered. found from scarcely more than gauze, to that euitable for bathing suits. In the latter weight, with waterproof it makes charming frocks traveling, or wear on summer days when the weather is threatening, for rain will not spot this silk.

Vogue. THIS WILL BE A BUSY WEEK AT designs all represented: and one diagonal corded weave is of unusual merit. A small fern design is also extremely graceful and delicate. The primed effects have great scope, the grounding either white or colored, with dots in contrast, stripes, checks and plaids, with flowers also in great variety This, of course, gives a very wide choice, and almost any taste, can be grat-fied. The number of plain colors shown is 1S; the widths come from 2o to inches, the prices varying with the quality.

In weight, too. It is This attractive silk comes in the loveliest of colors. It has also a waterproof finish, which renders it both spot and perspiration proof, and at the same time enhances It with a high, lustrous sheen, causing it to vie closely in appearance with radium, and It has the added advantage of being firm and of not pulling. The designs are all remarkably pretty; raised dots, stripes, geometrical or floral Open Cntil 1U O'clock Toniulil- Easy weekly or monthly terms arranged for a Diamond or a High-Grade Watch. Call today.

Loftis Bros. Jewelers and Opticians, 220 Sixth St. MANSION FOR JOHN D. HoeKefeller KrectinR tnietare Intended as Present for (irandaon. Tarry April 11.

Tt became known today at Pocantico Hills, where John P. Rockefeller has a acre domain, that the real object of Mr. Rockefeller's flying visit on Monday was to give instructions regardmg work now under way for the erection of a million dollar mansion at the highest point of his estate. Surveyors have been busy on the estate and it is stated that excavation for the foundation of the mansion will be begun next week. The house will be built of granite and will be occupied by Mr.

and Mrs. Rockefeller and Mr. and Mrs. John I. Rockefeller.

and John D. Rockefeller 111. According to the report Mr. Rockefeller will erect the new house as a present for his grandson, when he becomes of age. moo "TT) renny to Build Big Shop.

Altoona. April 11. A mammouth shop building feet long by 120 feet wide, and four stories high, will be built here by the Pennsylvania Railroad Co. for the accommodation of lathe, wheel, tin. boiler and other departments.

It will be the largest building of its kind in the Fnited States and will give more room for repair work. Work on it will be begun in a few days. Ilottlers io on Strike. Boston April 1 members of the Bottb rs' and I 'rivers' Vnlon went out on strike this morning in several shops In this city. The strike is to secure the signing of agreement The old agreement ealied for a work day of nine hours for six months and lb hours during the six summer months The new one calls for nine hours all the year The firms, it is have declared for the open shop.

The international union has indorsed the strike MURPHY'S For the announced opening of new lines of Goods at exceptionally low prices will undoubtedly bring buyers in thousands. There are rare opportunities offered now to buy. FURNITURE CARPETS AND HOUSE FURNISHINGS 1 is fermented in Glass-Enameled Vats. WILL IS MISSING. After the process of fermentation it is lagered from four to five months in Glass- on Half Time, Meadvil'e.

April 11. Beginning this morning all departments of the Krie railroad shops here began work on half time. On account of the coal strike. The men will work from 7 a. m.

to 11' in. Tear Heart Banker's Residence to Pieces in Search for 1 inrnmrnt. Philadelphia, Arril 11. The man-I sion of Charles F. Wilson, a millionaire quaker banker, in Jenkintown, is being Lined Steel Tanks, from which it is drawn into bottles.

Thus it is In Glass from Kettle to Lip The result is an exquisite taste and flavor, distinctively its own, which accounts for the tVill At prices that save you monev, and on terms 3 wis that will make buyinrr easv indeed. lust a little for good faith, then the goods are yours. You enjoy the result of your saving while you save. sale of 137,722,150 Bottles Budweiser in 1905 Householders Cautioned Hew to Avoid Infection. Why Athletes Eat Meat.

The great value of a beef diet has long been recognized by athletes. It is one of the few foods upon which man can live exclusively. But while beef contains the body building materials which everyone must have, it also contains much water, and fiber and indigestible waste. Invalids and some healthy individuals in the usual walks of life are frequently distressed on this account. Rex Beef Extract is concentrated beef.

It is beef with the water, waste fiber, and tissue left out. Forty-five pounds of the finest selected lean beef is required to make one pound of the extract. Over five pounds of beef to a two ounce jar. It is beef in a form that even the weakest stomach can readily assimilate. Its extraordinary value as a food for invalids and those with weak stomachs is universally recognized and it is invariably ordered by physicians for use in wasting diseases and fevers where strength must be keut up without strain or tax upon the digestive organs.

It is not onlv valuable as a food in itself, but it creates appetite and makes other foods digestible. A small quantity- added to a poor roast will make it delicious. It is indispensable for all roasts, chops, steaks, soups and gravies. As a beverage, it forms a bracer that stimulates but leaves no bad after effects. The good it does is permanent.

Be sure you get Cudahy's Extract and accept no substitutes or imitations. RPHY BROS. CO. 808 PENN AVE. torn to ineces in a search for a will which, it is said, Wilson declared he had made and which left the bulk of his estate to charity.

Three w-omen. each well past seventv, the banker's only relatives, are anxiousiv awaiting the result of the search. If the wnl is found they will share the wealth. If it is not found it is probable that neither will get a cent. Wilson was a bachelor.

He was buried yesterday. NEAR TORRANCE'S HOUSE. Andrew Woodnor Arrested Early This 5IorningLjiter Sentenced. Andrew Woodnor, of Bridgeville. wvls fined $10 and costs as a susnicious person by Magistrate W.

A. Hadfteld. at Allegheny Central Police Station. this morning. He was arrested in the rear of the residence of Francis J.

Torrance of Western avenue, at 4 o'clock this morning by Private Officer J. T. Crouse. Families have been missing bottles of milk in that locality recently and the officer thought that Woodnor was acting in a suspicious manner. A knife was found on the ground which was thought to have been thrown away by Woodnor when arrested.

exceeding that of all other bottled beers. Anheuser-Busch Brewing Ass'n St. Louis. U. S.

A. Typhoid fever is prevalent. Thoroughly boil all water used for drinking; all used lor cleansing uncooked eatables and all used in brushing the teeth. Purify the waste pipes, sinks, closets and cellars with Flatt's Chlorides, the odorless disinfectant. The daily use cf just a little of this powerful liquid ensures pure air in the heme, and bottle will last the average family a moath.

Sold everywhere In quart bottle only and manufactured oleljr by Hert-y B. Piatt. T. 'A FAIR FACE MAY PROVE A FOUL BARGAIN." MARRY A PU JAMES F. McMORRIS, Distributor.

Pittsburg. GIRL IF SHE USES Corked or Tim Copped.