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The Arizona Republic FRIDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2004 A17 DEBATE No. 1 Both candidates stretched troth a bit him. The president relied on Afghan warlords, and he outsourced that job, too." There has been no definitive conclusion bin Laden was in the caves of Tora Bora in December 2001, when U.S. and Afghan troops surrounded the complex and U.S. warplanes blanketed the area with bombs.

But U.S. military and intelligence officials believe he probably was. And U.S. forces did largely rely on Afghan forces on the ground to go after him. war at the wrong time and said foreign leaders will never follow a president who talks that way.

But major U.S. allies opposed the war from before the start. Kerry may have overstepped in accusing Bush, in essence, of letting bin Laden get away. "Unfortunately, he escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora," he said. "We had him surrounded.

But we didn't use American forces, the best trained in the world, to go kill Kerry called Bush on another statement: the president's assertion in reference to Iraq that "the enemy attacked us and I have a solemn duty to protect the American people." As Kerry pointed out, Saddam Hussein did not attack the United States. And the administration has backed away from earlier claims of a direct link between bin Laden and Saddam. Bush blasted Kerry for calling the Iraq invasion the wrong much in giving tax cuts to the rich. "This president thought it was more important to give the wealthiest people in America a tax cut rather than invest in homeland security," he said. "And long before President Bush and I get a tax cut and that's who gets it long before we do, I'm going to invest in homeland security." Bush's tax cuts were across the board, not just for rich people like Kerry and himself.

The Democrat apparently misspoke when painting a dark al-Qaida leaders have been brought to justice," and at another, Osama bin Laden is "isolated; 75 percent of his people have been brought to justice." But al-Qaida is still considered a mortal danger in part because it refills its ranks and leadership. The president was actually referring to deaths or arrests of operatives who powered al-Qaida when it mounted the Sept. 11 attacks, not those behind the organization today. Earlier this year, the CIA estimated two-thirds of those leaders were gone. Bush upped the proportion to three-quarters in his national convention speech in August, based on intelligence findings that were not publicly-detailed.

Kerry stretched in accusing Bush of spending too little on homeland security and too By Calvin Woodward Associated Press WASHINGTON President Bush spoke as if al-Qaida leaves senior positions vacant when its top operatives are taken down, boasting in his debate with John Kerry that three-quarters of the terrorist network's leaders are gone. His Democratic opponent spoke as if only the rich got a tax cut under Bush, when in fact taxpayers in all income groups did. Self-serving oversimplifications marked the first presidential debate as Bush and Kerry made their case on Iraq and the broad canvas of foreign policy. Bush twice suggested that al-Qaida is a vastly diminished force at the top, saying at one point that "75 percent of known picture of the chaos in Iraq today. He said of Iraq, "We got weapons of mass destruction crossing the border every sin gle day, and they're blowing people up." He apparently meant terror ists, not weapons of mass destruction, were crossing the border.

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He also said in December of 2003 that anyone who doubts that the world is safer without Saddam Hussein does not have the judgment to be president. I agree with him. The world is better off without Saddam Hussein." msmn SH'ftirf ILijCaUUU iXi 4 4.1 fc i J' I afl Crucial cutaways said a lot covering a debate, and it's a good thing the networks did it. Bush often looked petulant, annoyed or bored by Kerry's answers. Kerry looked as if he couldn't wait i'l A i ff-A UB I UJJt i.m.jn.jum.u...iu.M.

T) LS to pounce on a Bush answer something that, by rules the candidates did follow, he couldn't do until moder- PWWfflBfSBRi Basin nnn I nation in leading the country to war. Yet his delivery was so smooth that' his queries never seemed confrontational. These things are, in the end, television performances, and while neither candidate scored a knockout in the sound-bite ring, they did trade the occasional body blow. "This president, I don't know if he really sees what's going on over there," Kerry said of Iraq. Bush never used the fateful words "flip-flop" but said, "The only thing consistent about my opponent's position is that he's been inconsistent." "I made a mistake in how I talk about the war," Kerry said.

But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?" That's the $64,000 question, of course, and we've got two more debates to help answer it. MSRP f10'280 U'U Dahlia tfMfl On Television Bill Goodykoontz JwhueVlW' W1 Dnhnfn tl AAA Here's to breaking the rules. Much was made before the first presidential debate about how, according to regulations the campaigns negotiated, television cameras would be forbidden from showing one candidate's reaction while the other was speaking. Thankfully, the networks wasted no time Thursday night sticking a big thumb in the eye of the rules and regulations.

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13 debate at Arizona State University alleging they unjustly kept the Libertarian candidate for president out of the debate. The candidate, Michael Bad-narik, was not scheduled to appear on the three planned presidential debates. for the state, thus violating the law. David Euchner, attorney for the Arizona Libertarian Party, said he would file the complaint today in Maricopa County Superior Court. Former Tempe Mayor Neil Giuliano, one of three ASU planners who observed the Miami debate, said none of them had seen the lawsuit.

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