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Profile cry i i i rn lesson I ic Mis In Coif ontation At Kent BUtl Says Cliff By JACK NELSON STAR Lm Angelee TlmM Service (llKENT STATE" any. No Guardsmen were struck by gunfire. No "outside agitators" have been arrested yet. The U. S.

Department of Justice, after a lengthy investigation and failure to get an indictment against nine South Carolina Highway Patrolmen, filed criminal informations against them in December, 1968, charging the patrolmen violated the students' civil rights. A jury acquitted the patrolmen, but the trial raised any questions similar to those raised by the Kent State incident. WHY DID the state instead of encouraging a dialog with students respond -with tough talk and a massive show of force? If officials found the situation so potentially explosive that they felt massive force was necessary, why did they wait until after the shootings to close the in- KENT, Ohio "Yesterday marked the second anniversary of the deaths of three Orangeburg students shot by policemen," the "Uamecock, the University of South Carolina's student newspaper, editorialized on Feb. 9 1970. 0 "We know that nothing like that will ever happen to us because we are white, we were middle-class, we cautious liberals and we are at the big University and not at State.

But when one or 28 get shot in the night, can others even though popular or safe at the time, be safe for long?" The editorial recounted how more than 30 South Carolina State College students were shot on their own campus, then concluded: "Of course, we all know that nothing like this would ever happen to us. would it?" ABOUT 15 South Carolina Highway Patrolmen fired their weapons (shotguns, rifles and a pistol) most of them into the crowd but several into the air. Some the students who were struck were spec-spectators. One was hit while standing on a dormitory porch more than 400' feet away. All but two or three of the students were shot from the rear or side.

About 16 Ohio guardsmen fired their weapons (rifles), most of them into the crowd but several into the air. Some of thestudenth who were struck were spectators a coed was killed while walking to a class more than -200 feet At least two of the students were shot from the rear and several were shot from the side. The first reports out of Orangeburg" erroneously listed a patrolman as having been shot tp death. The first reports out of Kent erroneously listed two Guardsmen as having been shot to death. The parallels don't end there either in the way gampus trouble mounted and exploded into violence and counterviolence or in the manner in which state officials reacted to the situations.

Although the South Carolina State protest revolved around civil rights and the Kent State protest centered around the Indochina war, in many respects the Kent incident seemed like a replay of Orangeburg. IN BOTH CASES, tension and frustrations mounted for two days, erupting into violence initially in the towns outside the campuses. At Orangeburg, students smashed windows in downtown stores, protesting a 'bowling alley's racist policies. At Kent students smashed windows in down situations? NOW IT HAS happened a Why were alternative methods of crowd control not used? At Kent State, Guardsmen did use tear gas first (South Carolina patrolmen did not), but later explained they ran out. If so, why? If the guardsmen were worried about being outnumbered, as Gen.

Canterbury indicated, why did he not call for reinforcements? He had several hundred other troops in the vicinity at the time. Why were students given no warning predominantly white, middle-class universi-ty Kent State University in Ohio. And the similarities between the two incidents are uncanny except that Ken State already is a national cause celebre. South Carolina State caused little more than a ripple outside the black community and had been all but forgotten until the Kent State incident. The real tragedy is that there were lessons to be learned from the Orangeburg incident: lessons in how not to exacrebate a situation of mounting student tension and frustration and in how not to handle student demonstrations.

Ohio officials learn-ned nothing from the South Carolina experience. On Feb. 7, 1968, during a lull in violent Cartoon by a Wow 5k The Atlanta Conttltutlon strong evidence that no order to fire was given, the tension and confusion swept through the ranks of the armed force and that when one of them fired, the others opened up spontaneously, In both instances a senior state official was on the scene and ostensibly in command Chief J. -P. Strom of the State Law Enforcement Division at Orangeburg and Asst.

Adj. Gen. Robert Canterbury at Kent State but neither had control of the situation. Both Storm and Canterbury defended their men's actions as necessary to protect their own lives and both said they were afraid their men would have been overrun by the students if they had not fired. Both officials said they heard shots fired: from the campuses away from the ranks of their men just before their forces opened fire.

But most witnesses in both cases say all of the gunfire came from the before the gunfire? Why were lethal weapons and ammunition used when shotguns used heavy loads of buckshot.) been used to wound, but not kill? (At Orangeburg most patrolmen who fired shotguns used heavy loads of buckshot) THERE a few significant differences between the South Carolina State and Kent State Incidents, too. For one thing, there was no hint of a racial angle at Kent black students had disassociated themselves from the demonstrations. The Orangeburg shooting occured at night while ithe shooting at Kent occurred at noon under a bright sky. Most of the town stores, protesting the nation's war demonstrations among South Carolina State mlicies. On the third day in both cases the gov direction of the lawmen.

South Carolina officials blamed South Carolina Highway Patrolmen were 'Cousin Cliff Holman By FRANK BROCK After 16 years as a television children's entertainer, Cousin Cliff has come up with some definite opinions about the "vaste wasteland." They don't necessarily agree with those espoused by Newton Minow. For instance, Cousin Cliff alias Cliff Holman thinks "there's just too darn much news on tv now." "We need more children's shows, more local farm programs and local interviews," Cousin Cliff said, "not an hour-and-half of news from 5 o'clock td six-thirty every evening. That's just too much." AND THE OLE COUSIN has arrived at some concrete opinions about children too. In an interview at his toy-studded office (which he shares with two other WHMA-TV employes), the graying kiddie host said he still likes his work after 16 years in the business and would do it all over again if he had the chance. "Kids are loyal," Holman said.

"They'll start watching -your- program when they're three or four and keep on till they're about 12. They aren't fickle like the teenagers. "One minute the teens are crazy about the, oh, Beatles. Then, man, they're on the bottom. Man, I'll tell you, children aren't like Jthat.

"WHY LOTS OF TIMES I'll run across someone In a store or something and they'll tell me they used to watch my show "when they were little and their child watching me now. "They really remember you." Cousin Cliff started his TV career with "Cousin Cliff and -the Tiptop Xlubhousc" on March 15, 1954. He's been at it ever since. And he said his act basically hasn't changed much. "We had magic and puppets and droodles," Cliff said.

JUST TRY TO BE one of the children never talk down to them or make them feel bad. I'm their "Why I even say, every now and then, 'Look, here's my little buddy from wherever he's from." Orangeburg trouble on snipers and outside agitators. They never produced a sniper and there was overwhelming evidence that the patrolmen were not fired upon immediately before opening fire (there was evidence that there had been firing on the Orangeburg campus earlier in the evening). No patrolmen were struck by gunfire. THE ONLY "OUTSIDE AGITATOR" the veterans wno naa unaergone not control training" with FBI assistance.

Most of the Ohio Guardsmen were young men who had little experience and who had undergone no riot control trainings Most, like Jheir commander, Gen. Canterbury, had had no combat experience. At Orangeburg a group of about 150 students confronted an armed force of about- the- same number. At- Kent- State Biuaenis, iiov. iwdbix tu.

muxair issueu a tough statement warning that outside agitators were stirring up the students and that "we have no intention of letting things get out of hand." The next day demonstrating students hurled rocks at State Highway Patrolmen and the patrolmen retaliated by firing indiscriminately into the crowd. Three students fell mortally wounded and 27 others were injured. On May 3, 1970, during a lull in student demonstrations and violence at Kent State, Gov. James Rhodes issued a tough statement, warning that outside agitators "worse than the Brown Shirts and the Communist element" were stirring up the students and that "we're going to employ every force of law that we have under our authority." The next day demonstrating students hurled rocks at National Guardsmen and the, guardsmen retaliated by firing indiscriminately into the crowdv Four students fell mortally wounded and 10 others were injured. ernors issued hard-line statements and the protesting students seemed further frustrated.

On the fourth day the Orangeburg students tried to let off steam by building a bonfire in front of the campus on a street blocked off by highway patrolmen. Firemen rushed in and extinguished the fire. The shootingracured several minutes later. On the fourth day the Kent students held a protest meeting on the campus commons. National Guardsfen rushed in to break up the meeting.

The shooting oc-surred several minutes later. Both South Carolina State and Kent State students later said that at first they could not believe live ammunition was being fired at them. They felt that either blanks were being used or the shots were being fired overhead. UNARMED STUDENTS were fired upon without warning. In both cases there was state -produced was Cleveland Sellers, a the confrontation involved several hundred black militant who was injured' in the students and about 50 Guardsmen although gunfire-and who was later arrested on riot charges, although he has never been tried.

Ohio officials' blamed the Kent State -trouble on snipers" and outside agitaters. So far they have produced no snipers or any substantial evidence that there were there were-bout -750 other guardsmen "in' the- vicinity? rvW mtil v-mttfh Another vital difference, of -course, was -that the Orangeburg victims were black. If they had beep white; perhaps the nation would have learned something from "tr Orangeburg massacre." iylltl. ROW III niS SCUUIIU gcnciauuu ji i More Than Guns Separate Guard, Studenk the first wave of advancing guardsmen. The bullets came from their guns.

What led them to kneel and fire into the crowd, what ex By HAYNES JOHNSON STAR Washington Pest Service KENT, Ohio What brought Sandy Scheuer of Youngstown, Ohio, to the parking lot at the foot of the youngsters have cnangea since ne wem uu the lights. "They're more hep now," Cliff explained, "and they arent afraid of the lights or cameras or anything it's just like they were at home. "WHY I EVEN HAVE children get up and walk across stage during the show to ask where the bathroom is. When we first started, they would just 'Sit there, like they were mesmerized. just like "they're totally biased "For instance," Cliff went on, "if a little child tee-tees on the- program, the other children will get up and point at him and the puddle and say -'Look- what.

he did. "They do that right on the air!" tent of provocation and hill at that hour, on danger, they faced, day, was cnance. whether thev were justified Sandy, whose last name bad or not, and who bears the been mispelled "Scader" in filial responsibility are all "still the-subject of-bitter-debate -the 1969 KentStale-University-: CLIFF SAID HE MOVED into TV entertainment from school magic, and "loves it." He has three children, a girl 15, and boys 13 and 5. 'I've got two families," Cliff said. This much is beyond dispute: THeT DIFFERENCES be-tween those students and Guardsmen, nearly all of them young and from the same section of the country, go far beyond the tragedy at Kent.

They are divided by differences in outlook and opportunity, in background and behavioV. At the ex it I mmeVSw im eliy- -f I 'i t- 3 William Sehroeder Jeffrey Miller" and at being called away from yearbook, was heading, book in hand, to her "speech disorders, organic" class in the music and speech center-building. She was one of the four who died shortly after 12:30 p.m. (EDT) Monday. WHAT BROUGHT Troop of the 107th Armored Calvary Ohio National Guard, to the crest of the hill at that same moment were circumstances bay bud individual guardsmen's control.

"Hiey were there because of a specific situation, and a specific job; they were there because of duty, orders, and the history of an increasingly familiar and turbulent American story, the college confrontation. Fate had placed them in tremes, these differences take on something close-to classy studentJs are vuouiivtiuiis suu air buildings." He said his children aren't too impressed with having a father who's on daily television, but that "they really used to take up for me at school when other children would tease them." And despite his own satisfaction with the television kids entertaining, Cliff said he wouldn't advise anyone to enter that field. "THEY'RE TAKING ALL the local shows off and using news and old moviesCliff said. "All the stations are interested in is making money. The FCC doesn't care what they do as long ts they have news.

There's just too darn much on "All the children's shows have" been moved to the morning, when all my children except the preschoolers are at school. "That's no good. All they're interested in Is money, not the people. "They need public service programs, not all that news." tagonisms. It pits the less favored against the more, affluent.

"These people all live in this area," said a Guard officer who holds a professional job in civilian life in Akron. "They were firing at other people of about the same age who live in Ohio. Conceivably, they could even be neighbors. It's like the civil war." That doesn't mean the Guardsmen who had been on auty-bere since last Saturday night are all representatives of some monolithic Middle America. Their ranks Include college graduates, urban planners and teachers, as well as factory workers and farmers.

Allison Krause conversation, one theme was repeated they had taken' a lot, and they were justified in what they did. "We've taken it again and again." one soldier, said. "We've been on riot in, Akron and Cleveland and at the Youngstown jail five times in all." They were joined by another Guardsman from Akron. It turned out he" was studying at Akron University and he took the side of the students. He was bitter about Cambodia and Vietnam, and" at one point interrupted soldier who was talking about the necessity to take military action there.

"Have you ever read a history about ''Vietnam?" asked. "I'll bet you haveu read a single took." suppose burning ROTC buildings is the answer," the soldier he addressed snapped back. "No, but I don't think shooting point blank into a crowd is the answer," he responded. A third soldier chimed in. "We don't have face shields, we don't have flak vests," said a sergeant "We just have helmets and pieces of cotton uniforms and that's it, and so we're accused of attacking unarmed, innocent students because nobody considers bricks and stones and concrete slabs as weapons." IN ADDITION, many Guardsmen say Jhey just don't understand the students.

Although they are about the same age, the Guardsmen often take a more traditional position. They don't like the war in Vietnam, still they speak of commitments and obligations and of living up to the responsibilities of "their forefathers," as a merchant from Canton, Ohio, put it. In normal times, these differences would have remained at the discussion or arguing Sandra Lee Scheuer School of Mines but decided to go to Kent because it was closer to. home. People In Lorain remember jjhim as a boy who played on the high school basketball and football teams, and as a top student who also played Jhe irumpet.

THEY LEARNED about Jeffrey Miller, 20, freshman and son of a news photographer in Plainview, New York, whose high school guidance counselor described him as a boy "Concerned1 about the state of the world but. never what you would consider an activist." And thep learned about Sandy Scheuer Everyone who knew Sandy agrees on one thing. was one of the happiest go lucky girls I ever saw in my life," a friend recalls. In her yearbook picture, Sandy appeared solemn, but her friends never remembered her that way. She was, said a teacher, the kind of person who made othets happy.

5 Like most of the Kent State students, including Monday's victims, Sandy was not particularly interested if politics. "She was liberal" said a sorority sister. "But she wasn't far out. She wasn't involved ln: any organizations, that I know A third friend remembered that "Sandy used to say peo pie didnt take her seriously; because she was laughing all' the time." I told you just what I thought about what happened I'd probably be court martialed. But, all right, answer this: What attitude about students did troop come up here with when they got off that truck Saturday night? What attitude? You know damn well what I mean." pause, then he was-answered by a question: "How many times have you been hit?" "A few." "Gets to you, doesn't A GUARDSMAN passed by, carrying a demonstrator's sigrt.

"Murdering pigs," it 16 dd "That's it, right there," one soldier said, pointing to the sign. Some of them had been in the second wave behind troop on Monday, they were saying. They were moving up the hill when the firing began. Later, Americans learned about the young students who had been killed there. They learned" about Allison Krause.

19, whose parents moved from Silver Spring, to before Allison entered Kent last fall. It was Allison who had placed a flower in the barrel of a National Guardsman's gun, the day before. Tney learned about William Sehroeder, 19, of Lorain, Ohio, near Cleveland, a. freshman psychology major and ROTC member who had a scholarship to the Colorado YET ALL week they have been expressing a strong sense of disapproval of what they see taking place on college campuses. Their remarks range from derisive! comments about "long haifs" stage.

Monday, an ab and the use of profanity normal time, they ignited into amonff students arannrtiv pnrminter. they say seems to come from No one from G- Up of fhTthS the word 's said a fhn 1(mh une pn if I could prove that, three Guardsman who is an Akron 4 "C.7t)rfotBrshots were fired from talk about to to newsmen the crowd," he said. "I've talked to those guys from troop, those guys were scared I talked to them after it happened. They were in shock. They realized what they had done." The Akron student turned Guardsman then said: "If policeman in civilian life) to "You can't tolerate anarchy" and J' Your rights end where my nose begins" to such' harsh language as "It's about time we show the bastards who's in charge." They also voice deep resentment at how much abuse they have borne, what happened on the crest of the hill.

Other men In their unit discus? the incident cautiously. 1 A GROUP- OF men from the 107th was talking among themselves when a reporter joined them. Throughout their Boy, You Know I Can't Retire You Yet' Cartoon ky aiMH The NMnvlll Tennweean.