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-e jv'r SECTION 2 THE COURIER-JOURNAL. LOUISVILLE, MONDAY MORNING. FEBRUARY 3, 1964 'Africans Treated Better' Cay Defends Muslim Policy Says Integration Is Wrong "Sure, I talked to the Muslims' meeting and I'm going back again. I like the Muslims." The challenger for Liston's title was granting an interview about his interest in the Black Muslims while a trainer massaged him at the Fifth Street Gym where Clay is getting ready for the February 25 bout. Interrupted Training Clay addressed a meeting of the Black Muslims January 21 in New York, interrupting his training schedule.

Previously, all questions about Clay's talk were referred to Arch Robinson, the challenger's personal public relations man. "The Muslims don't believe in drinking, smoking, By DAVE BRADY L.A. Tlmes-Weshinsjton Pott Strvlce Miami Beach. "You take Sonny Liston," Cas-sius Clay was saying, "he's the champion of the world and that's supposed to take in America. "But when he tried to buy a house in a segregated neighborhood down here he was turned down.

The white people don't want integration. I don't believe in forcing it, and the Muslims don't Relieve in it. "So what's so wrong about the Muslims? They're not the ones getting locked up, so they must not be doing anything wrong. They're not out on the streets fighting, trying to get in places where they're not wanted. taking dope or committing crimes.

They teach you to be clean," Clay continued "There are some terrible things going on in this country. A lot of them are happening to the Negro. "In Cleveland, the Negroes tried to integrate and you could see what happened. The white people hit the Negroes and the Negroes hit the white people bam bam, bam-bam," Clay said as he rose to a sitting position and alternately flailed his fists wildly and protected his face with crossed arms, as if in panic. "The whole world sees this.

"I send Bundini (Drew Brown, a trainer) downstairs to get me some tea," Clay continued, "and they refuse to serve him. I go down and when they see Cassius Clay they want to serve it then, but only because I'm Cassius Clay, "I tell my boys, 'Don't "start any I believe in stepping aside if I'm not 'Fans Want Liston To Shut Me Up' 1 rryfV "The World's Most Colorful Fighter," the 22-year-old Cassius was in the kind of serious, thoughtful mood the fans never see. Act Turning Sour He had been told that his clowning act, which had Associated Prtit Wircphote Cassius Clay doesn't always ham it up in THE SERIOUS SIDE front of the cameras. or, as here, indulging in Much of his time is spent in serious thought or reading his pet hobby photography. Soviet Score Soars Lidia Completes 'Grand wanted.

Two little Negro kids go to a white school and the other kids don't want them? The two Negroes shouldn't be sent." 'Knows Your Thoughts' Wasn't 'stepping aside' something like quitting the fight for his rights? "What rights?" Clay asked. "I know what it's like to travel in the South and in the North, too. You don't know how your chauffeur lives, what he says, what he thinks. "But he knows how you live because he sees it. He hears you talk and knows what you think.

"You just don't know what the Negro in America is thinking about and that's why a lot of you are scared. Liston mixes and I get criticized for staying among my own kind. That's all right with me." Was 'Born A Muslim' Were organizations like the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the Congress of Racial Equality wrong for seeking integration? i "They have a right to do what they think, but I'm not going to get killed trying to force myself on people who don't want me. I like my life. Integration is wring." Is Clay an actual member of the Muslims? i "I was born a Muslim, I'm told.

My race is descended from the people in Egypt Africa whose religion has always made them Muslim. Cites Job Shortage "It's funny the Africans are treated better in this country than the American Negro. "There are 160 million white people and 20 million Negroes. Now do you think that the white people are to say, 'Here, I'm quitting my good job and giving it to you'? There are not even enough jobs for the 1 whites. "I'm not mad at the white people.

If they like me, I like them. Milton Berle has invited me to the hotel where he is performing, so I'll go. But wouldn't go there if I wasn't wanted. "I know this talk about liking the Muslims is going to hurt the fight promotion and thereby cost me some money. But money is not a god to me.

I don't care." By BEN FUNK Associated Prtu Miami, Fla. Behind the wagging jawbone and the corny burlesque comedy, Cassius Clay is a clean-cut, intelligent young man with fast hands and feet and sincere confidence in his ability to take the heavyweight boxing title from Sonny Liston. In his modest Northwest Miami home nestled among pink and black Cadillacs and a big, gaudy bus proclaiming him Necklace For Star U.S. Winter Olympians Empty-Handed Again Innsbruck, Austria (AP) The Soviet Union's speed-skating phenomenon, Lidia Skoblikova, won an unprecedented fourth gold medal and Uncle Sam came up empty-handed again yesterday as four championships were decided in the biggest day of the ninth Winter Olympic Games. The 24-year-old Siberian SONNY LISTON Admits He's Stronger Clay amateur fight show called 'Tomorrow's Champions' on TV in Louisville.

I went down there when I was 12, got a fight and won the decision. When I was 14, I was beating full-grown fighters. "I was popping off even then. In high school, I was telling everybody I would be the champ. Before I was 18, I had had 100 fights.

I won the A.A.U. light-heavyweight title, the Golden Gloves heavyweight crown and the Olympic light-heavyweight championship when I was 19. But people forget all that. "When I fought Archie Moore they said he had too much experience and too much punch for me. I said I would stop him in four rounds and nobody believed me.

When it happened just like I predicted, people said, 'Well, Archie is getting old. Anybody could whip It's been the same after all my fights, "They've never believed me before, so let them think whatever they want to now. When they see Liston on his back, what will the excuse be?" Boxing An Art With amazing candor, for him, Clay conceded Liston's advantage in power, but he added that "muscle men never made good champions. "The graceful fighters-Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis were the great ones. They had footwork, rhythm, timing.

When a man can move in, land a combination of punches and get away, that's boxing, That's an art." pumped new life into a tired fight racket, now was turning sour. His challenge of the brut- ish Liston was no longer being taken seriously. "I don't worry about how the Slam Attociattd Prcsi Wlrphoto mmUi fm Keefe Manush Huggins Ward with Babe Ruth and the problem of getting the Yankees of that era to pay some sort of attention to training rules, Huesins uiloted the Yankees to three world championships ip yH people feel," Cassius said. "Sure, 1 know they keep coming out to see some fighter button the Louisville Lip. "I made Liston the favorite of the fans.

He used to be the villain a mean ex-convict and people wanted to see him beat. Then I came along and they got an earful of me and they began rooting for Liston to shut me up. Ill be fighting him and the fans, too. Biggest Fight In History "I talk and holler. I made a lot of big money fights that way.

I made this one the biggest in history. "There are 16,000 seats in the Convention Hall at Miami Beach, and they cost an average of $76 dollars apiece, and they'll all be sold. With the theater television, this will be a $7,000,000 fight. I built all that with my big mouth. I should shut up? "The trouble with people is they listen to me jabber and they don't judge me on experi-ence and boxing ability." Publicly, Clay has predicted that he will stop Liston in five rounds.

But now all the ballyhoo was laid aside. He admitted in comparison that Liston is the stronger, "is pretty fast," is better developed in pro fighting, and "might not fall." Sees His Assets But he revealed, also, that he has grown to Liston's size at 220 pounds and believes that he has the ring moves to overcome the champion edge in brute force. Liston has won 35 of 36 fights, 25 by knockouts. Clay has had 19 pro fights and won them all, 15 by kayoes. "What the fans overlook," Clay said, "is that I had 186 amateur fights.

I'm young and I'm still growing, but I've been through the mill. had my first fight when 1 was 12 years old and ever since that day I've been aiming for February 25, when I'll win the heavyweight championship. an "I used to watch Fame was under Huggins that the Yankees won the first pennant in their golden history, in 1921, and it also was under the little leader that they set an A.L. record of 110 victories in 1927. That mark was subsequently topped by the 1954 Cleveland Indians' ill wins.

Keefe, a right-handed pitcher, won 346 games from 1880- i 1893. His biggest year was 1886 when he won 42 games. In 1888 he put together 19 straight victories, a record that since has been equalled only by Rube Marquard in 1912. Won 30 Seven Years In an era when teams em- ployed only three or four pitchers and relief pitching was un- i heard of, Keefe won 30 games seven consecutive seasons with records of 41-26, 37-17, 31-13, 42-20, 35 19, 35 12 and He was one of the first pitchers to use a change of pace as part of his pitching technique. Ward, ith a career dating from 1878-1894, managed Brooklyn in the old Players League and the National League and also piloted the New York Giants in the N.

L. He was active as a pitcher only seven years, winning 158 games including a perfect game in 1880. He also played the outfield, second and third base and shortstop and had a .283 batting average. Ward was president of the Boston Braves in 1911 and 1912 and attorney for the National League later in his career. He died in 1925.

GOLDEN GIRL Speed skater Lidia Skoblikova of the Soviet Union wears the four gold medals she won in the Winter Olympics at Innsbruck, Austria. She earned the unprecedented fourth medal in yesterday's event. Grimes, Faber, Manusli, Huggins in our Store-Wide Clearance Voted Into Hall Of and holder of the U.S. National women's crown, took sixth place. Christine Haigler of Colorado Springs, and Albertina Noyes of Arlington, finished seventh and eighth, respectively.

Francois Bonlieu, 27-year-old French mountain guide, scored an upset in the men's giant slalom and Eero Mantayranta, wiry Finnish customs inspector, added his second gold medal hv U'inninfT thu VS-lrilnmotnr cross-country ski race. The flying Finn captured the 30-kilometer earlier and goes for a triple in the 50-kilo race Wednesday. U.S. Hopes Disqualified America's frustrations were compounded on the Luzum Valley giant-slalom course 1,640 yards with a sharp 400-yard drop and 75 gates made more hazardous by slushy snow. There, two of the United States' chief Alpine hopes, Bud Werner of Steamboat Springs, and Jimmy Huega of Tahoe City, were disqualified for missing gates.

Billy Kidd of Stowe, finished seventh, one minute, 49.97 seconds behind Bonlieu's winning 1:46.71. Billy Marolt of Aspen, was 13th and Prince Karim, the Aga Khan, finished 27 seconds off the lead. Protest Brushed Aside An official protest by U. S. coach Bob Beattie against bronze medal winner Josef Stiegler of Austria was brushed aside.

Beattie charged that several Austrians, not including silver medal winner Karl Schranz, had illegally scouted the course before the race. Rpattip cairl at a npve rrn. ference later that thp Austrian team "played a pretty lousy trick. This isn the first time this has happened here and we are a little fed up with it. They act like this is an Austrian Olympics instead of a world Olympics Canadian Team Wins Canada's hockey team, led by Gary Dineen, whipped a scrappy German aggregation 4-2 and went into a tie with favored Russia with three victories and no defeats.

Sweden, which beat the United States on Saturday, won its second game by shutting out Finland 7-0 for a 2-1 record. Over at Seefeld, Georg Thoma, the defending champion from Germany, forged into the lead in the jumping phase of the Nordic combined to be completed with the 15 kilometer ski race today. John Bower of Auburn, Maine, was the top American in 20th place. A 1 1 1IIIIIUIV.O, 3. v.j.

Only melting ice, which sent pools of water squirting from her flashing blades, kept her from beating the Olympic record as she had done previously in winning the 500, 1,000 and races. She missed by six-tenths of a second her own mark set at Squaw Valley, Cal. Until now, no athlete had ever won more than three gold medals in the Winter Games. The powerful Russians boost- ed their medal harvest to 14 six gold, four silver and four bronze. The United States has one the bronze won by Jean Saubert in Saturday's women's slalom.

Peggy Fleming Sixth The United States even had to settle for secondary honors in the women's figure-skating, an event Americans once dominated. The ladies' title was won by Sjoukje Dijkstra of IHlland, twice world champion, who climaxed the free-skating phase of the competition with a dazzling exhibition. Regina Hetizer of Austria was second and Olympics At Glance Medal (landings in th. ninth Win lr Olympic! aftr y.tttrday't fifth day of competition: Cold Silver Brome Russia 6 4 4 Finland 3 11 France 2 2 0 Austria 1 2 1 Britain 10 0 Holland 1 0 0 Norway 0 3 1 Germany 0 11 Italy 0 1 1 North Korea 0 1 0 Canada 0 0 2 United States 0 0 1 Sweden 0 0 1 YESTERDAY'S WINNERS Hockey: (Championship Round-Robin) Canada 4, Germany (Consolation Round-Robin) Norway 9, Italy Romania 5, Yugoslavia 5 (tie). Men's 15-kilometer cross country final Eero Maentyranta, Finland, 50 minutes, 54.1 seconds.

Women's speed-skating final Lidia Skoblikova, 5 minutes. 14.9 seconds. Men's giant-slalom final Francois Bonlieu, France, 1 minute, 46.7 seconds. Women's figure-skating, concluding with froesfyle Sjoukjo Dijkstra, Holland. TODAY'S EVENTS 2 a.m.

Men's figure-skating, compulsory figures. 3:30 a.m. Men's Nordic combined 15-kilometer (9.4 mile) cross country. 6.30 a.m. Women's giant slalom.

IVu "Jin 4fl Fine quality suits I)v Inosiicloe 7 Vvl Faber Grimes of .330 after spending most of 1 i ta i nis io years wnn ueiruu anu Washington, lives in Sarasota, Fla. Manush batted .378 twice, in 1926 and 1929. He also hit between .336 and .355 in five other seasons although the 1923 season was the only one in which he won the American League batting title. Huggins Played Second Huggins was considered on his managerial career although he also played second base for Cincinnati and the St. Louis Cards.

He also managed the Cardinals. mm Among 6 New York UP Six players, three of them still aliva, were voted into Baseball's Hall of Fame yesterday by the veterans committee. The committee considered only those who have been out of baseball 20 years. The newest Hall of Famers are Burleigh Grimes, last of the legal spitball pitchers; pitcher Urban "Red" Faber, who spent all of career with the Chicago White Sox; outfielder Heinie Manush; Miller Huggins, who managed the Kew York Yankees to six pen nants in 12 seasons, and two men who starred before the turn of the century' pitcher Tim Keefe and general handyman John Montgomery Ward. Grimes, who spent most of his career with the Brooklyn Dodgers and won 270 games from 1916-1934, now lives in Trenton, Mo.

Faber Won 253 Faber, also a right-handed spitball hurler who won 253 games for the White Sox from 1914-1933, resides in Chicago. The election of Grimes and Faber marked the first time that any of the 17 pitchers who used the spitball when the majors banned it in 1920 have been given the game's highest honor. The spitball disappeared from major league once and for all when Grimes delivered his last "wet one" for the Yankees in 1934. Manush, who retired in 1939 with a lifetime batting average and jSFmcastte Wore S79.30 FOURTH AT WALNUT Despite frequent arguments besides the six pennants. It Pleased With Vote Associated Press Here's how the three living members reacted when told they had been voted into baseball's Hall of Fame: Heinie Manush: "I feel wonderful.

Maybe III have a drink to celebrate." Urban "Red" Faber: "It was a little unexpected. Then again it has been a long wait." Burleigh Grimes: "Like everybody else says. I'm very appreciative of it" MAUL. -i-ViV A AMtnMtWSp WssflsVeiSMSsWsAsJ.