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Report of aldermen meeting with bridge directors. Roebling - BROOE.LTN D AIL'S EAGLE, MONDAY, FEBRUARY 24,...
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Argument Pro and Con Remarks by messrs. Sow, Campbell, Flake, Hennessey, Hennessey, Hoebllng, Cammo?er, Rodney 8. Church, and others. TA portion of lb a fol'owing report appeared. In lostsll mt - nts. in ourlito edttioDs of Satnrd.y. Several two - graphical errors, consequent npnn the haste (?th which tho matter was "set up," marred Sm ator &lurphva speech. The subject under deba'o Is of such v'lul concern concern to Brooklyn, that wo deem It proper to pnbluh tho discussion npoutt conrected. correct una complete. The meeting ot the Common Council Committee Committee to whom waB referred the petition of the Directors Directors of tbe EoBt River Bridge Company for an appropriation of $8,000,000 in aid of that enterprise, was held on Satnrdav afternoon at I be CUv Hall, In tho Common Council chamber. There was a numerous attendance attendance or leading citizens, including The Mayor. (Honorable Man in KalbfUIsch) Ex - Mayor, (Honorable 8iimuil Booth) 8enatrr Mnrphy, Homrable Edwards W. Fiske, Waier Commisrioners Norlbop, PoivUt and King, Messrs, John H. Fank. Alexander McCue, J. P. Hnnesey, J. Careon Brevooi t, Connolly Kodriy, Ex - Mayor Wood, John 13. Bosart. Wm. Marshall, Ambony P. Camub.ll, Seymour Seymour L. Hua eri, Wm. H. Fnrt'v, John E. Cummevcr, Jame Harper, Hnsij McLaucrhlin, 4ih Waid: H. Mc - LiU2hHo,Sd Wa.d; R .bert Fury fatren Com.), A. w. iienson, wm. u. itusnmore, lsonc unoean. Aldermen Aldermen BergcD, Fisher, McQronrly, O'Brien, Wbi ine, Daniels, Thor EUUiir, Ar.dn - w W, Grcrn, Park Complioller; W. C. Dfvviit, Jucob WoFteivrll, HeLry Harteau, C. C. Martin, EogioeerJ. A. Roebling. The room was adorneo n - iih views and dIqos of tbe proposed structure, r - ne of which uaa about fifteen feet long, ami three rubers ora'ffert - nt tlzeB, Bhowing In detnil the plan of ibo proposed bridee, as rirawu by Mr. Hocblinr;, ibe engineer. Tbe largest i.lnn hboivcd the h, ieht oi tbe bridue ahovc tbe vessels in the river, ond the others exhibited the details of 'he const ruction of the ediflc.. Tbe meeting was called to order about balfpast, one o'clock, when Alriermnn Whimsy, chairman of 'he committee, read the petttiun presented to tbe Common Council, arUiog for a fubridy f $3,000 000 in aid of ilie bridge, which was reported in tue Eagle at tbe lime of the preeca - taiiin. Mr. J. W. Dow then addressed ihe Committee at somelenL'th, presenting thenlun heretofore diaciiBsed in the Eaolb, of a srlesof four bridge, built on lour Elera eacn, aud making four lines nf streets and wa're - onses, cxtendiug Irom New York lo Brooklyn. Ho claimed tbatlheaooption of this plan would uoi costtho citf one cen', the rent of warehouses paying the cost, and that it would werk to tbo advantage of toe harbor harbor by offering belter facilities ford. ck"ge and o harf - aee, while as be asserted, tbe bridne was liable at any time to snap and burl its fieiabt into tbe river. Mr, Dow said he was very sorry to have to oppose a scheme brought forward by Mr, Murph? and o hers whmn ho bo htuuiy reBptctfid ; ba no one who 'ad croseed ine Ewrt river daily and watched tbe growth of population, coold doubt that something more loan a mere bridge was needed to meet tho wants of Brooklyn. His Slan bad been studiously kept out. of tte rooklyn papers, which were afraid to niscusa it lest it should withdraw snpport. from lac bridge project. project. Mr. Dow presented a model shotting, bis t - lx - teea ntcrs. and explained bow trie draw brirle - B be tween them were to bo worked. Ho was confident that, bridge or no brioge. tbe demanos of r.omto.rce would ulilmaiely comp I us to convert the East Btver Into docks as bis scheme proposed. Mr. D. L. Nortbup and Mr. Rodney Cburch made a few remarks, af er which Mr. Dow rose again and asked asked whe.tier the i8,000,0(0 was lo cover tbe entire cost of the bridge, oronty the DOrtioa from shorn to shore. Hon. Htnry C. Mnrphy then rcse and spoke as follows: follows: Gentlemen of the Committee: I occupy, as yon well understand, the poeluorr of President of the Bridgo Company, not by tiny seeking of my own, but by tba request 'i tbo gentlemen nam. d as Directors of It, in tbe net Df incorporation. Audi suppose if is therefore therefore propfr for me to answer tbe question proposed by Mr. Dow. Beloro doing ao I wish to reciprocate reciprocate hire what that gentleman has expressed, expressed, my very high appreciation of the character of Mr. Dow. I have known . him for a very lont period, us he has said, almost tooionir to mention, i may be lorty years, sir, and I have always found blmlo be an honorable, truthful man ; and I know he veiuld net come h. - re to advocat" any plan unless befincerely believed In its efficacy. But wbfle, at thesauri time I accoro to him that character and that feeliig in the matter, Imusiplaim for myself, nnd for tko gentlemen with wnom I;am associated the same iurity of mo'ive and th same honor. TMs oompmy.air, present themselves before yon becausrlby tho act til' lucoporation thecily or Brooklyn wbb au - thoiized t lend its aid to this enterprise, and lxcan - u we helievnit is only by the city of Brooklyn taking part in it that we can rcasor abty expect the succeee which it I' - servei', and within a reasonible time. But wo no so firmly, with tbo conviction, tsir, that this F.'idga If hullt will be of untold alue to thu lniereBts or toe city of Bmoslvn and to its property, enhancing itc means of enterprise and enhancing tho value ofiti taxable eBtates, Wc do not present it to the cily, Sir, merelyaB on investment of capital. Not at all. We leave that out of view entirely, ond we present it lo the city of Brooklyn as tho tuing wbicb of all oiheis is most ntccssary for its continued prosperity prosperity arld increase. This Bri ige, I will now say, Sir, to answer the quos - lion of the gentleman, when complete will cost about eight millions of dollars, and in that estimate I tell tbe gentleman that we include Ihe entire expense of the Bridge from end co end from Sands street, Brooklyn, Brooklyn, to tbe City Hall, New York. Mr. Dow Mr. Roebllng estimates higher. In his report he said from shore to sbnre. Mr. Murpby here introduced Mr. Rocbllng, who slated that bis ei,itre estimate for the bridge, not includimr the real estate, was between six and seven millions of dollars, and tbe estimaio of real estate would bring II up m ahonr olftht millifena. Mr. Dow rose lo tpeak ag.iin. but Mr. Murphy clUmed that he bad tbo floor, and said: I repeat that tho entire cost of tbo bridge, aid all connected connected with it, including land damages, after tbe most carefol estimation on the Dart of Mr. Rneollng, ihe Engineer, and of gentlemen selected for estimating the value of the land and buildings, is about cigbt millions of dollars, pnd no more. Mr. Roebline'a calculation of the expense ol the misonry and of ihe iron work of tho bridge from ono termination to the other, was, as he stales, between six ond seven millions ofdollars ; and tbe estimate ot I be gentlemen selected for tbe purpose ofvaiuitjg the. land was between one and a half and one ood tfiree - nuarter million dollars, thus making the amount which I have already stated, of eight millions. That includes tbo purchase of tbe land aud everything poastble that we know of, or could imagine would eu - tor into tbe iost of the Bridge. The geutleman, therefore, therefore, may dismiss from his mind tbat which appears to excite him somewhat, tbat we came here for the purpose of deceivlnp ibe people and rur ntng the ct'y Into an expense of 15 or 18 millions of dollars. dollars. How in regard to there ostimateB, 1 may say it although Mr. Roehling is present, tbat thty could not bavo beon made by a more competent mart. He is the engineer who constructed tba Niagara Hue - pension Brldrre and the ISnsnen&ion Brlr rre aeroas tho Ublo liiver at Cincinnati, besldos others not quite so largo, but ahll important bridges of the kind. He has but recently completed tbe bridge across tbe Obl, wbicb in length Is about three quarters of what this will be, an that he bus a praclica' knowledge within bimstlf ot exactly what thisBndtre muat cost. He knows what tnlers iato the construction of it; bo knows tbe cost ot the mareriais; ne biiows mo prices ol labor or every dis - crlptloe, as well asany other nrao iu the couutry, and on bishiirh reputation as an Engineer, a repu'ation co - ex'fcnaive wtt.h Europe as wellas with ibis country, be tells uu tbat it will cost between six ana seven mil lions of dollars aud no mor. Ju regard to the vulua - uou or ice tana, we nau too land Purveyed, throuah which tblo Bridge will run, by poisons euleettd here nnd in New Yoik who w re acquainted won tbe valurt .r pr;p - rty, for the unrpor.o of estimating estimating lotby lot,oi.d bnilillnghy huilding; ann their detailed estimate and calculatlonof thiB partof ttie ex - 13 unncni i aim i mm inrce - qu jner miiltoni. Now I assume ibut the expeuee of this work will notex - CJe'd 8 millions, for the reason that these calculations have been ha. ed on tne prices of labi.r anu mat - iials as ihcy stand to - day, when every indication nr ihe line Btmws that o my expect oediictieu in hotn tbe value of mai rial and lab. r. So ibai most iifcely ih expense of constructing this Badge will bo b ss tbun tbe estimaio of eight millluus which we have assumed assumed ou the ha is of the - e calculations. And what do we nek or the Cily of Brooklyn t We astt her to - suoscrine tie amount of ibree millions or allitlemore thuu one tbird nf tbe wboln cost ; tbo inn rest of which, if it fhnuld full on the taxable o'op - eriy of the city t' pay. wruld bo but one mill and a ball' per cent, on tho r'oilT. It would seveu per coat. Interest, lo the sum i"f two tiundied and leu thousand dollata u year, so tbat an lnctease i f the laxobte property of tots city to tbo amonnt of eeven millions of collars, at ttta present rate of taxation, taxation, would eive y..u tne $210,000 a year. Now, this would tic a remuneration to the public fur eub - Ecripti n, cm? if they oid not receive a dollar by way of interest, on tue cspi'al ram Ibe investment itself. I thu.k there is no one within trw sound of my voice, bnt believes ll this brioso be built, os it is projected, projected, with all the a 'vantages wbicb mul acctuo to us from it, that tbe ri - e af taxable proueity, instead of bciDg aeven, would bo aeveuty millions la lees Ibaa five years. Nov, in considering this question there are two polmsabout which those wb" h - ar me may wi.h to t'ave aomcttiinu said. In the first .place, as - to ihe ne - cesrliy lor the bridgo. or Ibe anvantagea ofihe budge, whico It is likely to produce its resnlt on taxable properly; and iu ihe second place, as to the f nn of the hridKe, or tbe particular plan which we propose to adopt: Now, Sir, I boli this proposition to be Indisputably true, i hat ibo Increase if population In Brooklyn is likely i tircgreBs at agr. ater tateihan that or Manhattan Manhattan Island Itself, and as compured with New York. ..i.u.u....ii i. imcjr iu iuciea - e in agreater ratio iban the population n one side ol tbe Thames ju, or on one side of ma Si loo In Paris is likely to increasu compired with the other psniim of London or Paris. Iu other words, from tbe peculiar location nud relations of New York and IIMiikiyn, tbe ultimate pmiulati 'n of this me ropolis muatprrponderaWon the Brooklyn ride that we mike the physical conuictlon wnloti we seek 'o make hy ihe lirldge. If recao onco nnlte Brooklyn and New York, so that we hae entire safety lo crossing, and ihe means of transportation at H times, then the population population on this ude of the rlvr must from the very phy - lcal conriiim r these two places give Brooklyn the advantage (applausi). Now mere ate two citenrostaners which militate aga'nst tbe popala lnn goinu to theother Bide of the Notth river, as.iutimatid by my friend, Mr. Dow. Tb North river cari'.ot. no spanned by a bridge. You will Ond, and Mr. Riebling will convince vou ou that, polut, tbat tbe limits of a Bo - p - nsiun btidgo are such that it cannot be turowu over tae Nrtb rivor, 'and ihereforo tho Noith river mui't evir formau impediment against tbe going out lo any vesv gieat or scrlons rxl nt or population on tbo . opposite opposite . aide or tbat rler New York, therefore, on the wost side is hemmed in, la stnnted lu her growfi f..r wo mny consider all this locality as a part of New York. Th - re is another circumstance, aod that is, tbat Jersey is a Ton - inn jurisdiction it is another another State. Tha' will always iiavo an effnc - to prevent prevent the population from uoi"g frtelv ovr to th other Bide of tae river. If Brooklyn nd New York be a.tted, the frre tendene nod natural law is for popn - In ion to comej'.ver here. Brooslyn wraps around Nuw Y'.rkontwo sides, for nlmus oin - lbirn of Ir, spicading nut like a fan around U, and pr. sentli.g a capacity lor receiving the iinp'alation of N. Y.. wnich is atmo - t unliniHed. O its norpi sido New York must extend uuly iu a long noirow line, ana in order to get dwellings you have to increase yonr distance in geometrical proportion as compared with Brooklyn. Moio than that. You can get mlllionB in Brooklyn within tbe limits of theeame distance as Harlem and Spuytcndny lei Creek. more man yon can get in JNew rorn, in tne bujuu uio - tance from the Battery or Cily Hall. Well, if all tbis population is to flow here, as it must, what is to bo be the e fifed on Brooklyn real estate estate t I need not Indulge In any fancy sketch In reference to this. Everybody Bees that thedemand must immensely increaso ror our real estate and for our buildings. Is this Bridge, then, a necessity? Until ven have perfect communication between Brooklyn and New York you cannot expect to have this population population come over here, as ll should and would in case there was a physical connection. Tbere are thousands ol people who will not come to Brooklyn because because tbey are impeded, perhaps for naif an hour or an bonr in their business, or interrupted interrupted in their recreation or their pleasure by delay in croBSiRg tbe river. Thousands and thousands thousands again will not come here because they apprehend danger In the ferry boats from collision with the ves sels passing constantly np ana down ine rtiver. Let n single one of onr ferry boats crowded with 1,500 or 2,000 paesenrrers bo ennb. That may - happen any dav, and It is only bv God's providence tbat it has not happened before. Let one such fearful catastrophe happen to - day, and your Brooklyn prop - , eny Is hardly worth that (snapping his flneers). (Ap i plause). We muat have foresight and prudence, we - ' raret prepare against any possible contingency contingency by which that can happen, and we can only do it by having a permanent Bridge. Then if Euch a calamity do occur, if the Bridge exist the people will say, we have the meang of gelling to nnd from Brooklyn without the liability to such an . accident. ' flow are we going to get such a bridge by this plan? That is the question von are all tbinkiug of. Can wo get bucu a budge by any other plan? I did not know any other plan would be here, and I am not , here for the purpose of jalkiog about any other plan which may be suggested in opposition lo tbe ono which we present. We have selected this plan because because we thought it Ihe best. It is nobody's plan, but tho 8uggcelion of scientific men. Tbeic is no interest in this plan to be subserved by its adoption. But we could not adopt a plan liko that (pointing to Mr. Dnw's model) because because it is subject to tho fatal objection ; that it obstructs tbo navigation of the East River. rKo bridee can be built unless it shall obviate all ob jections of tbat kind. This plan presented by my ineua, nir. uow, cieany enuts up ana obstructs tne in effect a benefit to New York mora than to Brooklyn, Brooklyn, nnd he wanted to know why the City or Now York was not called upen to subscribe a portiou of tho money as wel as Brooklyn. He claimed that tbe Company Company bad no right lo ask for money Irom tbe city. If the (trnject was to be as profitable aa it was claimed It would be, why could not the stock bo taken up by private subscription? Ho claimed that lha whole thing was u speculation lo swrndle the City of Brooklyn Brooklyn out of three millions of dollars, because by tho terms of tbo act, if the cities of New York aud Brooklyn Brooklyn should ever deem it necessary to lake the brtdea and make it a free bridge, as il would moat assuredly be, tbe stockholders were to bepaid33 percent, over the entire co - it of tbe bridge. Mr. John F. Hennessey hoped tho cily would not place implicit confidence on the Stat ements made by Mr. Church, for his speech was a stereotyped one. when When It proposed to introduce water into tbo city, Mr. Church made a similar Bpeecb, but the water was Introduced, Introduced, and what wbb tbe cost to tbe incalculable benefit which was derived from lis establishment. Sheriff Campbell said be was In favor or the building of a bridge cither by private subscription or by tho cily, no matter whether it cost eight millions of dollars dollars or twelve millions, because he considered it a matter matter ot viial importance to the growth and prosperity of the city, and he considered tnat tho Common Council Council would be doing a wise Ibine by lording the credit of the city to the company to the extent of three or even five millions nf dollars. Mr. Cammt - jer I am In favor ol building (ho bridgo as much as tbe gentleman is, bnt I am in ravor of having having it built by piivate subscription, aod I am not In favor of taxing tho poor man for it. Mr. Cburch So am I. I will subscribe $1000 to tho stock. Mr. McCue Wc will put you down for that amount. Mr. Campbell I am opposed to all tbis Bnrt ot talk about tbe poor man in tbis connection. Every man knows that whatever benefits the cily beuellts the poor man aB well as ibe rich man. Mr. Church We are to have on election soon. Let tia put up a seperate ticket at tbat election with bridge or no bridge, loan or no loan, and see how ihe people people of Btooklyn will voleou it. Is this mectlne a proper proper representation of the oeople of the City of Brooklyn Brooklyn 1 I claim th&t there should bo some better means of g' tting at the sentiment ot the people In this matter, matter, aiopeo, btfore the Board of Aldermen take tae responsibility of t - rantinz tbis loan. Mr. Cummcyer I think lbi - la tbe proper time to take an expression of ihe public voice on this malter. and il the meeting bad been called at the usual hour th. re wonld have been a larsre attendance. Mr. Campbell 1 don't understand teat tba uommit - .navigatlon of tbe river. 1 tec baa called ibis meetiDg for Ibe purpose of being Here as ne lays it down ore ronr Bridges onstrnctlng guided as lo what course or policy rney should roinw vessels seeking passage through tbe river Bolter far . in tbis mailer. They simply want to hear tae views would It bo for us to have a single Bridge with piers of tbe people on this subject I regret for onethattho and draws wbicb could be opened for tbe : Committoe of tbe Common Council have thought pro - purpose of letting vossels through, Iban to have per to call such a meeting as this. I this concatenation of Bridges which la cf - have lived tn Brooklyn .for thirty years. ectnally to obstruct and prevent all navigation of 1 and I never yet saw a public 'mce.t - tkeEast River. Why we have been talking about ortaees lor luty years ana tne oojection aB eacn individual individual scheme came up was, yon cannot build ono of enfflctent span to obviate, the objection on tbe ecore of navigation. Fifty years ago it was a iatal objection to building a bridge across tbe river tbat it would impede navigation. Te - day inBtead of one or two we count by scores and hundreds, the vessels going through tbo East River. How much more Ib the objection increased ? Where iB tbe gentleman loget his power, in State Legislation, Legislation, or fiom tho United States Government, who demands of ns to obstruct and shut np the finest watercourse in the world, as tbe East liver is? Can he suppose with oil bis plausibility aod eloquence, or witn any other means he may employ, that he can induce ruasonablo men to consent, any reasonable body ot reasonable lefrlalators to permit him to Bhut up the passage of tho East Rivor ? If we are to stay till wo get relief hy his plan, till some such action be had by this State, and by the federal authorities. It will be after be and I, and our children ehall have rotted in our graves. But tbis measure we propose Is an Immediate one. It gives us present rel ef and present benefli. If that is practicable, if it can be carried out, let them go and try It. This meanwhile will be no particular injury to tbo city of Brooklyn, if it bcreititcr bo emirelv laid aside. We eha'l have had the benefit of it In themeantime,wortb more than ten times tbe coBt ofiL We nrnnoso tbis bridse because it is that on which sclontltlc men agree aa tbe most practicable way of crossing tue nver, ooservtog tue condition of leaving tho river free from obstruction nnd the navigation perfectly clear. We Eropose no new tbing. Just wbat bus been uilt, and what this gentleman has built, and which is a peif. - ct succeBS. There are other plans; there bos been the plan of Innnellng Ihe river. I bave nothing to say particularly about thu, except tbatit is much more expensive than tills; thai il is Impracticable for carnages if not for foot passengers, SB the grade will be nt lease ten feet in a hundred in passing tbe bottom of tbo river. Tbe pneumatic plan has also been proposed lo run a lube at the bottom of tbe river, and blow pastDgers through. That may possibly do for pas - eogers, out we can easily see that it would not do for carnages and conveyances' of different kinds. Toere does not ectm to be anything that prill meet alt the requirements as to the physical physical connection aud leave tbe river unobstructed, unobstructed, except thiB suspension bridge, of adequate dimensions to carry over mo vehicles, pasreu - gers and cars that may be necessary. This plan, which will be explaiocd more fully by Mr. Roebling, embraces these three different features: In Ibe first Jlace it proposes ample footways for foot pasEengers. t proposes two double carriage ways going and relunlnfr. And it proposes two tracks for cara to be moved by stationary power oa trackways about thirteen thirteen or fourteen feet each. Passengers will then be carried from Sands street, Brooklyo, to the Cily Hall, N. Y., by stationary power in less than five minutes, saving tbem almost a half mile on either side of tbe River in carriage - or walking, an3 taking tbe people of Brooklyn to wnere tbey have not been able to get by any direct conveyance to Broadway, N. Y. You tbns open all the npper part ol New York and tba western part of it,weat of Broadway, to Brooklyn, You tuna create an entirely new field for Brooklyn. A set nf people, persons engaged in these localities of New York, who have never hitherto come loBrootlyn to live, will now have every inducement to come; yon empty as It were tbat ereat cily Into this, the business men of that cily into Brooklyn for residence, I do not anooose of course tbat the Brltige Is going to give Brooklyn ali the advintagea and conveniences New York possesses nut give us the Bridge, and then we will bave all those local institutions wbicb will attach these men here and will increase tbe chancer of our buildlDgs and public Institutions; and we will not be as now. In ens. quince of tne impediment between us and New. York, we are consioered a mire suburb, as in fact we arc. Now I bavosD'iken very cursorily about this matter, and lug called for a pnouc improvement at wnicn Ibe Improvement was not votea down. You can get a public meeting to vote anything down. If the matter was submitted to tbe people of Brooklyn to - morrow tbere would be people enoujb found lo defeat it. I regret tbat eomc persons with capital enongb wero not found to go on and build tbo bridee, for I have not a doubt that "after it was once opened the city would be glad to purchase It at any ptlce. Mr. Cburch The cry has been lor thirty years, when any money was wanted lor these things, tbat property would be increased so mucb in value thit taxation would be reduced, bnt Instead or that us find taxes going np oil tbe time. When Prospect Park waa g - lngnp tbat was the cry, but atill the taxes gonphUner and btcher. Mr. Wm. C. Do Witt remark?d tbat there were tw arguments advanced by tbe venerable ana wealthy gentleman gentleman on his led, (Mr. Cummcyer) wbicb ho felt It incumbent incumbent on bim to answer. Toe gentleman said that the advancing of tho proposed three millions of dollars dollars would degrade tbe sureties of the city, but be (Mr. D ) aid not propose lo spend lime upon that point, because in the noxt breatn he admits It would Increase tne taxable property of the city twenty - five percent. Mr. Cammeyersaid he supposed the speaker referred, to him, be would aBk If it would be beneficial to tho poor man to have tno value ot property raised In Brooklvn. Mr. Do Wilt I will ask tho gentleman If tho erection erection of this brioge will raise the value of property. Mr. Oimmeyer I suppose It will, Sir. Mr. De Witi Tben If an advance of three mllliona ofdollars will advance the value of the large amount of property in this city, that I contend is a proper answer to Ibe proposition tbat ihe issuing of the loan will degrade degrade the credit of tho City of Brooklyn, but I will pasB i hat and go on to the argument that tbis bridge would be detrimental to tbe in'ie'ests of Ibe poor man. Tho argument is old. It was made anainst '.he sieam engine and against every other Invention for saving buman labor. Now let us go back a few years. Was the 1 1 - borlng man any better off In the City or Brooklyn when propeny was not worth one - tenth of what it la to - day tbau he ia to - day? Does it iollow that because property property In one street goes up, the poor man's collage gos any hiyber? " On tbo contrary, do not all these improvements inure to the benefit of the poor man by giving him employment? The speaker 'then went on to allude to lha improvements improvements In Paris made by the Emperor Napoleon ihe Pacific Rillroad, and other ereat public improvements, improvements, Bhowinz that by them all classes of the community community were benefitted. In conclusion be slid th directors of the present company wero above suspicion, suspicion, and it would be a lamentable exhibition of the wont of public spirit if they were not snpporlod by all classes, rich and poor alike, corporate bodies and individuals. individuals. Mr. Nortbnp held that the construction of the bridge wonld reduce taxation and bo a priceless boon to the poor man. What was lha reason tbe thousands of vacant lots iu the cily were not occupied by the poor men to - day. Here we have thousands upon thousands of vacaHt lota which wonld be built np as homes ror the working working men, if there were only furnished traveling accommodations accommodations by which I hey could cot to their labor in winter. He bad no donbt whatever tbat wltbin five years aftertbncomplelionoflba bridge, the taxable taxable propertv of Brook yn wonH bo increased fifty millions of dollars. He was opposed to the malter going to a vote nf tho people because it wonld bo T"tea down. When the proposition to erect the Water Works was put before Ine people, they voted it down several times. After same remarks bv Mr. Beers the mantincr ad journ tel. The Btver and tbe Ice. This mdrning the East Eiver presented tbat peculiar appearance of which ootta love sometimes merely lor the purpose of getting something before to till the grand surrender of the old Ice King to tho toe Unmmittee and this respectable andlence In re - pernio nnrlrlps. ni sinrlr.r, . m. . i. jAl. j ference to tba m itler. Mr. Roebline la here, and will e , "aa"B Spr'E &c - ,Tne nTer !s dottea De wining io L'tve any uaautonai intormauon that , " - """'""s"' " - r 'cu, wnico, now - may be required. ever, are small and spongy, and not of sufficient air. n,'nue8st - y tuougnt tne plan oi air. Dow was im possible because tbe consent of tbe Federal or State government could to ba. obtaioed. therefore bo I'lboueht tbat plan was nntof the questiuu. uir, xjow arteuea in mvaroi nis plan ; ne claimed tnat strength to offer any impediment to the progress or the boats. The people who dally crosB and re - cross the East River are congratulating th. mselves that tba severe weather of tbe winter Is over, and tbat tbey tho i community were fe.rrol ot. suspension bridgo ! w,n no longer be detained by Ico in the river. The and wanted a 0'id etructure such as be prop 'aed. : v.i q.i i. j . , , , . Tbere waB no fear of geilinu tbe c - insent Of the State anu Federal governments if Ihe people of Brooklyn, Brooklyn, expressed themselves in favor i it. He expressed expressed bis ooinion that nis plun would vet be adopted. Sneriff Campbell Huw do vou propose to build It ? Mr. Dow By private capital, ana the rent of the warehouses will pay us. Mr. Campbell Where will this properly pay taxes? taxes? Mr. Dmr - To tho State or New Yftk. Mr. Firke said he believed in scientific men. Sixteen Sixteen years since a committee was appotutca to lay out the shore lino of Brooklyn. Prof. B'cbc was one of tb.m. bo long fi?o as th - ita eystom of basins, s - nch aa those propoB - d br Mr. Dow, was talked of. Ho (Mr. F) asked Prof. Bacbe about the basins, and bu was satisfied by him tmr, ih adoption of tbat plan would destroy me harhor nf New York - If tbat p'an were practicaD'o he should like to see Itadoutod, but as It was not practicable, be would av 'for God's sake, give us the bridtf.?." To reo millions of dollars weie nothing to the city in view of tba immense advantages advantages whlcti would accrue from its erection. Mr. Hobbling belli? called noon, explained at some length tho tilin ni ibe proposed oridge as heretofore publish, d io tbo Eaolb.' He claimed that thu bridge when completed woul - i be capable! nf passing eighty miltlor.B of people every year, and lllnst rated hifl arcn - nieni ny the diagrams nn exniniuoo. balmy Spring la near at band, and tbe people rcjolcolb accordingly. Tba trips of the ferry boats are made regularly, and the people who patn ni th - m are content. Another Landmark Gone. The work of demolition of the old huilding at tho corner of Fulton and Front streets has commenced, commenced, and the workmen nro tnsily engaged tearing down and removing toe dtlrh. Tto sno is to bo occupied occupied by an colflce which will adorn Fullon street, in which tba Brooklyn Safe Deposit Co. will transact business. The building, which has stood for a long time at tbo above coiner, was, for Eomo years, occupied occupied bv tbe "Brooklyn Ad vertui r," at ono lime a rival of tbe Eaolb. From the bands of ibu " Adver tls&r" tbe building passed Into tlio. - e ol the Brooklyn Insurance Company. It wbb rn oM, familiar erillre, and many will miss it after It eballhavo been removed. Tbe Temperance (flof omcnt. Tho regular Temperance Bieetln? held at tr. HennesBey wanted to know wbat would bo tbe the Park Theatre, under the auspices of the Cen'ral cbnnce. lor warning over ibe brinpe on a windv dBv Mr. Roeblme said tttat on ptorray daya but few people woulJ like to cross over tbe bridge, oa from iiB .xposed situation It wonld ba very uncomfortable to walk ov - r it during a storm. Sheriff Otimpbt - U wanted to know if nndcr tbe worst weather passcnr era could cross over the bridge on foot wfthont danger. Mr. replied Hint of course thera was no dangi - r. Tha ereat danger to suspension brldees was from buh wlntf. A suspension bridge hnllt hero on .i.i,ni.MM - , - j k the ola man would not be Bale for twenlv - fonr boors. of Ihe - Temperauce cause, and nrg - d by hut he was saiirflea tbat tbe nronosvd brldee would be aa safe, under tbe moal severe storm, as any build ing io New xorKor Brooklyn. Aid. Bcrrren - wanted to know If Mr. Rnebllnrr waa Bntiefleri tbat "1 hoy could et a good fonnoatlon tor tbe snoporting plera of tha bridge ou botb eldca of the river. M'. Roebling said be considered tbe fonndation on the Brook'yo si - 1c n qulto favorable, but not so mnch Bp ou tbe New Yolk side. There It would 00 a cosily matter ro sink deep enough to get a foundation. They would nrobahlv i.avo to co slx'v feet b'low the water line in New York, and about thirty feet in Brooklyn. Mr. Hem CdBLY Huw Ions will it take lo complete the bridge? Mr. Ifoehlinsr With no want of money, I consldor we ran finish the briupe in five years. Mr. H - nnessev Suonoslnir tho citv cute tba thrpp mllili'ns, bow aeon "alter that could the bridge be Biaoi'u r Temperance Association, last evening, drew a targa and respectable, Uo predominant element being females. Dr. Qeorge. Bonnet, the President of the Association took tbe cnalr ab ut half past seven o'clock, and called tbe meeting to order, and briefly explained its objects, aod tben inlrodnced Mr. George H. Hick of PMtadelpbia, who addressed ihe auilerrce on behalf all tbe means in their power to resist the repeal of the Excise law. He was followed by Michael Leonaro and James Mor.on, both of whom made stlrrlag Bpeecbes, aad a collection waa taken np, after which toe moeUng adjourned. adjourned. FuKBRAZ OP THIS LATB WttXIAM P. Buotron. Tho funeral services over tbe remains of tha late William F. Brough were celebrated yesterday afternoon at St. John's Church, corner or Wasbloetna and Johnson streets. The church was well filled by tbe friend!) of the deceased, the front pews by his relatives. relatives. Shortly after two o'clock the case containinz tbe remains was borne down th conire aisle, and iho solemn sentences at the commencement of the Epis copal service for tbo bnrlol of tbe dead were road oy I,!ec valna nfnron - rtv In lhla ciir wilt increase 9R rur esnr abort address fonndod on Ihe wnrrta to oi louna in r tJL n A . ij . r .. v. . . . . sk. i. ,nl.l - s an. ouo.i e.. uiiojer waniea to Know wuemer it tbe Zu!n verso of tne lomcnapier ui .un ... lha Corinthians. Io tho course ol nis rcmarm ur. BurgeB - i passed bleb euloBium noon tbo deceased, and made an impreeaive appeal to his hearers to prepare for the great change which would sooner or later come to alL After some singing the portion of tbo service which is eencrally read at tbe grave waB completed completed and the corpse was removed from the cbarrh. The remains, which arrived from Liverpool a few daya ogo, were encased In a very largo leaden coflln of somewhat niruena aliapr. The cortege then started for Oieenwood, wbero tho interment took place. would ho beneficial to the poor roan that real estate simiiiu increase in vaine. no considered city was .n - 'iuzh in deb now, without going into any mora debt. VVna. would tbe bonds of bo worth If Mile sort 'f thli g were to be carried "n. Look at tba Central Park, which cost so mucb. They allofft - a tho rich men to drive tbrongh It on Sunday but denied toe poor man the privilege of g .ing ou tho ekatlng l.on.l. f Apnlan - e iu ihe lohhv.) In she pamamannfr there were a number ol boule vard: &c. proposed for tho n - e nf the rich at tha exoense of tho poor. (Cheers.) Whv. if matter went on tlit. way. the nonda nf Brooklvn wonld aoon ba wonb about aa inuc a Confederate hnniH aro. ' Mr. Rodney 3. Cbutcu claimed that the bridge was

Clipped from The Brooklyn Daily Eagle24 Feb 1868, MonPage 12

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