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He said he was opposed to the Lecompton measure because n was a violation of that principle, and opposed the "English bill" because it required double or treble the number of inhabitants for a free State that it required for a slave State. He thought that when Kansas had populatou enough'jforaslave State she also has enough for a free . State. He believed in the equality of all the States. At the same time u he said he is in favor of adopting it as a rule that no new State shall hereafter be admitted unless she has the requisite population for,a member of Congress.-He declared that he did not oppose Lecompton because it would have made Kansas a slave State; he was as ready to vote for her with as without slavery, it the people wanted it. He then complained that certain ·'postmasters"" are going about the State opposing him because he voted against the "English bill." He claimed that but for his opposition the Lecompton pohcy would have been 'crammed down the throats of the people against their consent.' And yet those who acknowledge that he was right m opposing this policy, now affiliate with the Lecompton men to defeat him. He then repeated his charge that the RepuVican party WAS a sectional party, which does not dare to carry its principles into the slave States, and accused Lincoln of avowing sentiments in the fiorthern part of the the State that he was afraid to advocate in the southern part of the State. He attempted to prove this by citing a passage in Lincoln's speech at Chicago, in which he quoted the Declaration of Independence that "all men are created equal," and comparing it with a passage from his Charleston speech, that he did not believe in the political and social equality of the negro with the white man. He also declared that the Republican party does not dare to come out under the same name in one part of tbe State that it does in another part of tbe State. He thought the idea that negroes are included m the Declaration of Independence " monstrous heresy;" he believed that Declaration included none but white meu, for the reason that all the signers ot the Declaration- were slaveholders. But because the ne- gro is of an inferior race, it does not necessarily follow, he thought that he must be a slave, but he was in favor of every State deciding tor itself what {position tbe negro should occupy. Mr. Douglas then Attempted to explain'mare-'clearly thatf heretofore, how'the people in a Territory can do W they please on the Sla- ery. question under the Dred Scott case, the negro slave being prtfper- ty, stands on an equal footing with other property, and the owner may carry them to ,a United States Territory thf gajpa aa- he doesTother pro'pertyiXiine thought the con- s^tateojjaiguarap^-, could be defeated^ 'a refusal o'f-the Ternto- naLLegislture to pass shve codes. He repeated his sophistry about "uniformity," in reply to Lincoln's opinion that the nation as regards Slavery, must be "all one thing or all another,'' and closed with a higfaltttin declamation on the right of the States to attend to their own atfairsJ ' LINCOLN'S REPLY. Mr. Lincoln, when he arose was recieved with three rousing cheers from the assembled multitude, and proceeded to remark thatMhe same things thatjMr. jDouglas had just said, had been said by him so often before, and been answredy .that he did nofc deem it necessary to go ovet -the- ground again. He would tfieraLore attend to only, a few of the paints of Mr.Ppglft9i speech. First 'as to the .fsaerUog of Mr. Douglas that the-negfo was not included in the Declaration ofTnde- pendonce and that Jefferson and the signers themselves being them- selues slave-holders, did not intend to include the black race in that Declaration; Mr. Lincoln challenged him to show that any man since the Government was organized, had pretended before that the negro was not included in the Declaraiion.-- Nobody had ever said so until the necessities of the Democratic party had to invent that idea. Jeffsrson himself, although a slave-holder, when speaking upon this very sub. ject, declared that "ho trembled for bia country when he knew' that God was just." He referred to the charge that the Republican party^assumed different names in different'parts of the State, and showed that on Saturday Mr. Douglas held a meeting to make a speech in Tazewell county which he was afraid to call a "Democratic meeting." He remarked, also, that heretofore Douglas and his friends delighted to call themselves the "National Democracy," while now they would not consider themselves invited when a call was made tor a '· 7V*afo'o??«/Democratic meeting;" they would understand it to be a call of "those hateful postmasters." Eel-erring to the quotations from his speeches that Douglas had read to prove that in the northern part of the Stato he avowed uegro equality, and in the southern part the reverse, he reminded Mr. Douglas he (Lincoln) has all the while maintained that though the negro race was inferior to the whites, yet as regards "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," he believed the right ot the negro to be equal to that of the white man. ' Mr. Lmcolo. then took up Mr. Douglas' charge that the Republican party was sectional and did not dare to proclaim Us doctrines m all parts of the Union. He contended that it is not a fact that a right principle can be proclaimed everywhere, .nor is it a proof that 4 punciple is necessarily wrong because its friends do not deem it proper to advocate it everywhere. Mr. Douglas, for instance, would not dare to advocate the principles upon wnich oar republican government is founded, in the monarchy ot Russia, denounce Kings and monarchists, but ia this an argument therefore, that our republican institution^ are wrong anij those of Kings and monarchists is right?-"Is it a true test of a docrrine, that in some places people will not let you preach it?" "Why,"' said Mr. Lincoln, "I understand that at one time the people 'of Chicago would not let Judge Douglas preach a certain favorite doctrine of his, [Laughter and cheers.] I commend to his consideration the question, whether-he takes that as a test of the unsoundness of what he wanted to preach." [Loud cheers.] Mr. Lincoln then remarked that notwithstanding the charge of sectionalism, and all that, against the Republican party, Mr Douglas has not yet, since the opening o£ this canvass, attempted to prove that one principle m the Republican plat form is wrong. "We have," said Mr. Lincoln, "a Republican State Platform, laid down in Springfield in June last, stating our position all the way through f he questions before the country. We are now far advanced in this canvass.-Judge Douglas and 1^ have made perhaps forty speeches apiece, and we have new for the fifth time met face to face in debate, and up to this'time I have .nob* found Judge Douglas or any friend 'oi his taking hold of the Republican platform or laying his finger upon* anything in it that is wrong^ [^bfeers.] T ask you all to rectHltect: that Judge Douglas flies away'f^tfin the platform bf principle 1 / to the' fict that he cam find people somewhere who will not allow us to u an^ounce those principles. [Applause 1 . J- If he hVd great confidence that our jjrineip'fe's were wrong, he would'lake 1 lfola"'of them and- lemonstrate them jt6 le wrong. ' But'he does not'dtf'so.-- The only evidence he has of their being wrong is in "the" fact that these are' people wh'oTwm't allow us to preach them, I 'w^again, is that tho way to test tlM'soundness of a doctrine. [Cries of M no, no.' He exploded the. pretence of Mr. Douglas, that the principle of the C omprnmise ^measures of 3,850 and the principle^ o£ the ^fej^r^^a bill were the samel No .general principle was -estahlisned that slavery has a right feo go into free territories. Mr. Lincoln indignantly denied the accusation that, there i: an alliance between thfeJ'Natian als". and the Repuhjicans--He, was of course'glaci o'f the division in the Democracy, but" disclaimed any responsibility of its existence, "But," said Mr. Lincoln, "if the Judge continues to put forward the declaration that there is an unholy and unnatural alliance between the Republican and the National Democrats, I now want to enter my protest against recieving him as an entirely competent witness upon that subject. [Loud cheers.] I want to call to the Judge's attention an attack he made upon me in the first one of these debates, at Ottawa, on the 21st of August. In order to fix extreme Abolitionism upon me, Judge Douglas read a set of resolutions which he declared had been passed by a Republican State Convention, in October, 1854, at Springfield, Illinois, and he Jeclar- ed I had taken part in that Convention. It turned out that although a few men calling themselves an, anti-Nebraska State Convention had sat at Springfield about that time, yet neither did 1 take any part in it, nor did it pass the resolutions or any such resolutions as Judge Douglas read. [Great Applause.] So apparent had it become that the resolutiions which he read had not been passed at Springfield at all, nor by a State Convention in which I fead taken part, that seven days afterwards at Freeoort, Judge Douglas declared that he had been misled by Charles H. Lanphire, editor of the State Register, and 'Thomas L. Harris, member of Congress in that District, and ho promised in that speech that when he went to Springfield he would investigate the matter. Since then Judge Douglas has been to Springfield and I presume he has made the investigation; buf a month has passed since he has been there, and so far as I know, be has made no report of the result os his investigation. [Great Applause.] I have waited as I think sufficient time for the, report of the investigation, and I have some curiosity to see and hear it. [Aoplause.] A fraud--an absolute forgery was committed, and the perpetration of it was traced to the phire, Harris, and Douglas. [Applause and laughter,] Whether it can be narrowed in any way so as to exhonerate any one of them, is what Judge Douglas' report would probablv show, [Applause and laughter.] * * * The fraud having been apparently successful upon the occasion. both Harris and Douglas have more than once since then been attempting to put it to new uses. As the Fisherman's wife whose drowned husbpnd's body was brought home with his pockets full of, eels, said when she was asked, "What was to be done with him!" "Take the eels out and set him again!"-[great laughter,] so Harris ' and Douglas have shown a disposition to take!s out of that stale fraud by which they gained Harsis' election, and, set the fraud again more than on». [Tremendous cheering and laughter.] On the 9th of July, 1856, Douglas attempted a repetition of It upon Trumbull on the'floor of the Senate of the United States, as will appear from the appendix of tbe Congressional Globe of that date. On the 9th of August Harris attempted it again upon Norton in the House of Representatives, as will appear by the same ( documents --the appendix to the Congressional Globe of that date.' On the 21st of August all three--Lanphier, Douglas and 1 Harris,--re-attempted it upon me at Ottawa, [Tremendous applause.] It has hfeen clung to And, played out again and again as an, exceedingly high trump by this blessed trio. [Roars of ,Jaugh : ter, and tumultuous ' applause, "Give'it to him," c.] And now that it has been discovered priblicly tb be a fraud 1 , we-find that Jndge Douglas manifests no surprise at it at -all.. [Laughter,r "That's i«,," L'JHit him, again."] He makgano comp|aint o f . Lanphier who must have; known it to ,be a fraud Jrbm the beginning. Both Lanphier and Harris..are-just as crazy now, sad just as active ia the concoction of new schemes as they were before the generatl discovery of this fraud. Now all this* is very natural if they are all alike guilty in that fraud, (laughter'and cheers,) aud it is very unnatural if any one of them is innocent? [Great langter, "Hit him again," "Hurrah for Lincoln!"] Lanphier perhaps insists that th% rule' of honor among thieves does not q»ite require him to take all upon himself,(laughter,) and coi sequently my friend Jndge Douglas finds it difficult to make a satisfactory report upon,,his investigation, rjja.nghfe/a'tfdT-applttse'.J Bat meantrtite 'tne* three aw Agreed that each ia ^a most 'honorable maV' -[CJfeera and explosions bf laughW.] Judge Douglas requires and in- dorsement o£ his truth and honor by a re-election to the United States Senate and he makes and reports against, me and against Judge Trumbull l day after ^Jay charges which we knou to be ntterly untrue, without for a moment seeming to think that this one unexplained fraud, which he promised to investigate, will be the last drawback to his claim to belief. Harris ditto.-He asks a re-election to the lower House of Congress without seeming to remember at all that he is involved in this dishonorable fraud!-The Illinois Slate Register, editel by Lanphier, then and now the central organ of both Harris, and Douglas, continues to din the public ear with this assertion without seeming to suspect that the"se assertions are at all lacking in title to belief. After all, the question still recurs upon us, how did that fraud get originally into the State Register"! Lanphier then as now was the editor of that paper. Lanphier knows. Lacphier cannot be ignorant of how and by whom it was originally concocted. Can he be induced to tell or if he has told, can Judge Douglas be induced to tell how it originally was concocted? It may be true that Lanphier insists that the two men for whose ben'cfit it was originally devised, shall at least bear their share of it! How that is, I do not know, and while it remains unexplained I hope to be,pardoned if I insist that the mere fact of Judge Douglas making cha'rges against Trumbull and' my- 'self is not quite sufficient evidence to establish them! [Great cheering,] "Hit him again," "Give it to him," c.] He then referred to the failure of Mr. Douglas to answer bis interrogation at FreeporS, whether, if the Supreme Court should decide that States cannot elude slavery would be acquiesce in that decision? and after stating that Douglas sneered at this question as per- posterous, showed that by the Dred Scott decision, which Douglas endorses, and which asserts that the Federal Constitution sanctions slavery no State can destroy the right of property in slaves. Mr. Lincoln stated his argument thus: Nothing in the Constitution or laws of any State can destroy a right distinctly and expressly affirmed in the Cons titution of the United Stated. Accoiding to the Dred Scott decision the right of property ia a stave is distipc(ily and expressly affirmed in the Constitution of the United States. Therefore, nothing in the Constitution tfr laws of any State can destroy -tHe right of property in a slave. Mr. Lincoln, however, did not believe'that,th« Constitution tions sjavary, but Douglas does, and since ^hej.jiqdorses the Dred Scott decision, he must also indorse the 'doctrine that no State can exclude slavery. By indorsing the Dred Scott decision, he is preparing himself to indorse 'anothei decision even more monstrous-and by declaring his readiness to abide by all. Supreme Court decisions, there is no telling what he may or may not be Required to abide by. Mr. Douglas, by his course, is in every possible way preparing th'e pfabRp min'd for making slavery perpetual and national. Mr. L'mcolri closed with a con- sideratisn of the question of territorial acquTsituia in its relation to slavery, which, from the-' importance of the sentiments expressed, we shall try hereafter to,puhlish:in full. v K t t i jt ' \ « DOUGLAS'.^ BBJOINDEB., Mr. Douglas .commenced by rs- ai£rming'|ihst Lincoln, was in favor of negro e.qaality,'.Because he believed the negro entitled "to life, liberty ahdlpui-suit of happiness." He'then-referred' to*..Mr. Lincoln's argument in reply to Tjis charge that the* Republican party dare not assert its ptinciples in the slave States, and contended that there is a vast differanue".between Russia and the States of the' Union in this respect; that Russia is not under thOj American Cpnstifation, and the slave States are. He then turjed his' attention to the matter of th'e bogus resolutions, read at Ottawa, and go* veryaqgry at the accusation of talked of getting into a "p difficulty,'' of treatening with courtesy,, c. He then cased the Republican candidates of standing upon the "no more slave , States'* platform, and' cjuuider it very "rejplutionarjv^ JaBrtlfr- ated qiaJTSeilqifit care ,nkether slavery is "voted up or d«rn/" He then referred to the Dred Scott decision, and failing to answer Mr. Lincoln's argument that by that decision slavery', is protected in any of the 'States by the Constitution, he repeated his tirade against Lincoln for opposing decisions of the Supreme and wanted to know how he reverse the Dred Scott decision desired to? He repeated his sentiments of '-devotion to the laws his country," and tbe duty of citizens to abide by them -- closed his speech. In the eve r " ,g, a large enthusiastic Republican meeting was addressed by Hon. Archibald Williams, at the Arcade Hall. Postmaster General has ordered that all "supplements" or "extras" folded within regular issues of daily or weekly journals -not actual bona fide editions of such publications, conveying'intel- ligence of passing events and general intelligence -- subject whole package to letter postage. -As the Post-office Department for several years been the subject of many animadversions on of the excess of its cost over revenue accrueing u from it, tho attention of its officers! has been directed to the various classes of fraud to which it is subjected, every effort will he made to them in future. From the carelessness of local postmasters in allowing such violations of the as that above mentioned, and of similar chnracter, and frotnf il legal uses of the franking privilege, it "is without doubt true that government is annually defrauded of largo sums of money accrue from a rigid enforcement the laws -- prob.ibly very nearly equal, in tho aggregate, to that the excess of expenses of our postal system over the income from it. Under the present excellent management, a great many abuses have already been corrected, and we have reason to believe efforts will be contmed to^ entirely break up, as far as it can practically be done, all illegal uses of institution. -- Washington Star. HORSE THIEF HUNG BY A -- Last week we gave an of a horse thief, by the name Locke, having been arrested in Glasgow, this county, and' taken Pike county. We learn that he was kept in custody in Barry, until last Wednesday night, wjhen mob took him out and hung until he c wa's' dead. No secret could be extracted' from" him asHd 1 names of the persons belonging- the gang, and we learn that own mother went over there and admonished him to make no --to divWge, no secrets. Two the ringleaders are 'now dead, it is to be hoped that tbe tbe gang will take warning sad fate of their companions, let people's horses alone, -- Winchester (111.) Chr'onicle. . CLAY WHIGS, ATTBN- TioN."-rtn 1844, when Douglas was vociferating all over Illinois that Henry Olay had sold his try to Great Britain-- that he a drunkard, a liar, a gambler, grossly and notoriously selfish, Lincoln was putting forth Hercu- lian efforts to carry the State great Kentuckian. And when the elections c'ame off, and it became apparent ithat Clay could not Illinois; but that he might carry Indiana, Lincoln geared up his and wagon and started for the Hposior- Statfe, where' he traveled four hundred miles* making daily speeches for Henry Clay! .Nor he start for home-Mtttil the day the election of JL844 which a Tennesse Probate Court President of tbe Uniud. States. 4@*£ r -fazy fellow', °'^ho had loafcamfot Columbia, California,, for a long'time, and;hra nlew a day' in the mines, c«Dtly xlri^n, by want of liye, to a pick and' §hov«l and sally forth to try importune gold diggnig. He worked with little success for two' days, bat third day he dug up a lump nearly pare, which weighed two pounds! Th» lucky fellow hittflfeace to Weih, Fargo ft tbia, byjhom it WM rutrml dollars! Ihu monttnu · mile do yoraupbow I _ "I d4V#«ctly fax« *p)W otherv»bui tb'jodg* by yrinttitt afpmta'aeb-1 khbuid ibWt jto longed to ,tfee claw' gfeoenUy insect*." ^

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