Henry Grew - March 13- 1840

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Henry Grew - March 13- 1840 - . T U U Alifl-B v, !J . T ,,.- - , y era-' ' ....
. T U U Alifl-B v, !J . T ,,.- - , y era-' ' . - G. J" of r : ? t 1 -While :.. thee, bled, free, shed, t -Out HO N-R ESIST A NCE :l Z- ' . ' ' ' For the Libirator.';'', ; I Cz r Reptr to AdUa CfJa- iS BaoTBEB.1GAaai80if :' ' . ':-:.f'.. J " '"' " Having forwarded a correction of Mr. Ballou'a misapprehension of my views, in part, I bear leave to offer some additional remarks on his Reply.' He observes : Friend Grew does not even atStmpt to show that I have mistaken the true import of our Turd's words in that important nassaire Mattnew & 38-40. His construction of the passage is, that It torDios not merely ail personal, inaiviauoi, assutned right of -retaliation, hut all revenge at law all procuring of punishment to our injurers in the way of legal prosecution and judicial sentence. ' It goes the whole length.' Now, the fair question is, not what this single passage imports, 'abstractly con-tiArrrA. hnt what is the teaching of our Lord in all hia wnrda nn thta siihipcr. We eiT. and Come to nrmntnr conclusions bv not suspending OUr judg ment, until w have examined all the passages which relate to any subject If Matthew 5. 38-40 was the only instruction given us in relation Ao this important matter, I should more than tacitly admit that 1 could not 'gainsay ' nis consxnicuon. ji a . .- . . 1 - . Tl-.A 1 I find Jeans Christ nimseit maKine an excepuon, a rjtnnnt miiuuv ' that. - I sav Jesus Christ himself. fori maintain that the apostles taught what their MriJitrr mmmnruirA them. See Mat. ' UOCS he then set Christ aside for Paul?' asks Mr. B. I reply, no. l I only set aside Mr. B. for both. We neither of us wish to set the Savior and his apostles at variance. The question is, how are seeming inconsistencies (for there are none zeal) to be re conciled ? f' I consider the fact of the civil .governor being recognized as a minister of God," for good," a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil,' as already constituting an exception to the general rule of forbearance, Mat. 5. 38.-40, &c This I have already repeatedly attempted to prove. Whether I have succeeded or not, I-submit to others to determine. " - 1 " " .' '; , . Mr B. is correct in considering that the object of the apostle, Rom. 12. 17 to loL 7, is to inculcate the importance of professed christians cultivating peace,' &c Mr. B. wonders how any attentive mind can avoid seeing it.' Does he know of any attentive mind that does not see it ? I do not. This is the truth, but not the whole truth of the passage The 13th chap, commences with a distinct subject from that with which the 12th closes. Tt exhibits other duties, viz. the duty and authority of civil power, and the dnty of subjection to them. It establishes the exception to the general law of non-resistance enforced not only by our Lord in Mat. 5th chap, but in Kom. 15. 17-21. ine apostle, by the same spirit of inspiration commands christians, avenge not yourselves and informs them that the civil magistrate, as a ' minister of God1 (not of the devu) for good; is a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.' I must refer Mr. B. and my readers to my dis cussion with my fair and candid friend ' Pacific us ' for the argument proving more fully that the civil magistrate has divine authority to act as on avenger, although he may often abuse that authority. I pass over Mr. U s charge of 'opposition to the ereat apostle of the Gentiles founded on his gross misrepresentation of my meaning in the use of the words, we must resist it unto death,' by which words intended simply to express that we "must be willing to suffer death rather than sin against God. But I cannot pass over the injustice of Mr. B. in classing me with those who do not quote Paul to prove that it is the duty of christians to be non-resisting subjects of the powers that be ' ; but (what is vastly important with them) to justity christians in creating, changing and controlling the powers that be ' or rather, in getting themselves into the places of those powers . Now I request my friend B. either to sus tain this charge Dy quotations trom my writings or to retract it. Every candid and discerning reader of my articles on this subject must have perceived that m all my quotations and arguments, my object has been to disprove the opinion that civil government is not, in the present depraved state of the world, an ordinance approved of God. Mr. B. asks, ' Does the 13th chapter of Romans exhort christians to be subject to the powers that be ? or to obtain and exercise the functions of those powers ?' I answer, the former, and ask him if he considers this as proving the point at issue, L e. that the powers that be, have no rightful authority over them r that tnese powers, as avengers of evil doing, are not ministers of God, but ministers of the devil ? I have supposed that Paul in Rom. 13th gives a definition of the nature and design of civil government without reference to its abuses. Mr. B. remarks, ' he does not profess to give any definition at all of human government.' Now let him be heard. ' The powers that be, are ordained of God.' ' Rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good and thou shalt have praise of the same : For he is the minister of God to thee for good. : But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid, for he beareth not the sword in vain : for he is the minister .of God, a' revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth .evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.' Is this no definition at all of human government ? Is there one word of reference to its abuses ? Does it follow, therefore, that we are not to be subject to governments that do abuse their authority ? Have I ever, as Mr. B. represents, made such an inference? Never. All I affirm on this point is what he himself believes and affirms : L e. that we are to refuse to obey those laws which require us to violate the laws of God. '' We are to obey God rather than men. 1 V iat Mr. B. justly calls 'a false inference, but unjt stly attributes to me, is, that all powers which are in any sense uof God," " ordained of God," must be morally good and pure.' This is another man of straw of Mr. B's own fabrication. I believe that all things, in some sense, arc ordained of God ; but deny that government itself and the abuses of it, are ordained in the same sense. I maintain that, in the present depraved state of the world, civil government is a righteous measure which God approves, and as such ordained. Whereas all unrighteousness and oppression connected with human governments are abuses which he disapproves. The fact that there is no civil government without abuses is no proof that God does not approvingly ordain civil government itself. Nor can such facts justify us in maintaining that the powers that be have no rightful authority to punish evil doers. " ' ' What is remarked respecting God's raising up Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, &c. to shew his power in them, overruling their evil deeds for good, &c is all irrelevant to the point at issue. These facts no more prove that God has not approvingly ordained civil government, than the fact that he, in some sense, ordained that the Chaldean monarch should cast the three children into the fiery furnace, and overruled it for good, proves that he did not approv-ingly ordain the act of the same monarch 'in delivering Jeremiah from his " persecutors. God's ordination of things does not destroy or confound the moral character of men's actions. This-we all admit , s. . ; -'V--:-.--: -- : The truth is, that there is much more agreement between me and Mr. B. on this subject, than his Reply ; represents. He . has substituted several false issues for the true one." . The real point at issue is obscured by the clouds of his misapprehensions. What is it? Is it, whether or not, we are patiently to submit to injuries, and not to avenge ourselves? 19 it, whether or not we are to be subject unto all the powers that be,' whether good or had, so far as we can v be without disobeying God? .Is it, whether or not we are to obey God rather than men ? Is it, whether or not the Almighty, in some sense, ordains all things ? Is it, whether or not he overrules evil for good, causing the wrath' of man to praise him and restraining the remainder? No. It is none of these. It is, whether or not, in the present depraved state "of the world, civil government is an ordinance approved or God.' It is, whether or not civil rulers have ahy riehtful authority to pun ish evil-doers. While I admit the fact, that the administration of civil government is, in many particulars, unrighteous and unnecessarily severe, 1 hesitate not to take the affirmative of the question at issue. I understand Mr. B. (very inconsistently, in my opinion, with some of his concessions,) as taking tne negative ox this question. : ' "-"4' " w . I consider Matthew 5. 38. 40. to be reconciled with my understanding of Rom. 13, 1 to 7, by con-. sidering the latter as an exception to the former. I humbly conceive, that I have sustained this position oy rauou&i ana scnpnirai argument in my several vs. But, whether I have done this or not. I ao- peal to every candid and discerning reader, ana to my friend B. himself, to determine, whether, for my advocacy of , this single principle of the right of the civil magistrate to punish (in some manner) oil-doers, I am to Declassed with those who, do not quote Paul to prove that it is the ' duty of christians to be non-reetatinf objects of "the powers that be : but (what is vastly important with them) to justify christians in CTting , changing and controlling the powers that be," or, rather, in getting taemeelven mfn tlu riM rF t!anee no WOTS.' -? : " - v tn KMiKlniinn I rminXFJ In SAV thflt there STC CX . u wvuAw."., . y press ions of candor and humility in Mr. B article which mennrajre me to hope that on a review of it. he will ingenuously acknowledge his numerous mis-tiMKniiiMM of the views of both his and your sin cere friend, HENRY GREW. v; Explanation to' H. Grew." :'.': -Rinrnn Gakribo: ? - I am truly sorry to have so materially misunder-atiod and misconstrued our Br. Henry Grew lan guage in the article to which I lately replied."' I per ceive that he feels greatly aggrieved ; but I am entirely : innocent of any evil intention whatsoever in the matter. If I had supposed that, he meant tw use the word '.resist- in the sense which it appears ne did, I certainly should never have identified him with those who deem it . their duty to rectify civil government in extreme cases by physical violence. All I can now do is to ackrtwledare my error of con struction, and to request those who have read my Reply to withdraw the application trom ur. vrew s article of all those parts which do . him- injustice. And to him I would respectfully and , kindly say, that I am conscious of no personal feelings towards him but those of friendship ; that I desire only to know, embrace, and defend the truth in love to all mankind: and that I shall endeavor meekly and si lently to receive all his future strictures on my public communications ; not doubting for a moment that he who judgeth all hearts righteously will render to us according to our motives, and cause the truth, whatever it may be, or whever may hold it, finally to prevail. . . ADliM UAJUL.UU. MISCELLANY. From the New Lisbon Aurora. ' A Characteristic Joke. '' An anti-slavery lecturer recently calling at his appointed place to hold forth, was addressed by one nresent previous to commencing his lecture, and asked if he was willing . to debate the question of slavery. He replied, yes ; and inquired who proposed to debate with him ? The man replied. I will. The lecturer perceiving' his ignorance, knew that the people who had met to hear a lecture, would oe disappointed if they went on to debate. He propos ed to the man that he would go on with his lecture, and he might reply afterwards. O yes, said he, that will do. He accordingly went on, lectured an nour or so, and closed by remarking that if any present wished to make observations, he gave opportunity. The maji referred to ' immediately rose, talked for about half an hour, all the time betraying the most consummate ignorance of the subject of abolition. He opposed abolition movements. . He knew all about their operations had read all their papers from first to last : told about all he knew, and possi bly a little more. r - When he concluded, the lecturer rose and propos ed asking him a few questions not that he wished to catechise the man but for his own and the people's information. Ho admitted that he had not read all the abolition papers, tec, and wished to obtain more light. The man willingly assented to answer his queries, when something J ike the lollotving dialogue ensued: Lecturer. How long has it been since the present abolition excitement commenced in this country. : Man. Pausing a little, about 23 years. . L. What was the name of the first anti-slavery paper that was published? M. J do not remember 1 have forgot. L. Would you know if I were to mention it ? M. O, yes. . ..- . L. Was it the African Repository? , . M. Yes, that's the very paper ! ! : L. Where was it published ? M. Don't know I have forgotten shoulu know if I heard the name of the place. L. Was it in Pittsburgh ? : M Yes ! that is the place !? , L. Who was the first prominent leader in the an- ti-slavcrv ranks the first man who commenced ag- liaung tne suoiecir M. 1 have lorsrot don t recollect should know if I heard. -.,,. 0 . L. Was it McDuffie ? M. Yes ! he was the very man ! ! ! . The audience could hold up no longer, and spon taneously burst forth in a roar of laughter. The lecturer observed that the people might profit oy the uuormation this man communicated, and took his seat. , ..-.-..- , , , This is one of the mosf complete specimens of pro-slavery ignorance that has come to the public of late. It shows in bold relief that the opponents of liberty, presuming on their own acquirements, hope to impose their ignorance upon the public. . As absurd and ridiculous as this man's answers to a few plain questions, embracing matters of fact, may seem, they are not more so than many of those of the political brawlers of the day, on this vital subject. Who in public life is willing to admit his ignorance of the anti-slavery movements of the day ? Yet are there not hundreds of politicians, including office-hunters, office-holders, and all such things doum to the grog-seller, and even grog-drinkers, that will go on as if they .knew every item of the history ot tne rise and progress of the anti-slavery cause r ' From the Journal of Commerce. Beet Sugar JJgain. Good reader, did you ever see any beet sugar ? did you ever taste it ? We have ; and must say that handsomer or better flavored brown sugar we never met with. The grain is very fine, finer than is usual even with cane sugar while th flavor iaKhtr that of maple, tree from- the least tinge of nausea, and sweeter to the taste than the purest loaf. If such sugar can be produced at the same price as cane or maple, it will have a great run. We conceive that Mr. Child (to whose hook we alluded in our former remarks) is rendering an Important service to the American public, and we hope to himself also, by bringing the question to a practical test. He manufactured, (so far as we know,) the first beet sugar ever produced in America. For this, he has within a few weeks received a premium of $100 from the Massachusetts Agricultural Society, it being the same article to which previously a medal was awarded at the' great Boston Mechanics Fair in the autumn. About 300 lbs. were made in 1838, much of which was good,- but a still better article was produced the next year. An improvement in the drying apparatus, by which the access of smoke was prevented, and better acquaintance with the management of it, by which fermentation on the one hand, and carbonozation on the other were avoided, gave a nearly unexceptionable material; the liquor was light colored and transparent; the proportion of lime -required, less; the defecations more prompt and complete, and the concentrations "almost without scums ; in short, the sugar spraining in a few hours, drained well, ' and is not in ferior in flavor or appearance lo the fnest West India Juuscovaaoes. r Mr. C adds in wis connection, Ine quality of the molasses has been a matter of surprise to us. In France, the molasses is considered of , no valne except for feeding animals, or for distilling ; and it sells for 4 or 5 cts a gallon. The molasses from the sugar in question is of a bright amber color, and so pure and pleasant, as . to be preferred by many to any but sugar-bakers.' .... . Mr. Child considers the following points to bo well ascertained by his experience thus far: , ', ' 1. That all the Saccharine contained in the beet can be extracted by the method of desiccation. 2. That the raw sugar can he obtained without any bad taste, and fit for immediate consumption. - 3. That American beets, though generally inferior to the European in saccharine richness, can by suitable culture be made inferior to none. 4. That 50 per. cent more of chrystalizable sugar can be obtained by the method desiccation, than has generally been obtained by grating and pressing, or macerating the green beet. . 5. That the beet, once dried, may be kept an indefinite time without liability to injury. Maple-Sugar. Gov. Hill in his Family Visitor, urges' upon his readers the importance of attending tothe business of making maple-sugar, the present year. He says there are probably sufficient maple-trees in New-Hampshire, Maine and Vermont, to furnish half the, sugar . and molasses necessary . for the consumption of their inhabitants ; every 'pound produced will save at home the price of the cost, and the duty on the pound of imported sugar, whose place it will supply.' The cost of sugar-imported into the United States, at prices averaging from four cents and a half, to eight cents for the superior sugar, during' the year 1838, exceeded . seven mil. lions and a half of dollars. The duty paid to government on this sugar, amounted to nearly three) millions of dollars and the merchant and, retailer exact no less profit onrthe duty, than On the original cost. The editor says that from present appearances the flow of maple sap will be more than common in abundance the preaent spring.- -.; c,! h j -J -;T -,-,.. t. ' 1 V , ' -Young, i . . moral as - is - I

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