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hl columni, on circular r4an, with attached Ivju and ioliajred piul, tniprwrt the main arch Th wiltfri roof Yrould pin grftatlj bj a antral rih oonsistentiT with our previous rciawU ahould prefer that the thro lowoat trt window were closed in favour el aton deco fttinr painting. ThU feature secures rrtwter orltfwtoj and cleganoo for h'o. 1,189, already oMKd Spaeea WHullj re tTKl for painting co iacai alvre the wdo arch, in place, of a trt fortum. remains Mr, J. L.

IVaraon'a design for frttro Cathedral, ahowh in four drawings and a jn, which latter ahould have boon affixed to 1,11. I' are tn furnished with a scale. Vr. 1,118 show the west end and south At in elevation ti style, a severe early (Jothlc. ith'so skilful interfusion of French detail, and silh sip French arcliitectnral prin ttjlt "inwft deeply interfused." Mr.

iVarsen narrow lancet windows in some por 1 tw cl her he has a wider arch, with very Miaple and solid tracery in two lights. Cuspa This, especially from the in terior, cives a somewhat meagre air to the windows. nX.tl.e scheme admit thnrn, at least in trial or Tins PYX. rurraant le a warrant at tbe Lords of the Treasury, dated tb. 17th Issued under the provisions of the Coinage Act, 1870, and Her Marty's Order in Council of June 29, 1871, ibis annual trial wa.

U14 on 7eJuesday, at GcUmiths ball, where it has been conducted foe very many years pest, Tito trial this year was on of mora thananllnary interest, as it not on It marked a decaU of tbe conduct of THE TIMES, MONDAY, JULY 10, 1880. J.1 Htllo doubt that Professors Hughes and track kr" TO ftr r.rnRtHl tha morning, tho Jurors pre 1 .7" wuesns Jisroerabrancsr at I air. past clock, when it was read aloud and signedby the jarors and 8lr frederick Pollock, who tb.n took posae sion of it. to bo kept as a record of the Ex chequer. It will pi in an eriy ttue of the London Giuette.

m.y add that the verdict show, that every care ha. vvu. uiuiiu: ann via be n. ana hik am nw voinura rtci uwt.iino. uroiurivous tb worm ro Knti.n ei inu, toi, as uia mma arden of the Ccnpanr polntel llTtT moJ snooid tiU ba deserred in fsct, h.n.,t i.

some coini emo oat ab olntelT tvnUrrl vaiag." con.noc oBla r. rf k. t.i ith tins trial wrra sumntnouslr hr Tht METliOrOLlVAX WATER COMPAtES. the arbitr.tor that fatura pnxU sboald psid for coopuisory porchise at the ordjnrrrate The Selrct Committoo appobttd by the Hooso of Commons to eonsid the question of the supply of ukr to the metropoIu sstrorthoUittimeto take eridenea and hear coansol on Fridsy, Sir Williim Kai court, Homa Secretary, StrE. Beckett, Q.a, haTinjr obUiacd peraistloa on account of indispotitioa to addreai th onmili.

said they oadcr why he had as oouneed the other oiiupert nt. Btfcr tho srbrtrstoc it wm heft that future prospects must ram sonaethinir, and in tAa result the umpire jTa la addition ta tin prtent 4 pit entV0'. Prespetlra rsrisaue, and it must bj rc not ix ewj of an enormous unex hsasted suppIj.KKhM ia LorHlon. The eaapsvoy in instance wm oa. whst cUi its er.ds sndthirrura why the corporations of Stock ton and MidilM oroash rune sgi.nit th CTopwy wu, tilt thi water waj.

warairom lo lr. Th nrrcd th iIH hm Urrsin, but as to the amount of lis foodness, all ha Jld ear was that he otvr heard it mentioned. i ZI1 oWi5J to tm that they were firinjr a Jrjs.ia they were thankful to the Metropolitan Jtoard for hanng nude them iL They had had soother wsra.n? that they would anU themselrrs of. They would bind I thftmsolTM do more, learing th other side free. They mijht haro an which, as in.

the case of BirmiBjtiam. they might compromise instead of trying it out. but wUatrtr they came to that they knew that thVy sboald treat it oorelr a. 1 all ho wouM trwble them with, and ho would I are it ta ten years'1 work at the Mint as reorganUel in that The principal change then consist! in placing th. Prime Warden and tho (ard.nsf the Eth? osy mat tao water companies, for whom he appeared, did L.u Up e3fflPm ia ni that thej might them to jtuUe whether or not they would adot the wWoo notrropossto call witnesses, and it mirht aa wlt 1 "rply of wW tUt thjy aigtt of the Aletropolitaa Board and matt chois wirniows 1 The ixnith l.e!r dsicru lliat of the the actual administration of the department In the hands of a leputy JtaiUr tho Uon.

C. W. Fremantle and ia. trusting Uie control of Um operatioos of coinage to fewer officers tUn had hitherto been the cm. Tbe practical ojerstions.of minting naturally diride themselrrs into the mechanical production of accurately adjusted discs of metal and the ire.

ration of In which the. relation tetween precious and base must in all cat be most scrupulously msinUined. lu tho appendices to the 10th annual rtrort of the Ds fT I th 3Jiat Mr Ui HiW and Professsr Vt "10 ChsudlerltoWts, V.llA., deKrribe in dsuilths manner ia 4et tratnropt broaka the length of tho rkr loks rather pinch.xl in space for its three a 1titV Vl.l'.t 1a ra a4tU jms.lnm V. 2 .1. r.rTu:"v",i.T I the existing Mint, eo frciuentlr referred to in hi.

omdal in. warn nu iuhu ntiui.iu yciow, aim i 'r' i i. reports. ieVias three entrances tried hero Ihero fotpetlung to our eye in the spiro ofthe sniall tower sktltuily flanking "tho transept the treatment of the lowest visiblo bit of rs'u at. the east, lastly, the cinular disc decora xn of main wall and transepts crv out for iaiitidtial treatment and variety.

Tho skill rth hich a of the old church has rea worked in as a choir aisle will commend iyeH to every one as a mere pive of etToet. Hut the rslcoof.this issmall compared with tho immense in tresse in sentiment and intercut which the cathc arxi, inns inoorpiraiiig anu carrying on tlic i pcdival church witli its historj will have in the i re ot spectAtors. tornih in particular. Ice perspective drawing shows a south sl and enables us to tvalizo in some degreo tke actual cSoct of tho clemtions. Tho design of the south porch here comes out well, and what we cf of the wheel window of the great transept and of the central tower has great beauty.

But tho ipire. as here shown, look deridedly too short and hearv. This may be on a icrspective effect of tbe drawing. Vet we would suggest whether, as tho cathedral also threo cucnt pinnacles, it would report To a large number of out readers the term trial of the uebably a somewhat meaningless phrase. YVs will, ti.ere(rs, before entering into any dttails of tbe pro recdinp.explain in a few words wtat the nature of tLe trial is.

It is nothing more nor less than a searching test of the purity of the gold and silver coins manufactured at the Koal Mint tluring the 12 months, just ended, and by submitting1 some ot theai to tie clineit possible scrutiny aa to weight in scales so timely poised tht a breath of air will anect their balance their legal weight is ascertained The rtMulta of these scientihe ana oirtful are ute quently emlodied in a verdict drawn up and signed ly the jurois, who are all fret men of the Goldsmiths' Company, audi whicii' pullisLed in an early issue of tte LndK.h GiiCU. Ihia verdict, therefore, arfords the best pcssiUe guarantee tu the public that tbe respousibl. duty ui aeepitg ti couatry supplied I rum year to year witn tew coinage juit up to lU iejai tand.ua is houestly and faithfiilljr carried uiit at tle Hoy! Mint by the iieputy Master and bis vfiicers, to whom it is furthermore a quietus foe their; work during the past I'i months. 'the l'ys, lrom whica tbe tnaf Ae its name, is merely! mpany in tneir nail at 7 o'clock, together with a Urge T. .7." tnec guests, among whom were neiigairton Gladstone, M.1'., Chancellor of the icnequer apu blaster of the Mint tbe Kigbt Uon.

Bir Harcourt, rWrjetary ot fcut. for th. lloice Department the Kight Hon. J. Chamberlain, i miunui 01 ine iioaru ot lrade tlie Earl of TorU moum, ixra laltborpe, Lord Ilalclon, Lord Justice James, Mr.

Justice the Hon. Jirelya Ashley. Le cn.vaiier van Kiemsdijk, Hir W. F. Pollock, Queen's Kemrmbranrer trie' (ionmnf sf tha n.u a Sir Philip Cuulitfe Owen, General M'Mardo, Admiral Sir Jt "io uon.

rremaatle, U.B., 4eputy Master of the Mint Mr J. Holms, M.P., Mr, T. IL i arrsr, Chandler HoberU, F.R.8., to. once to explain that it was because theT Ail tbey had any evidence to answer. Tho MeironoNt.r.

T.l of Wcrk. bad called One witness. 3Ir. Richirdwa. a very A Ter'' abIe ma no doabt ia other matters, out tor tneir puriotes on tht have been be.ttcr if he had not been eiaiumed.

It was remarks bla that the iletrono'itan lioae.l course, inasmuch as the counsel sitting beside him were of remarkable exuerisnce in mittr. i awtaMMifc sa yri source. Lut wb a tbe eorpoition ewns to think about The committee wi'd now ccasiHer tteir did not go higher up tae valley, but still took water from the less. Mr. r.iehardMn.

in report. qufstions, had toM bim that he should Uke to have the or tha ereah.tions mada on the bsi of the Jletropolitin Toll Kridre. Act He hipp ae.1 to know aomethicg about one of tha easas uadrr that Aet. He napneneu to Know inat tne saarrholdecs had been CHESTER ELECTION PETITION. VlWJi.

on the other side (Mr. Michael. in tb dePb distress aad laaolrency for years, and tbe y. mm et of Crurew before him lno mjl THE AMERICAN COAL AND IRON TRADE. pinnacle and parapet Ye should then have tho efect of Canterbury or Glocester and this, without disparagement to Salisbury or Chichester, does sem the noblest, the moet monumental looking, oa to whole tre most elegant design for a crrat 'diurch.

Tte east end itself shows a very chaste scheme of Isruet apertures. But a good, field is here oprn ti Garnish liberality, if a few hundred pounds ire given to enable Mr. Pearson to add sue and height to the' corner pinnacles and carry a bold discharging arch (we think) over the xna'iri lancet group. The Pinnacles would then stand a little iaore to north and south. A similar addition would also imirove the small terminal buttresses of the choir aisles.

The interior section (1,120) has ratheran unerase appearance, which duo provision of wood Vi ana painted glass and mosaic will, wu trust, remove, ine interior ot the tower is very skiltul arxi beautiful. We wish we hal a view of the west wall, which, to judo by the phn, promises some rivrland ttlVctive. The plan shows considerable space before the choir in tho broad am: nve. Yet we cannot suppress a wish, although realization would involvo a great ehnge in the central wer, that Mr. rearson had the courage to break through' the narrowed centre, wr.i.

hisU one immense' rlefect of Gothic cathedral design compared with Renaissance, and trj to carry out more perfectly the great scheme only sketched out at Ely the "central octagon, llomove the four huge tower piers (the extra siro of which, aa they stand, might surely bo thrown on tho "aides or behind) arch from nnle i angle what noble centre Truro then have 1 And how much will the ch ir now. nthcr nanoa and over long train br ine opening it wouM then present to the body oi the hnilding. But wo have not space left to f.t. pt tdo justice.to the plan, which has all the lutrictcy and of the best nncicnt wot ks, and yet ire irini all air of premeditated and unneccs s.rv ty. If the details in which great care th'iugut will requued to escape mcchani c4 mon in detign and in executinn are to the general sclieme, the first Cathedral of iruro the la; added to thit magnificent series is r.ne r.f the best clerics of the land will be ur thy of its great position.

Irmyirxi Etr CATioy, Tho piss list of the frosad fxo.a;iatirn in tecbnolcjy urd tbe direction of aadGni'ds cf Landoa lastitcte fc Advance a i i rxiaeation ras row sppared. he results is.iniutii as ejm with tlxse of the previous 8 tb a very ir.cras in tLenumb rof ii scd in th number et suiects in which they i it In 11; irdi'litps were examined at ic aeven subjects, of whom 151 aivi jn 1SS0, ereexaininei n5 centres in 24 different s.b.trcts; cf wtom 515 iaoij. Tbe towns furnihicg the it i aairr of candilate' were Crew and" Tyne. In eiht subjects no prewnted th rawivfs nsmclyin ftisl, glass and work, iaco jrt ot oils, colours, and i i. T'rintitg, and ri.

awarck are li honours jrizt sof i sc. adtaiiecd jT.se cf LZ cact, 10 elementary r. oi ti 'X sl'ver scd bronze it imotnt of tfie txr.t to teacbets cn the re 'Tf a 'xsaiiiution is agaiLst i7 last year, r. cenur? ct failvrs in iron manufacture. sleek ou hand, tbe rulinc nrim Vilfinir imr.f oaa be traced back tJ the latter part ot tbe 13th century prouuction.

All this, bow but. as aow conducted. it was not foralr i.ti7us3 I eveT' t0 a tie4 effort to atissulate a v. T.r:r siecuiauve movement in order to wmt hM.r. LU iresidl in Z7ZZZ? Ult ot tLe hovai a uuu.uau ucavj proponions.

lesaporary of thematVer A 7V I oiumg oi me siocas, out it is i. hill VU ftlll MMD IOmi BAir UUI PlIMn. lluM. resj Ktirely btrusted to them, have transept breaks the length of tho i 1 7. 1, 1 retu' A1 on ha inrru it VteK 4 sm.L a a VaJVJ WVJ 1J UC sW I EUCll I aWn COnd UcUif i nl.awsi.tl jho xTesponacnt ox iron wntet.

under data new lorK, juiy "The present in some respects resembles the final week of December, inasmuch aa.maay tradesmen take a full inventory of stocki, balance their books, close accounts, and figure out prots and losses twice during the irom January and July 1 respectively, uusiuess lias, in consequence, be.n more or less checked, ana brought within tbe limit of actual necessity as closely aa possible. Tha excessive heat and. the approaching non.iay nave aio induced an immense exodus of city folk seeking the cool rctroats of tho country and this carries numbers of the operators temporarily beyond the reacn ot negotiations. Uhcro movements havo taken p.aoe toe Hue oi cost ditrert but little from last week, and neither buyers nor sellers havo secured any positive un i ruu vraue suere is a growing feeling of perplexity whicb.apart from the momentary influence abovd uun cuumuura greaiiy to mo dull coudition of affairs. ue aiipoaiuoa to hold slock, with greater firmness and on higher limits is moro decided and through agents constantly upon the market, and the dium of uch "bullish" articles a can by hook or by crook bo workod into tho columns of the public Pruss.

a box irom' a tireek word sicnif vii.ir h.i. iois convey ti.o impreaiou that in a certain number of com." gold and silver ui ftZ InJTS 'a ot each baUn. or "iournev weight. as tf thni.n. Indo operatorsior a rise do not hesitoto to TJ I termed at the Mint.

a. they are day by da, mauul C. fcity of before snowflies on lSomelhj inilM. tl.e uow recurrinc trial of Ttl urapiajy exhausting a not DO Caill. in riaCO tLe I'rx ws voi verv arlr tm ..,.1 si spire, io ana cne swry ior ine centre, to rise Kir tha ftimfr buttrritsp'i anr? rnd in a ernirn nf 1 Iim UIALITA HAMmAnl In ap.

IJ lli.r.,m.il f. MiM III 1 IA i 1 v.vo, mi imUill UUlUHil LU wuica moucrn science is ub.e to app i ur so mucainiioriaace was imsuiai eocti. r.m. 7 tt un times. lui tte.

bovereign bimeit occasioua: terson ivmUOie c.rtainiy not iinwurtiiy Crown at.d theimporuuoe at issue, llius ie tecorJs ol tue hia.eiucr show tnat in I6il Jw 1. ai.u ul'riuce of Wale w.re present. Again, iu iwA it bud Ctiar.es IL, ti I)uke of York, and 1'riuce Kupert atteiidiog the trial. Mauy meu of history presided at dther times Thus, for many years, Abbot, the Atcr.bisop oi Canterbury, pre. ideti.

aCou, as Chanctllor, was 1'resmect at tte trial ia llilto, and oo doubt took especiai interest in tiie rrieullurg'ical proc.saes, to' which neiiad nircseit given much aueutiou. Ia IbvM, aud in other years, Lauj, tlien I'rimate, presiued. Uutiiig tho CvuiuwuweaiUi, mlo signed tte deatb wairaut of us Uoyaiiaster, on one at tha trial of tte ouinagc, from wbicii ler a time iu lung's pron.e d.sappeareaj Prince Kupertr pies.dcd aiouo in and ooabtieM took i tete interest iu the prooeeoiugs as a prodcieat in chemistry and ouo well veised ia scieme gcneratiy. Alter tuis a accession of Chancellors aud Arehbisop; alienued always by members of tee I'rivy Council, came at interval these tiials, until recently, having (A eoe: ouy e'ery four or hvejears to represent the Sovereign power of in. State at tao trial of tbe I'yx.

In lil AicliWs op Wake presided, be Ul'ng ILC last cc.eutlCi digniuo who ever did so. After this, aud down to tne year lb.U, the Lord for the time being i as always piesided, with the eiception that in i6i the iiigut xlon. iliiaui l'ltt toyit tbe puce of Lord Tburlow. Tte Coinage Act of 1S70 introduced an annual trial of the atu under its legulations the roco diDb'i are naw conducted tafvre liw luceu's KeuieiubraBccc an aacient otncui of the hxcequer and a function ia ihus coi.linued twu.ca, ill iti autiqUarisa atd hittoncil bearings, may be. said lo of s.iupil uuicjue interest aud value.

Tbe several public ouiciais wuo assembled at Goldsmiths' hall ou Bdnccdajmoriang at lO for the purpose of conauciing ine irui were sir rreaericic 1'ouoct, iter 's Ktrmembranc.r, as l'resideut, who attended ia Lis robes usd fuk bottouied wig, and w.a accomjianied by Mr. iiauk las', Ua senior cJrri ol his ofhee tne lion. U. V. i'remintie.

C.if., Ileputy Master of tbe Mint Professor U. IXsadler iioberu, p.i;.tj., ''cLemut to the Mint and au otneer from ti liolrd ot Trade, representing the iUndard Weights and Measures lHrpartmect, wbo priucd 'the Government weights, sca.es, ana trial plates used on these occk.Mcu.. Altsr Mr. Itideaux, the cisrk of the Goidsmitlj' Com. pany, had called ov.r the names of the following gm tit men au freemen cf his company wbohad been sumaioccd to act as jurbrs ii Jehu Uray Uenry bykes 'Ihomton, ocOtge Matthey, Francis ljoone Jswn.h,.

v.eorge iaiiert, iiuara lutthey, Wiiiiata Uobitson, and Heniy l'uey the Qeeu' liuembnncer calieu upoa Mr. IlaiikiLs to read the Treasury warrant ordering the trial to take place file jurors were then sworn by bir 1'rederkk 1'oiuc, who; proceeded to address a short chargtj to item upoa tte impoitaiit duties the law placed in tteir nunas ana upon the; valuable service rtn cercd'to tte cbuutry on these occasiens bv the (iol.iiin.it CcmjKiny, ani atfo acded a tew remarks upon some of the mo.e imerestiug ibts in the last report ot tne L'eputy Master ot tbei Jlint, tefoie the jury retired to their laboratory to eomriMDce the manipulation of the contents of the l'yx. We have already spoken of tee extreme delicacy of the balances uitd ou ttese occuiots and, therefore, we shall confine our remarks to the processes used fcr ascertainiag tbe nnenes ot tie metals composing the coins taken pro la.vuously from the bulk those in tbe l'yx for the pur jose of this teWt. bevt ral' eoius of each decosainatioa of go.d ucd silver mote; having been placed in tte various scales; tu ascertain that they are within tbe legal weight, as set icrth injthe fitst scheuule of the Coinage Act, ls70, are cow melted into two ingots, uh'ich are severally assayed and cowjmreJ with the portionsof ti.o trial plates to juryVhiukTt tenant right prevaU. This BiU, therefore, separately; ahd this trial of indiviiluai exactitude a.

to tn ordinary circumstances, not affect him at all. hueaets is, as Will readily Le conceived, th. most aerrre 1 Consequently, he can speak of it with considerable, and I tna crueni ut that couid possiblj 'be applied to amanufie may say refreshing, calmness. He is like the siilor, perched rrTlwm knf l.x 'fc "ivic lilia "ra aiu ui woicn rM rnulrt hT rml.l f. gures to pieces if lie had chowrt.

Hut no eviince bad beea callod to sun tort thn fiirar although one of the ablest advocate witness was resoat in the. room at that moment, he was not to be oalleo', as far as he could learn. As to answering Mr. Smith's figures and his statement, they were not there to do any thins, and that lor obvious reasons; Mr. Michael had anJ this all bore upoa the same thing that mathematicians nse pilea of figures to raise np prospective values.

"Well, to tne water cam rani t. that nrii.vi t' 3Iiehael had thesa piles of figures showing prospective values presented te him on th 't mstleians, but he would.leave it to thoss who had studied thecasotosay it wonld him not to have used those figures. He remembered sons lime ago a yery aDie calculator indeol, Mr. Hope Scott, was taking evidence with resard to a railway oome figures were preentol to him in the eouro ot bis examin.tion of the witness, and he wanted to make use of them but andrfAni he saw whe ho was going to, and ho tried to droD the ngurts. lie air b.

ckett). however, also saw where he was going, and made him on with th liim, beinc that Mr. HoneSeott tlon of his own ease. Mr. Michael h.l He had examined his fiirure.

Pa the resumption, of the tearing of this petitioa os Saturday moraing. befor Justice Lush and Masisty, tha court was densely crowded, as it had leaked out during th mornfng that at a consultation of the member, with couasel on Friday eviirS it tad leea dcek'ed to eiU no witnesses for tie defence, and to submit to juilgmcit. Tbe Right Hon. J. G.

Dodsoh and the Hon. Eeilby took seats cn tks bench behind counsel. Counsel ia to be Though Mr. Michael repudiated the view "8 petitioners, Mr. of Mr.

ltkhirdoti.iheLuiaco.ijaror of his own, ard hid )Ir 1 Kins, and Mr. Kennedy for Mr. Dodsoa, Mr. Made a little discovery vir th 5 companies were not Day, Q.C., and Mr. Liron and for Mr: Law lev Mr tntrstioa.br which the knH quired by the Metropolitan Board of Work, was that thosa who for years hal got nothing at last got.

something. Teat was Mr. Iliehardfoa owa rrecisnt. anrf it at once of bis contention that prosaeetiTa ralrn, nnt instead of Uking thera out of the hands of some sucestor' which trua iha ntntl r4 tuinF an innmntj mum Mr. Michael 11 had the calculations, but he had madj no use of them, fio far as ho (Sir E.

Beckett) could sjc, havinir read his sixveh. hn Ai phrase." tackle" MrV bmi'th figure, a't all. He madeS eoniplimentary to Mr. Smith, but did cot go into the figures. Of course, it was easy to call onma incompetent, ana to speak of his.

ignorance, and sort of thing; but he would put it to ihojWohad Mr. that neara air. nmiins eviaenoj th.t dal with a witness of this kind. had further to remark as a reason wby he had not called pviMn w. City of Loadqu nor the Metropolitan Dosrd had brought a single complaint oa that most interest ing point tho ehairnua had called attention to namely, as to incrcasj of watjr rates or rents.

uo uw eimiiw to nau oi complaints on this subject although ho had not anticipated discovering, a. he had done the other day, that the Metropolitan Hr.t h.A i lacards the Trw wara houie. loa. 36.171 6.190 7.UT ToUL Toas. lHIM 109.4CO sive lwson, and be led into ooerations bovond actual w.nt uuui wcii assurea toai aanger oi a sudden unloading from first bands his passed.

As an evidence of the amounts available the foliowiug fcgures may be accepted as giving a very close approximation to the accumulation of foreign iron, this ort on the 1st inst. Tbe eompilatiea is made largely from official aia ana will bo published for the first time in this country to day (3d), btocks at Sew juiy in bon.l4 warebuUM. Tons. HUM Scrap and old rails Jmurais iXHi Btl ra.U 17,861 An estimate of tte stock at Baltimore places the amount, at H.OOO ton pig iron 7,000 tons old rails, and 1,000 tons wrought scrap. At all other points of importation tre aceumulatien is proportionsUIy as full as here, and at 1'hiiaiieiDllia not onlv bar'i, prtatlv incpMiMl K.

bouw facilities teen taten up, but importers liave uii are (juauiuie. or iron as a matter of neccsMty ana to. a it in store to await a rise. The general weight of iron appears a trine too heavy for any great rise. At the mom.nt tne asking rates oh Am.riean 1 range from 25 up to .7, but actual sale, of outside Iota under presur.

have in one or two cases been made at lower ngures. Scotei pig has sold quite slowly and moderately, and the price is a trifle doubtful but with recent smaller arrivals holders just make a showing of firmness at to J21 for Egiinton, til 60c. to tor Glengarnock, $2J to for Coitness, $tlS0c. to $12 for UarUherrie, and Wc to 5c. for.

auminerlee. Knglisb pig has lea rather mor. sought after at 19 to in bona a price at which buyers could use quite an amount to advantage but bankers vrbo control atxut.all tbe supply hsve ideas 250c to per ton higt er, and this wide dim rence kills business. Ssreial thousand tons of scrap have lately been sold here' at Jf 'oC'c. toi23iOc.

ex ship, and 524 to $25 from yard. ana the teeiing is now some what, firmer. Old rails have met with coraj arative and w.re quite easy in tone at, say, to $23 fiCc. for T's and $24 for double iicads. Ksils croi, about tons English steel sold at a fraction under 00.

Heavy negotiations are in progress for next year' delivery, but operators are very reticent, and parti, eulars cannet it y.t be obtained. Copper has not found a very free market and r.atains under control, and is firmly held at to JUje. for lake, with careful offerings. Tiu has found very little demand from legitimate sources, and trying to get them np, that tbey had been putting placi in bikers shop windows invitin? enmnlaint. I i i a I "utui lua result iud been, as far as he kaew.

no response except from one milkman. (Laughter.) It was not the fault of the Metropolitsn Board, therefore, that no evidence had bjeu given on this subject of water rate or rests. There was a great conjuror who was to set Mr. Smith's figures riztt none other than Mr Stonehira. He had been of as the gentleman who had only to speak the word and Mr.

Smith must fall. They would seetLal he (Sir E. Beckett) had no reason to call witnesses to contradict him. He was going t) adopt him. (Laughter.) He quite admitted that if this were an arbitration it would be necessary forhimtocall witnesses, becauw he should then be going ia for provia' a very much higher de than the case nude for the water companies by the agreements.

The agreements were a compromise a bargain. Let them be treed from osa agreement, as, ia fsct, they would be set free in a month cr so and the only possible, alternative, if anything was to be done, would be au arbitration, and then.of course, they would call leir witnesres, and plenty of them, and they woVd make a very much higher casa than thev.had u.ntl i the compromise of thess Uut for the vary reason taat they would have to call and value um unatninnji aown to tne smallest item of detail entitled to any biek dividends beyond the tims when they incorporated the ceneral Act. skid that, hit fnr Acts of 1317 and lc.32. fcey might divi Jt ererythin; in the shape of profit.bu: eoarts of law did not take away people's rights and profits by vsgoe inferences suea as he had put before them. Tbe learned gentleman had put it an thougiv the right fto back dividends did exist before 15., but, as a matter of fact, hod existeI long before that.

Mr. Michael. My contention is lUt there could be no back dividend betore 1S47, the dividend that accrued under eich particular year, li you earned 5d per cent, you.could isir E. Beckett sail that no right had been taken away. Unless Jlr.

Michael could show noma grounds for tie suggestioa it must be looked upon as nonsense. ant V. V. HancoCRr. I understand you to contend tht.

takinc a company a. ancient as the Xew liirer Com pany, the limitation: of 10 per cent. i. practically nii Sir E. Beckett.

Ye. ray argument is that if you caa go beyond two centuries there is no limitation. Ho continued that it was no usi talking about being uareason able, a rariUtnent was the authority to cure any harJ ahips or grievances. His learned friend tnat if a rrTTe fund ha i been form there could be no power to claim back dividends. As a matter ef fact, only one company had formed a reerre but to say that because the Act said they should farm a reserve when tbey had paid up all back dividend, 'therefore the fact of forming a reserve fond anyhow.

legally or Illegally, prerented them from claimiag back dividends wa. riiicuiou. and bad logic Did they supjose that Mr. Smith had not all these facta before him. atd had not taken legal advice npon them Hon.

members might shake heads. SIR W. V. Hakoockt. 1 do not think Mr.

Smith says he took legal advice. Sir E. Beckett. Oh, yes, he do. Sir.

W. V. Habcourt. I hardly think you can have taken ths trouble to read the eridetce. lr E.

Beckett. Indeed, I have. Mr. Smith says he has had legal ad rice. Sir V.

V. UARCoirr.T. Go on. I expect you will treat with respect. Take your own course.

Sir E. Beckett. Yes, I wilL The learned coutsel went on to refer to the case of Jir. rhil brick. Herd it was cou ten'll that the market price was the solution of the thing.

That 'was a fair eneuzh argument ta 'iscj against the mau who wantel to sIt, and to any one aUy, Q.C., and the Hoc Chaodos Leigh. Mr. Marrnrwa. After what fell from your LordrUp last night, I it not intend to go into any further eWdette as ta aay corrupt practices whatever bat all tte erileac I shall now call will hi to prove agency on the part oi the gentlemen whose names have been already mentioned. Mr.

Dir. As I gather from my friend's observation a. from tbe statements which he his jast now cud to your Lordship, the whole ease' for the pe titi.aer.as for a. re ardi the alleged acts of impropriety during the late election, fcas been extaasted. I may now interpose.without impropriety, on behalf of my client.

Mr. Dodsan. While it oiuLt ui suggetel that interposition oa behalf of Mr. Itobon aa effort on his part to prevent th mess thorough and tte roost searching investigation, I felt, nnder his nutructicn that it would he wrong on my patt to interpoe or to make any statement whica might Iwve the semblance eveu wishing to prevent the most full i ..111 AOeoroAiiee witn tn taTamble practice of Parliament they topped these witnesses mouttn now. Mr.

Smith, in the coureof his endcEoc, hd aid that he could not show his "iiv smiks un, it uiiu pre ua cc mm in rntnr ana lor a Bimilar rtauoo thr mm.Hlaa nnt ah Kai ISanst tiations, 17 a rn 14 Biro mem Taiuaoie reuiu, out he would not show his hand as to When he said the water companies had not thought it necessary to cjll it might be asked. 1 hen why are you here at all His answer was a very simple, one: Ot course we are not going to sit still and remain silent while we are being abused as we have been." They had been rery patient for He did not know that they had openea their mouths anywhere but the time had Cutte when they must answer some of thccomplaints urgeo against tnera snd dissipate a great deal of the non go. round the corner to tbo brokers' and I can get the stock 41 iuc wunci, iui uiexu arguoicuis wcro worm nothing if the min who had the property did njt wishto What Wis the bse of telling him about the market rrice when he sa to them, I want to keep what I have am perfectly satisfied with the projpects Therefore, the market price argument in existing circumstances was worth nothing. As to the question of certainty of income, he admitted tnat tKtro was oa. this point a proper argu rat ot, and that it was worth a good deal here; but it was' ortn aotninr in an arbitration, it was onlr worth people chose to value it at.

A company say, "You tell me I have a precarioua ia ell, tbe increase" of London is precarious may be a revolution there may be no in of water rents at all." He rcmpmWnl Iliackeray spcaxing of a man a prothet who proptesitd that the world mas coming to an eod next 'year, but nevertheless he went on cultivating his ciictiDbm. Th companies might bo ruined, there might be a suspension of rates, there might be a revolution; but.they were prepared to cultivate their cucumbers. In all these transaction, two invariable rules held i. one was that no sellers' legal income was ever reduced by compulsion, and the other was that no market price was ever reduced by compulsion. They might go as much bejond these things as any arbitrator or jury wished, but no arbitrator or jury or Tarliamentary committee that be ever heard of had ever broken those rule lr iic jeujcinoereu uio time, in.

J.co?, wnen the Uill was brought in for tho purchase of the telegraphs. A great deal was talked about market price. The two big compaaic. which were pacing 10 per cent, were at 104; and when it might come, there crease ti.e market was ruled alssost by tbe speculative interest, itis nas moved with considerable caution and appears to be somewhat nonplusted by the course your Mjnuon marxet, Mocts, however, are pretty nell controllrl, we write, hold steadily at about 18ie. for straits, 18c.

to I8Jc, for Australian, to Jiigt. iw 1'iuiiuu, iojc. to ior u. auu and 18fc. to 18ie.

lor English refined. Plates have been dull, but held with greater firmness, and valued at about 36 Me. for bright charcoal, 5560c. to fcTJc for ditto ternea, $5 12jc. to for coko tins, aua to $5 ISJc.

for ditto ternea." THE COMPENSATION FUR DISTURBANCE BILL. I TO THE EDITOIt OF THE TIMES. Sir, In a letter from Lord Tortsmouth in The Timet of 1 to day he speaks, as an Irish landlord, in favour of Mr. 'Forster Bill. I should like, with your leave; to examine for a moment what this authority is worth.

His lordship. Irish is in Wexford, its extent is 1,039 acres, and on they were asked what they wanted, theu their answer was. i wans noir.mg. neaon want the agreements con to take tbo chances of tho UhenLe talked, about the nonsense written and spoken against the companie. he thoarht it hi.

seeing that Mr. Smith wai their adrersary, and not their advocate, to show that they had not succeeded in taking in Mr. Michael bad called him. Mr. Smith tad them that he had studied this questiou wes a child tbis, he was the largest coal oi water suppiy from the time he for roasoas cf his own.

More than a mining engineer, be h.d Mrfnamo ageccits, he was a geolodst. he had IA failures paisis. In i ti.e are fr.g:neoni tne rM. rcei.tace oi lanures is alio ra.e, ia ionor7 AVrnarkable feature of uY. U7 contemplate, hi.

shipmate. iLii.t on tfe numojr of eaKdidat 'SZl out of i bajihazard from severai hundieds iu the l'yx. Tt.e standard toe boiling surf, and says, It is good for me ef tar scirr.ee eiasaea sueness of gold cuin. is 11 laths fine goio and 142th alloy, t0 we." But there is oue question which I should be red racers of the institute have presented milirsiniai tiiietiesi JUG tb jurts of a thousand. Tbo glad if he would answer.

Suppose tbe anti rent aritator. i :te.uiu of iron private, tuy This standard w.ighl of a half soyercigu is grain. the order his tenants iot to pay rent at all and enforce tl.ir i sctu.v i far a it iudio.u oa Un5 rnrt of the r.mdr. or. miririn iu neiirht aunwt it.

1 "i eniorce ir.ir a i' a fi icsire to tunirH for the sak of aso r. 1 1.1 xr nf th ir own knowktij ar.d the iinf t'otur tt iUu r'w4. In the caa aii rve tbe ordinary science class r. j. v.hnhr th may not have bop in v' r.t'th' rfiS'lv.

for cxarnicati'm for the sake era its T.tjc li tteir r. c.ivi. th re t.i but in th'. of ondi rtsr by lin.msvi'wa th recinbeno tlrf is valued fcr its owi: sake. Lirri.avv thfr 'otf.

According to tho of the Unlw rsity Trens. Oxford, y' tc i t.i,. tbe Iit for them a Northern liurf.ture of the arjl ril it i MttL if a ufful "eral. hb sry cf tiocks varyiag authority with r.ik r1 "tbo diStrtnt school of Xoioe tortrv i erto bte.a obliged to rovide themelvec. In one rr th Kte: lce.aniie"ourt poetry alwav.

re for it form, aid taluablr for the faca it.furaisha. wa Rial "have the far' more rt icteTrtii rscrtd, smatic. ard j.ie i fc im r.ich Vifgfisson betieve jea in tlw liritish Islesi, as as tbe rt utc verse r.f Peandinsvian mother and such rif the later melis.vl look poetry tl erlatrir age. Me.r. cmillan ar.d i ery fccrtiy a biogrnj by of Ktunne Dolct, tbe jet, and printer of Ljons, who was burnt as an tu iwt.

J. A a Librsrv. is abo jt to pal. ht lih ary relating to Great Britain and Ireland, i. ue iih erst Ciasiirxru calanpue jet or Xn 1 '7 of lv ki In nut niol liK rv Tl il 12s 7" tat that, a congiesof Polish historia: will 7k sfracow on the lyth inst.

on the occasion of the of thadesth of tte famius onralift ilwr. Miiller and of Amterdara, as in ream of publication th? account of the lCli in the interisr of Sumatra of tbe ex Jt0'. ticb was undertsken in 187T 1 under thi the Geograpricsl hod ty. Mr. Alfre.1 s'T snd completirg his important papers cn i ie of coloratiou ia ntture, and its applicability etijre, which he read lefore the Anthropological ao the Boy a I Institute of British Architects this Tte KuuitJi Government froposrs to found an vV op al iem'tute in Greeo.

Meanwbile it hs sent llft. lit J. 1 1 I oj jiai. i rninui ana jjitTFCcew on a manufacture, is 10WX) grains, and the remedv allow Ju the same way on its millesimal Xneness is 2 and each separate coin so elected, of whatsoever dtnomi nation of go'idj br. silver, must come out in this searching crural, within tic iik.

exceedingly small remedies, in pro 'rtioa to tl.tir value. Of late vt ars the Verdicts at t)ieu Iriili roost extraordiiiary exactitude in the carrying out of the ne Talu. of the tenant right, equal oa many properties to bighly imponant and, difficult functions ut preparing the nior. than the fee simple of the estate. Any one who i.

ieU.s fur coining at the Boyal Mint. It is no s.ight knows Ireland will tell him that his other powers of re credit to those upon whom this duty ta devolved covering his rent, which have teen insisted upon by Enclish i i. i i iu i.ujr, cuna bj, ncu iu ut unu iuY. taat jivue vi eumraens. are practicaiiv niL edict by a few cases of brutaily beating, carding, and scorching the caked bolirs of any of his honest tenants who may pay their rents (if he has read tha Irish papers lately te win know that I am not stating an unlikely case), how will his lordship obtain hi.

rent I He cannot evictfor he would have to psy 1 eavy compensation, and besides that ns, who was burnt as an 1 nts of the Bank of England consequently, the coinag An ierson, cf the British i of 'K0'" bas been somenlat Ulow the at erage, amountiu lnh, Mewrs W. i to 1.4, 185,102, out of which sovereigns and 745 hall r1 to Athens, tt.e fint named for four months and the years. Telegram. A correspondent Colocel fiynge was captured by brigands ejoia, a telegram appeared in several Leglish and J.arl lIn announcing the capture of Colonel rrigands. Uolonel 2ynge is un I believe ordel irarsmisaicn, neeame et sa ine hi" intensified and au English illustraUd penny tjTir lt 'ayed colonel aud tha colonel, wife aui hj tha loLUr.baai." tad no companion in his captivity a v.

ia jmksi vsu I US taiii ij a ucuci ti 4. ct from Constantinople was wbrde 'X SJ sa ferme enlcv par brigands transmisaicn, became et sa femme.1 Th no a'lvcrw) lyx verdict is found to to recorded since' tbe year 1C20, when tie following words, were apj eiidrd by tha jurors to their verdict Except for ye fine gold ot ye jbrst I'ix to feeble by 0 graints ia tLe'pound waifht th.n itiought to be, and yo rtason whertof we conclave to te! ior that ye same paiccll was of soe little fjuautitie that) 'we could net soe exactlye; make triall ti.it'if." And these; words, after convey in them elves only theivery sort of as uny one at all contcrtant with subject will at once see. There 'has ifn a continued absence of. demand for gold cuin during the ist year ended the 30th cf Jute owing to tte depression of tiaile duiing the greater portion of tbe jear, which hud its natural effect upon the requirements cf the country and the gold coin in. circulation, with a sm.ii amount imrorted from Australia, and the quantity mdei at ths Miut, was sufficient to meet the So amountiug 745 lia 1 aoveicigna were rltced iu the I'vi.

The amount of coined "jthintbejear has been of about an average value bf which, in various denomiBaliots of coir.s, 120112s. weic placed in the Tyx for the purposes of this IIUU a year giw by without' some scientific facts being elucidated ani brought to bear upon the work of bis department by Professor Itoberts, tbe able chemist to the Mint. Xot the least interesting is on. J.e Iim been working at recently (with a view to introducing a speedy aud effectual mode ef detecting base or light coin by means cf electricity. It ears equal and similar volumes of various nutals and alloys hi.ve each a different effect on au electric current jfiowing round a coil of wire.

As might bein in two coils connected by a wire their balance may be set by putting a bit of metal in one of the coils, and a telephone canasily le made to indicate the disturbance thus created by intruder. But if an exact duplicate of tbe piece of metal be put into tbe other coil ths balance of tbe currents will be restored and the tell tale telephone silenced. Tbe practical application of this experiment in i connexion with coin testing is plsin and simple. Lei i newly minte.1 sovereign be aHray. kept at hat.d for teeting purpose.

If this is placed within one of tbe eoils and the tl.en, is he to do! There is but one. answers he must ao without it. I his may be a small matter to th noble lord, but to many it may be ruin. I can speak with some knowledge, for 1 have upwards of 20,000 acres in one county under the Ulster custom, and the same quantity in another county where it doe. not prevail.

Lord Portsmouth siys, It is wie to prevent a person tsking a lighted cigur into a room with an open barrel of powder." This appears to me to be an absolutely correct definition of the conduct of a Government which, in the presence of a widespread and powerful anti rent organiia iiou wiiicu ii. Birrauj rtsuuea in many nor Die murder, and outrages, prsctically tell, the IrUh tenant, We will endeavour to p.f. a law which shall absolve you from paying rent." Your obedient servant, July 15. AN ULSTER LANDLORD. TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES.

Sir, A Liberal M.P." inhis letter to you proposes, as a compromise, that the scheduled districts tbe County. Court should have the power to suspend for non jay meet of rent for the next IS months. He base. hi. proposal on the proposition that in cases of great emer gency the State has often susjeuded the ordinary laws of contract and should do so now.

But neither he nor the Government pr.pose to suspend the right of mortgagees to foreclose when by the act of God a landlord gets no rent and cannot meet hi. oblira tiocs. It bas been said that this is no hardship, as the Bill would only apply to such tenants as could not possibly pay, and that, would be ruined in any case. But this is not so. As 'the law stands at present, a landlord would have littl.

difficulty in obtaining temporary advance, if he could cot get enough from his tenants to meet Ms rr.ort rates. But the proposed legislation has so ffichtened capital, that no sar.e man of business would lend a farthing on a security which is unssleasle. That it is unsaleable I had a remarkable, proof a few days ago. On' the Vd inst. I had a small property for sale in tbe Land Court in Dublin.

It is not in a scheduled district, and been co distress or disturbance ia the neighbourhood. The land is very good the rents sir ar.d well paid. jJiwiuiMi wi we tjuiirjvn icsuiute, he wa. surveyor to tho Ecchsiasticsl C'ommissioaers, and ha was in latter capacity acquainted with every county ia Enjland and the sources of water supply. This gentleman had been studying this question for a long tiraa after office hour.

he had gone into the geology of the question, into uw.u..uuo, un vuc quality oi tne water and other sanitary matters, into te history of ths Middlesbrough and Stockton cases and any one who had heard his evidence, if he had had a Parliamentary experience such as he (Sir K. Beckett) had had, would, he was sure concur with him in saving that had never been an exhibition of auch masterly calculation in any of thos rooms for 36 years. He hud heard the late Mr. Bidder, who was a famous calculator, deal with figures, but hehadn ver seen any calculation with tho pelicy and reason for the cal culation so aumiraoijr given a. those they had had from Mr Smith.

He could understand pxple smiling at them and not liking Mr. Smith's calculations, but he doubted whether the' majority of the pacplo who heard them er who read his evidence understood the mtter properly. He doubted whether even now there were 100 people in London outside those who were obliged to attend to this mattfr who rtally understood the bsrgaia which had been entered into ith the companies. For he confessd that until he was obliged to he had not uniirtnn.i a himself been taken in for while. He thought the time had come when tbey should try to correct the nrevailin i iuuiu, nriiim io jmc i imr had said in these days public opinion 1 ecame bard n.l that it was almost impossible to soften and unst He tried to soften and unset it with his letter, but every cne kuew that did not succeed.

The time had at length como when tbe comi anies should try to st public or inion right, although he dared say tbat, like that of Mr. Smith, the effort would be unsuccessful. The flrure. put before them were finncil conjuring, and nothing clsanJ any oue who had adapted to this sort of conjuring could have made out. not only thesa figures, but moro enormous 1 ones by the same process of calculation.

One of the outcries wns that they were going to turn tho shars capital tun ce uijiaiiio. nwcu iu i.v,vw,jw, into i That wa's a good cry for the newru.pcrs which always wantetl something sensational 'What it mean! Nothing, becaosu Mr. Philtrick, Mr. Michael, and Mr. i ltichardsou all admitted that their income guaranteed.

i 1 cen.t,,1 p2r or the' P'Sht Ft it down at 3' per it signify whether they! did or hot 1 cent, like Consols. Or tbey might guarantee it in some nuti.irig. What was tne use of loweri li I i benk security. If they adopted ontseI 'What had to be considereil llWUi at UQ IIUU UII laiV snsitcteo coin inserted within the otter, one of two thing. It consists of two farms oS and 22 per annum let to 1 I 3 epuono win cease to good tenants cn leae of about ten years to run, and a sreak if th.

last inserted eoln is ncrfe tlr nrrpt weight and ftneaeas, and therefore good, er it will continue to sound, in which case it it clear the coin cannot be in composition and weight the same as the test coin, at it pro ind incapable of bals njing it as a distnrb.r of the pay. There was not one single bid. A few years ago ndartfon currents. How far thia incuiiona nmntm mr 1 u. vi 1 frt 1.

f. I 1'iuiMuii ikib aa ymviiwop wo mmam eueturo ior general use remains to be seen but coastguard station let to the Government, lease 36 years to run, at 62 per snaum. Tl e' head r.ut is ZG, and tithe rent charge 10. Tr.e net income 100 per snaum, cf ahicb t2 is tte same as Consols a Government promise to ud. A lew years aco I 1 rot ZZ or la rears purchase July 15, Your obedient servant.

IL Consols as a euide.it would give a final fxcre of r.rr narlr 3d millions, or wtat would bo cilld 60 years' purchase and if thry turned it into a higher stock it'would come out a great deal less. Therefore, he wished the public to understand that all the tilk and all the spsectes aud all the articles that had been written in the newgfapers about having given an enormous number of yesrs' purchase as the present value was simply nonsense. They, meant nothing. Every word that tad been said in that room and out of it as to the number of years' purchase to be given for the present value hid nothing on to do with the subject, and really tha only question was this Adopting Mr. Stoneham's figure, of a year, present income, up to last June, ought they to have or ouht they not to have JLl.O.OOO 13 years hence If all those writers and orators had condescended to inform themselves on this point a few months ago, he would not say that they would have saved themselves trouble, because thev lived to do these things, but, at any rate, ibey would have felt that they were exaggerating very much.

Those two conjurors, Mr. Michael and Mr. Richardson, thought they ought to get the companies for np increase. Mr. Michael.

I never said so. Sir E. Beckett. No, but Mr. Richardson did, and he gave the reasons wby tfcey were not entitled to an increase, and when qurftioned oa tbe matter, ha said he should have bo shamed of himself if he could not have done better than Mr.

Smith. Well, he would have aa opportunity. Whether he would or not he could not tell at present, as that belonged to tbe future but if he tried his hand he would certainly have to learn one or two elementary lessons Erst. Sir W. ILtBCorKT.

I think you would like to address yourself to the point ia our mind. It may be, you know, that before you give a certain number of years' purchase you purchase not only the preasnt income; but the future expectations, for instance, if you buv a Dlot of land at 30 years or 35 years' purchase, jou purchase, not only tbe income it at present yields, but its urcwrvtiva inm auu wueu tuu give eci ikiu value tor may in riving a capital sum future income. the ease for the petition exhausted. 1 may'without blame it 5 inquiry to a termination. I may be allowed to state to your Lordship the position of Sir.

lodsoa and the course he prvposea to take. Mr. Dodoti ha. sat bow, as your Lordship, are aware, for many veara for the city of Chester. When he became a wndi.tate frit 1 his election he found that a larre and i tion had been established, known as the Chester Liberal Association.

r. C3TICE Lcsn. Do you mean established recently Mr. D.r. It had.

been established, I think, my Lord, within the last few years. Mr. WanDr. In 1379. Mr.

Dar. It was established, I sra informed, in the early part of but without any reference to the eaudi datura of Mr. Dodson. Mr. Jcstick Lcsa.

That association did not exist before Mr. DAV. Not before tha early part of 1879. It was established on the same basis aa many other associations throughout the country since the establishment of the well known association ia Birmingham. It was not in any way connected with the candidature of Mr.

Dodson, but wa. for the purpose of organizing aad enrolling within its rank, all the Liberal voters of the city. It comprised among its members a very large majority of the Liberal, of the borough, and, in faettbe number of its members is wanting to sell and asking toe high a price it would be very Mr Jrvnrr fr air" i.i i i easy to aay, I will not give it you, because I haveonlS Unf1 Mr. DaT. Ye.

it wa. intended to ineluda among its members every Liberal voter in the borough. As to thi. aasociation, I ought to say that its object, were of tha most legitimate and proper character, and no parson could uspect from the mere scheme of the organization that tber. should be contemplated by it any practice of as illegitimate character.

But Mr. Dodson was very properly warned when he came down to Chaster that it was absolutely essential that he should not connect himself witn any body of so extensive a character. Yoor Lordship, may wed imagine the peril in which he would be placed if the members of so large an association as this were to be taken as being the agent, of his candidature. The assist' ane pf thia important body it would, however, have been impossible for him to refuse. Tods is would have been to refuse tbe assistance of the treat bulk of the Lihrta the borough.

It was necessary, therefore, for him to accept their assistance, and, within certain to avail himaalf of their help and their advice. But te determined, on hi. own part, to make a personal canvass of the borough, and a personal canvass he did make. The chairman pf his com mittee ws Mr. Salisbury, a gentleman of character, a gentleman of position Mr.

Jcsricz LuaiL He had a committee cf his own. had be! Mr. Dit. Yes, my Lord. And a gentleman against whom no whisper of the suspicion of misconduct ha.

been suggested in the course of this inquiry. But in the courso of thi. contest, owing, unfortunately, to circumstance entirely beyond the control of Mr. Salisbury, the committee, the candidate, or any ot his agents, the candidate became so entangled with the oranixation of the Liberal Association that 1 feel, and my friend, Mr. Biron, concur with me, that it would be impossible to deny that certain persons connected with the Liberal Association did, ia point of law, became so associated with the candidate aa to make him responsible for their acts.

I have caret' uuy considered the evidence oa this point, and I fee! that I ought aot to hesitate in admitting that members of this ass ciatiDn, entirely beyond the control of my dienr, and over waom Mr. Salisbury and tie Liberal committee could exercise no control, did, by virtua of their position as members of that organization, become, in point of law. agents for Sir. Dodson. Mr.

JcsTicr Lcaii said a charge hsd been made against person, who were not members of the association. Mr. Day. I have been informed by my friend Mr. Waddy as to Mr.

Salisbury that he is not a member of tbe association. Mr. Jc rnci Mamstt. Mmt wtla it iht t.t;. bury was the chairman of Mr.

Do ison'a committee I Jir. ADor. xes.myJ.ord. Mr. Dir.

I have stated that some members of the association became in point of law agents for tho emdidatcs. It 1. not necessary for me to nana thewe persons except in one instance in that of Charles Hibbeft. who early ia tl.it case was named as having receiv undue payment. On the first day of this inquiry evidence wat given of payments to outvoters, which in poiutof law I am bounl to admit were illegal and unjnsticabie.

am tot in a pmituju to dispute the facts given in evidence upoa that subject, neither am I in a position to deny the ageacy of or.e or t.ie persons imp.icated in the transaction imeiy.Mr.Itibbert. Mr. Hibfcert acted, no doubt, ur.dsr misapprehension, lie was not aware, anl did not refect, that payment in respect of time lost by an outvoter or compensation for auy pecuniary loss sustained by him was ntt an act that wis legal or legitimate. I admit that that was a corrupt practice, but it is bribery, if I niav so term it. of a minor eWet and unaccompanied by that moral guilt which attaches to bribery of another description.

Mr. JrsncK Lraa. It is bribery in point of law. Mr. Dar.

I did not put it aa any legal excuse in any way. Mr. csncE Ltrsii. It is only in the sense in wcieh yoa put it that the offence arose from a want of knowledge or resection tbat tho person would not be morally guilty, but at the same time he is guilty in point cf law. Mr.

Day. VJuite so, my Lord. have already told your Lordship that this case wa. established oa the first day and having regard to the strict instructions which tad been imposed upon me by my client, who, I caa aasure your Lordships, fee a very great anxhty to have his character clearly place. I before the public, I should have been glad if be could haie felt juaticed, ia putting an oral to this inveitigation, and no loug'er resisting tbe prayer of the petitioner's.

I may aay my Cliene would not allow mo to tske that course. It wa. due to his own character, to his public position, ami to the constituency who have honoured him with their confidence for so many years, to show that he wished net to avoid the mol full and complete investigation, so tbat it rnnlrl suggested that he wishel to Uke any course that noutd tend to suppress any impropriety or irregul ritv of proceeding ia the matter of hi. conduct with constituency. He felt it to be a puhtic duty whica be owed to himself as well to his constituency, that the matter should be gone into, that there should bej thorough investigation, sa that the public should taat they desired nut kj screen any misconduct, even if it we 01 most grievous cn.iracttr.

Everything ras been suggested by the petitioners that could be in onl to supp their case. Every av.ihtle witness has tern cai'td, every fact ttat could be ad inee 1 has been brought firna'rd. I n.y now say that th? time has arrived this inquiry will, as far as my client is coBcerneJ. cosie to a c'ow. Mr.

Dodscn feels that what te owes to his own character and what is due to tie constituency has en clearly placed before the Court, and the whole responsibility of the coure ti 1 rests upen rre. i tave refuse ax.ow ajvvvu contest tun eae further upon uUvM.u,uUSrrmj interest. lit as ie is. concerned, no further inrestigaticn or inquiry shall be cams Kirn III a I any one to say that the work, of the com panie, were in a tandidaU. IXtZ sense mat Bad neen said and rittn on m.

Vl icaao i uu, mat lijero was a proposal 10 purcnaae them the llt9 a7. stock rose to HO. The market price might be below he real value. If would remind the committee of thecase of one telegraph company whieh had. only been working a month and bad only spent 125,000.

The amount paid for that wa. 050,000 oa account of future prospects. And now as to competition; In 1876 there were five scheme, for supplying London aith water, and'the cbeapsst of them, it was stated, would cost independent of the amount ncccaiary to buy up tbe pipes and reservoirs of the existing companies. (Suppose there were the slightest possibility of bringing in that supply would it be re eonable to piiy that amount when. ccordin toMr.KieharJson's idea.

it was only 3,030,000 inexcef.of thuamotint at 'which the future prospects of tho companies were valued the total being This was another specimen pf Mr. Kichardsoa's conjuring. He did not think it worth while to go the question of sinking into the chalk for water, lie had under his eye the five schemes submitted to the committer, and not one of them proceeded upon the assumption that water for London euuld be got by "any independent sinking in tbe chalk. Mr. Smith had said that there were heap, of, difficulties in the way of competitionscompetitions physical, engineering, financial, and Parliamentary and besides, these some difficulties on the score of jestice.

For year, last Parliament had not sanctioned competing companies, or permitted corporations to compete with companies in gas' end water schemes. Moreover, they had declared against competition in every w.y. Tho result of Mr. Card well's I interference in this matter of competition had been this I the strong declaration about the propriety of competition and so on ia the abstract had resulted in the issue of I 3,430,000 of gas cspital at 10 fcr aad probably more under tbe sliding scale, and every bit ef it, if the Metropolitan! Board haa been quiet, would have en earning only 7 percent. Then, by ttbe Act.

of IS5S, the Metropolitan Bocrd were expressly prohibited from doing things which tbey were constantly trying to do. They could get water from chalk to morrow, but "they were prohibited frora selling it. They could ilo it neither directly nor indirectly. Ujmpetition was, in short, impracticable, as Mr. Smith had said: but thy had another arrow in their quiver.

They said the purchase (of tbe companies would stop all in I crease of Well, ha denied that there had" been any arbitrary increase over: any jart of London, although no doult tuera had born some increase. Meter rents had in creased far more than the net water rents, as the following figurm would show In 1871 the waicr rents were and the mettr rents aad in.lSTy the former were ar.d the latter 221,116. If they subtracted the water rents of 1371 from those cf 1S7! they would find tbathrre wat a difference of. 33 per whereas the difference in the meter rents was 47. for some reason, whiehj he did not pretend to define, the amount paid for meters had increased far more than the amonut paid for rent.

It was not said that they tad increased their charge for water sold by meter, and if that shim it seemed to him there was an unreasonable outcry about the incrcaser iccrcase in respect not merely of trade water, but of house water. Jt saiu, 11 tne metropolitan authorities W11 In 1 If th.a i Ihey mighw gi.aranteo it at 8 per 5 per onderfakings they will not raise your rents. But what did They might charge wering or raising rates on rail was thi vaini nf fV.n thing to the seller, and' thev 1'the wl had jt could do what jtSey liked with it. Aa to the character ot tne wter suppled, wbo, te asked! had made the aoames ana me la wtat they were them rthea tbe companies "first from 'those sources the ter was man 11 wa. now.

one objectoL London then wk. nathinj: like tha water closeted town it was now. Parliament hat said, London wants bette water' snd luckily the companies had been able to give it, and though a slightly increased rata was charred a bettcrarticie was supplied. The learned couasel pointed tha Kirer of Cons rratbrs were psid a year by the watr companies, and that since lfCl the compaaie. had paidi 2, fcr unproSUble improvements, besides half a million on profitable improvements.

Having referred to the Birminzha eat, ha drAl Who had dirtied took supplies a creat ueal purer tu points ea.1 state, nd that the great advantage of an lMUuy of thi kin I was this tha committee were not arbitrators. They were there to consider whether a bad bargain had been made, as was alleged, and the advantage of having, great raary comp.nii. betore them was that shook themselves right Average, could; be :Kb.l' JT." re1 Btc" Sin was tion, evtrybody mt feel that the ite.WJnXZZS weroguarauteca tneir present income the liberal Dirtv have do ean 1 for alLtime and a probable increase of incorae, the amount i orto feelmced bv the eWtiol r. wnTLl being defined from' the experience of the past Mr. Smith citTinApst e'ett'3 took place in their who.it most be borne in mind, was' not the advocate of th i 11, tv.nnr't water companies, but their adversary it must in lustier to i 'rSZ.

a' 1 FPaf Having regard to the size cf tt const it ir.ey, the heied" political excitement under which 'the last contest "in I IOC6nt na ice great poatical strcap which on that occasion took place throughout the 'country and wsthoot nakirg any allowance for misapprehension and misconduct, extravagance, of stitement or exaar ra who, it mnst be borne in mind, was' not the advocate of the him be said, had never deeland that Le not procerded tpoa part experier.ee. Xcbdy but a lunatic ever diJ nnvwi cn other than past experience, knnatics were people who did not ilefine the future from threat except by some 1 aiy on behalf of 5L rith my Iearee.1 friend Mr. Chindo. Leigh, Lawley alone but Thave had. in eouse tieir owa minds.

Every rgure quoted by quence 01 tc. temporary ef ray friend Mr. Day, to take rather more share than I etherwise should have dote in the geseral conduct of the defence. I have little to add uaiMa vsvaa au My he did nraaie bhS OT5ffi2 to 'SSSStVtSli wa. to impute to him simply lunacy.

Sir E. Becwent caae. ideSLi rfc ll nVy, ana their on to urce that the future rrioaBa t. nt thJlff cw, w. There have been some instances.

e. is at existing yield, but its futui SirE. Beckett said he was Before Mr. Stoneham took thi. be neeesnrr for him as a negotiator ta 1m iMa arnr.

it eiate the strom; iwints of the other side. If hn nt an tKa companies witnout oeiuc aoie to appreciate, he was not in a frame oL mind which rendered it possible for him to treat. Then he would find that be had semetbinr to learn ahout compound ana simple interest. The learned counsel understood the nature of tha ft Tl CCA 1 tft tvm mwiy sjrv sn tard cases of enumeration. nt mimnn.

or nniateational, on tbe part of wit no more about that, and ran onlr aav introdaeol thi. TZ TJTl'u Srse in sue re ef anv fnrtK, V.Ti wtae to. ana do not want to eon a cprooue, tend that I could occupy the time of the Court urth.r, cr a cvmpremise on a mm. 1 had nn 1 awaj iue result wmcn must oeamveu as. more than they had tepV aad he took the liberty of saying that he beheved there was tot one of them who reallv a property you 1 real and.

attantiaJ. anrfi tW sii.L.j.r 1 ba pureiasinr not itm Pi? nro 7Z. I in cTon I station, intentional not nine to IW i ii.rrtj.VS nes.es, nut I will say II au new xjiw aoallcr rar.ili.llv matter in nana, it vihim at witr ih. r.m.ntM 1 was too late to talk it would be merelr promise. TIm compaeiM companies' unotrtaemg.

ana uianinnrmirn ru. i Minm rhi. mm xj pointing out thai the committee had put inasa irecon' tlxat ttS? mrftWS.SSS ftva xuay, towerw, wy this, that the course we have felt it signs to taxt, i for one seek to adopt because, if we were to continue for the sake of putting a different complexion oa one or two minor natters, the result mnst necessarily be that aa inquiry already prolonged, and at a frightful ex pense, would Have to continue a considarabla tiaa keftr,.

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