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a. wit tr4. BUt Httrilj 1 "Tat 'Lt Iuarv character. He fell lh" to nave ioable. Tte ban.

ncmwr for manner to which those debt were incurred. They complained kit of the czveofot inJTerv department of the state of Urge alarie to ofloen, and of an anoeocMrr number of servant. They eomrUliwd also that the taxation which had been hope open the eountrr wu imniaad ta nr. jLb far example, nJ Uitn i much nor heavily upon the poorrr than upon th richer kwtrrww staodoig orders, might with cUwl of the community for whatever aflected the nece THE TIMES, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 1844. That wterou coroplalnU hart been made to thla hue on various occasions, by petition, to th effort that the people eunerinjr under unjust and partial legitUtlon, and under th effect! of monopolist of various kind, poEtieal and eccfe riarticaJ.

created and kept ta existence for the benefit of lavoureu ciae mat, by the taxei Imposed on food, for the rapport of on of three mooopoUe. the (apply ie restricted and the price railed, whilst at the aame time the demand lor UMur I diminished and wage reduced, and the profit of mutfactoring and commercial IJustry deeply injured that the burden genera taxation baa been ncreaaed to an intolerable extent, by an extravagant expenditure in erery department of the rtate, and that thi taxation i im jj" The boo. ana wanHM nwmorr ior i ww a a nouse wuicn am not i powi to prmwi wm oppressively ana ncavuy on IM indat rv 14 iiaj that he (Mr. GUdrfone) 1 represent them. At an inttaeee of one of thoee acta of which 1 trial portion of the community: that laws bavebeen naaed ln IITlIw.

aa well aithe boo. member for I aariea of life prtwed more atmely npon the poor than npon a 1 wWbaJ aiaae a ri K. m. ourntle theae were all matter which had been fre AninlAined or ftw rMItlAn Ia lkt Vmm A fV.t fjT iLt bonfwember eould not, aa he had boiuw bU uniformly refiued to Innoire Into them. The awlfjj cpoa.

Tbr were the hmJ of dim people corapUaed aUo that law bad been patted ma bik (Mr OUUtone) had to contend In jUrially Injurinj their rights, and complained that thoee TiuT wld aMure the boo. and learned (en Ther romplained, and, aa be thought, mott juttly, that Ingt o( GoTernment hare taxen place danserotu to public tt1 well acquainted with the Jiflicultiet of whiUt the duty upon corn wa kept an, and the Price of the liberty that, la order to toitain thit ryttem, an uncontti i a tne tarsrationtoi erery poor man ioom mm dt ennaaceo. tnai noute naa reaucea i luuonw amount 01 nanaing army kept na for the home ester Into the merilt of the Poor Lw he by hired polioe; all which would be wholly unnecea ary if the whether the old Poor Law tbould be alterrd crirraacea of the people were redreaaed.and ioi: and imnartial "i pwij uvi aTe loiruiETa me wimwi 'uuwrm mnoer eompuunea, (oat tl 1 Ik a.J .11,.. 1 I ume paructuar iawt woicnimnDrea tumuon oi ute vomnranr jtoute mat oy ue umita ple, he tbould allale to that particular tioa of the fuflnue, the lng duration' of Tartiamenti, id which wu pawed latt year the Irith I aad corruption and undue Influence in the election of re iaVntof the V.T jifctl 1 n.rrMlT nnw. I te pkidut wu aa ininnmeat oi ererj pnn mn iruij iri'rrwni uhi not retpnnnbie 10 loe people, and TrtJr TleN l7rodb dPJ of PoU r.

1 could not by any po aitility 1 therefore e. not legUIate for their InteretUj that, not Tjgsraffc "Ti 1 hare been pawed It a houte reprewotini the opleof Ire withttandiu frequent retpectful petition! pretented to thii 2ehct of the fcXto be UnA 11 fu impble to ctrry that act inU 1 house, the complaint of the people haw neither been in JL it aonar thw r. re iuire ach a length of time to execute, that he be'ic ed alarniins (UU of ditcunteijl prerail generally orer the aKe ary "'i'L. kv Ci rwTl? rtilwaV I Weof the act would be nearly extinct before aU the armt unitln( Jom it it, therefore, the tmmeJi.1 duty of thU refrretx WfnJ, wat not ao in marked but that ceil, aeriouJ a it was, hoifie to ake inquiry into theae complaint and a tt.it ly neceuary coottituuon been receired uired into. tnl nouie it to be necetmry.

if a committee i irf rrWl rt4e, and he Waaoaite I Hr. full confidence "icv. 1 "'J i J. aJoitiiemviitrte. reprcwniaiiret oi people, it it imperaurc (f The bn?" fC? Sac proceeding a iW bad produced th demand for the I that the chafer, brot aintt It pretent 1.W a jec vwi to mcrea the mber c4 tM i com 1 of (W titrary acU were declared to competency in the petition which hare rL, kf (Mt.

Uwr) aoui it 'CI. 1 1 not uch a Ireland thoutd eubmit to. The people com ahreci lcU among its proceeding ihoulj be In ts recwir i puineJ that ttter aJ ire inmuy deuml taal tfco art.itrary ana rnouna la a jafUy made, reireeii tefore Sdtkrifhth "V1 Vtl "lactaoftheOoTenunent aWd be inquired Into, but that ha'l proceed the roting of rapplie. wcV natonf Ba iw iwic their requett had been uniformly refuted. It waneedli Mr.

w. WILLIAMS ree to fConJ the amendment of 2ia the Ww tbat the enrtinc name, tnoull al ,0 Uck than the lat ae aion in proof of that I hi hon. friend without (he nald) any heriution but had it "7 Ut then were the to i rt4tTOf Bt titra ct of th officer of the Gorern 1 iorolred the principle of a mail luinority ol that houae Zgr wfcllbe if Mr. nwr" wlA were cniplain4 but Inquiry Into all of them wa 1 itaclfto tnp the (uppliet agalntt a laree majority. I ne idoiuj noi ie anxiou to nippon u.

anowinir me rant ana expenditare wl 41 oo.oont in imj it be thooftt eome new name muiht uth Tn; charge affecting the judgea charge conceraing the treat (Hear.) The hoo. mem tr KN noai mait cf rriwnrn iQ connnmcnt, and charge touching I. vae rreeera i'r ormeo. lie iu not mt inai in uorernmeui wa euuir I S'Jacitve i and if there were, a they fmin mere wa. charged upon them but he maintained that imparUnt reult that would fullow ihoul it tucccoful.

i. i.Mnl nnon the rroMaed ri. I i. i jur goi ui lut wu iu uuuio ni.juirj into the eiitting grievance of the people, with a riew to their being redreaied. The hon.

member had (tated generally what ne obnaiderrd to be the grievance of the peonle a they were exprewed in the petition which had been laid th. t.M.r k. it. .1.. IJ creen tome re ice upon the wbject, be thooghti of wa the rnormou rctaUUhment of a ttand I mover a to the riinenre of the grievance and the detail he a.

atw alio micai oe inani mv. nnv ket up lor toe bom terviee. liiear, near.j iiawat naa given oi mem in me resolution, nil naa. inena baa not waiJer the lmnortance .1 .1 ti nvi I .1.. tv.

and me iiecewity that wme moral weight 1 to thee might be added about 9.W0 coutabulary in Ireland noble lord the member for London, when he intro jltttacoeaioineea making altogether very nearly men. luearmeucou i.t wani naouiary 01 trrunu wa. ui au iuk iui sua i uri Pvin tut ui' 1 Lr thought two more competent gentlemen oouia ft ainrin of public raeetiag all of which th houej and a the hon. and karneJ merntvr unfortunauly refuted to investigate. Another thing the committee hould cmt 1 ogKnimt imirtial there "iaGt'l ffotleraen immedwJy Wtcreeted in rail itktr iUt KmJ (Hr bear Were the government juUy SIEWAKT, tmg oneoi inoae tnoiviaoau jutt in tneuuclrc me peowe in the course of the Ji awioo.

I crrion to keen them In vbedier U3 artr cn tti nbject, merely winbed to ray that, jutt Uws, and of jutt priociJe there could It no difficulty in dcreJ coercion at .11 neceatarv. 1 .7 V.V.I, remain i.l1. r. tn m.inl. eaaaittee.

He had ln put upon it without arm and a hired poLce, from which good ago V. duced the Refonn Hill, tatel the object of it to be in lhee word Tliat the people thould end to thihoue their real repreaentative, to deliberate on their want, and to conrult on their interest; to contiJer their grievance, and to attend their desire to poru the vat power of holding me purse tring oi me tnnurciiy, I to lay tb founoa tion fur mott aJuUry hangft in the weubeing of the 1'eople." There wat nothing to strong aa that in all the resolution proposed by hi hon. friend. He would ak the member of that houe and the noble lord in particular, were heinhiapUce whether any one of those important object bad been obtained by the Reform Act He believed every honest man raut antwer in the negative. (Hear.) The people upportd that measure they were rea ly to do anything, even to risk their live, because they believed that it would produce these effects which its promoter stated.

Hut what had been iccoraplfehed Nothing not a tingle hope had been realized. A short time ago, three milliunt and a half of people coinpUined that they were not properly represented in that house. In 1GI2, the House of Commons resitted the arbitrary conduct of the King, and committed the supplies to the conduct of commissioners which act not only laid the foundation of putting a ttop to the attempted tyranny, but lot the monarch who attempted ti violate the. ancient comtitnlion of the couutrr ta the He wa an honorary director of the the he would atk if anv man could tcaflold. Anin.

William 1 1 1 on ascending tke throne. rrsxk Ej4iJ, tot he wu not in the least connected honestly declare that house to be a proper repre 1 entered into a compact with the people with regard to the ii a iaanagemfn neither he a large holder sentation of the people I There wa another eatue why people Hill of Rights. In fulfilment of that aoleiun engage afntsivftock. (Her. To hi right hon.

friend he would that house wa (UtcJ not truly to represent the people, ment, the Triennial Parliament Bill wa passed in bt awrr thsught that the appointment of the proposed because, from the cornet practice used at election of but the King not only neglected to keep hit cSet wmdd be viewed with (uspicion out of doors, member of Parliament, which had been proved upon diver promise but endeavoured br all mean to evade it. The swell be better for th present to postpone the nomina occasions, it could not be said to be a true represents House of Common ay, ana the House ol Lords too, had vHftj, tear.) His right hon. friend, however, wa tion of the opinion cf the electors themaelrea. That being virtue enough in those day to pre upon that monarch fieju5e cf that matter, and, for himself, not con i the case, and the number of electors being to small a com compliance with hit engagement, and they therefore re lies it cf eosive be pet npon the committee without pared with the population, he did not understand how it ptumed the bill which he had rejected. Bishop Burnett, who sionaa anu aotnenty 01 mate ie political movements ot tell the Kin tho Par.

tUit i a eember of the prop.ed committee. In the tiont tad Uted them and ued for inquiry, liaiaent tht they wotUd grant no ropplie unless he gave hi wr 001 uvn "7 1 ic; iji'irrr: jutrw rrLTrrs1', j' iue rroceeuiuir os nit uoti. inena. yo we votes, tftere jaey naa teen ruQcrM re The first and tu.t imporiant propsition in the amendment tva wfomittee oontaininp the names of so luan 1 standing army, kept np without the content of I'arliament, If the boa. member for Greenock vmi, Parliament for the runner.

Th. rv. aTaJtcr' pr" 1 people complained aiso mai a jurca oucc aaa uccn now in the right bon. geniieman opposite. taking the place of the old and constitutional ST, (Mr houb1 fTr0 tlice.

The people alleged, that if the law were jutt and tk.t (aenmmirtee should 'consist al .1. 11 new system of police. conducted and the laws wuld require no co lence it was the want of principle of government, that ren necessary. The people therefore com maintain a standing 1 Pood eovernmt.nl bees eor.ted by hi hon. friend and the Cm he I would relieve them.

But the most important charge of all I wa upon reading over the vote a wa that which was brought agalrst that house, of not kisiiar arx Of course, he felt grateful that be should Wing a true representation ol the people. It had been Uj Lter.l It would perhapt have been Lun.ber' cf elector which returned member to that house. rfia tArY of tin to have said he declined to serve, but the memlr returned coull not be considered a the SwjatrrfectUbTtTtoderiieat( hifitne. or represenUtive cf the people. Looking at the small JtiLxv u.

rirfjrm the d'itie which he thould be called number of elector, comiared with the groat amount 11. A.rt. .1 V. ir 11 UfO cCeonve 10 oe pci upon uc cwuamn iuwui parea wiu ue popuiaiuir', ne uia not unacrsian now 11 pa.iea me i iu wwen ne naa reh cveo. Ij nMtnt, be certainly should not deem it offensive to Ve could be maintained that that house was the representation might be considered the best hittoriai a of sriti ti eanscnt.

Hear," and a laugh.) of the people. (Hear.) These fact had been stated to the i times, and whs best undentod the V' TARBCKTOX had some conclusive reason why he house ariou wava, and over and aver again the peti that day.said It was expressly tl tUit a eember of the prop.ea commiKee. in me he a not acquainted with the detail of railway the tiaMBser expense be also held the chief office in a to though tvnA occupi gteai swtta tf 1 tin" andaa 'rtedl 1834 th wa belnx no less than owr the ex penairare tn iso'i, and more than the whole taxation of the United Btatet cf America for maintaining every department the government and payment of the interest of the public debt. (Ironical cheers and laughter.) Tea, they had done wuitu uu i.iiiwuuT qi toe ivxeneoner ever coma oo in thi country ther had paid off the last hiHing of their debt It wa true they tad Incurred tome debt tine (a laugh); bat be would be bound to ay that debt would not long be nn pato. as spoa ue uovtrnment of the United State, not of the Stat Government.

Wu it not a most remarkable fact that the difference between the expenditure of this country right year ago. and at present thould exceed the expenditure of that great republic, whose population was eipiai to inai 01 uieat nnaiii a republic wntCh wu Dearuiog us, raviux its crest againti US, ana rrom WblCb wt had more to dread than from any other quarter of the globe I The taxation of thi eountrr wu now rrtr tv.n Lnn, aav year of the last war. One of the moat enlightened men of hi day, a gentleman who had written with much abi lity any in ue lana, ana who had proved himself to be well acquainted with the condition of the countrv an that ever lived meant the right hon. baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department had made a statement in thi respect which he believed wu under rather than over the mark, ne uid that in 1312 the amount of taxation wu C1.2H0.0. the Price of rnU waa in 1S13 the amount cf taxation was T3.000.OjV.

when the price of gold, bought with a depreciated paper, wu U. 0. 1,4. In the first instance, there wu a depreciation of the currency, at compared with the standard value, of 31 per cent, and in the second instance them wat a lnr ia. tion Of 1 1 per Cent.

Reducing this tn the nrra.nl atan.l.M of gold, at3C 17. lOJd. per ot, the average UxaUon ia tho two imporxani year oi me war, wnta the greatett exertion wre made by this couatry and forehra nations to rmaneinate themsalve Irom tb tnraldom of Napoleon, would be 10.0OO.0OiV. less than the expenditure of ue tut rear, alter year ei peace, lie wouM ask any West mam if, after such a statement the people of this couatry had not just grounds of complaint I These were facts, and he challenged the Chancellor oi me jixcueiur to aupute one ngure. But, brskle trie difference in the value of the currency, the drteri irttej condition of every interest in thS country, tr ade th taxation to pret much more heavily than it did at any former period.

ijrt mem taxe any artisan, mechanic, or Labourer, and he would venture to lay the average of them would require more than the wage of two day to pay their taxes, when in 1812 and 1313 the produce of one day would have been enough. Three pound of iron, two pound of cotton twist, and four yards of calico wouM in that respect be required where one would have sufficed at the former period. The taxation Utt year amounted to 65,000 "Jf.for purposes of the general Government alone the people being obliged to pay for their own local government, and the protection of person and property in addition to all thii According to a important statement of the Poor Law 'Commissioners, he found that the local taxation amounted to this, he believed, wu vastly under the mark. The local taxation of the city of LonJou wu estimated at but, he had reason to believe, that it wu little short of 500.0iX)V including charge paid to the corporation, taxes on coat, poor rates, ton. gentleman to be hutified in entertaininc these ctoomr that in Enrltn.1 therw afcnaM views of the condition England, compared with ether free and the other tJaveel He thought that they prided countries, did he (appose that tacit a resolution thi themaejve on the abolition of tit Terr, yet (laverr exited wooU advance hi mil wanU earaduea to the dr grievance, and the satisfactory solution of the uimcmues max anena so eompacateil a stale ei tocverv ours I (Hear.) How wu th inquiry to be.

conducted I The ton. member did not move for a committee of the whale house a form of motion well understood aa beiag fr the purpose of embanuaiDg the Government legitimate in ttrument of party warfare, which wu understood to amount virtually to a want of confidence In the Government. The hon. gentleman had no such nartvobwet In view hut he .1 propose that before the house granted any more swppli. they Should appoint a COmmitte Of the who.

km In Innnirw into all the grievance of the people. What would be the In that coon try to a much greater extent than hon. member were inclined to think. Laughter.) Kit statement appeared to exxiU torn emotion la th snlndt of hon. member of the either in pent, or by a representative ia whom election we have a power to vote." Thia class amoaate4 in thi country to about To be enslaved It to have no will sf ear tn in the making of laws either in person or br a representative, hni ia k.

gevtmed by rvJen which ether men have set over us." This definition wu extracted from Turns newspaper, at a i Wea made to the proposed dmmittee were well founded, luuon wuicn contained uem.ua recoraing mem, now.propor.i oi inquiring into me grievances ol the people. a L. JJ not see nnon it the naiue ol one Hon. member wno Jl MH out i nc unn wmucu in iromg own lunner. no a 1 kr cs: Jered ju irprrsrirtmg theiutcrest of the tra tood, therefore, in the position of culprit; they were did the facU stand with regard to representatiou I 5, "00,01 H) srri jt (Hear, bemr.) He did net know whether accused persons who darst not meet the challenge of inquiry, out of the of thea.lult population of this country i "Jo raesaber for Wolverhampton (Mr.

C. P. Villiers) and being in that position they were absolutely ud directly hid voice in the election of membrrs ol Parliament yet ra.ar director or a shareboider, but undoubtedly avowing ttemselves to be not the representatives of the that house in its injustice threw upon those 5.ti to.t wj of the with the hon! fnr meant, In a petition presented two years ago, signed taxation of the country. (Hear.) If hon. gentleman dis ought to be bySrSOO.OuO persons, it wu stated and the statement was not puted it, lie was quiteiprrpared, to prove the Ija to be as he JectI which the right hon.

gentleman opposite had described a tax, the amonnt would be more than making altogether a taxation of on the people of this country, independently of the large amount paid to Dissenting and Catholic clergymen for the maintenance of places of worship, schools, ic. The bulk of that wu paid by a population of for with all her complaints, Ireland wu much better off than England with regard to taxation, The taxation of Ireland did not amount to one twelfth of the whole taxation of the empire. The taxation of France amounted to very little more than SO.OOO.OOOL, out of which, besides the payment of all the public taxes, the clergy were paid and all those taxes which, in this country, came within the range of local taxation. Huch wu the disproportion between the taxation of England and that of other countries and, in order to exact this vut amount from the toil and the west of the brow of the labouring milliout, it in necessary to maintain a Urge standing army and a military police for, without such aid, it never could be collected. And that army had been very much increased; In 1SJ2 the amy, independent of the Artillery and some other corps, amounted to 91, 7 men.

In the last year there were to.Hl men. At the commencement of the session the Government told Parliament that they would reduce it by 5,700 men ud yet, before the close, they came uown with a bill to add 10,000 to the number an attempt, in short, to create a permanent military force (hear), answering to the Pnrtoriu guard of the Roman empire. (A Iauzb 1 He did not mean to sav that the Government intended this when they came down with the proposition but they liad established the principle by the bill for enrolling the Chelsea pensioners, and they might depend upon it, that some of their successor would one day carTT out the principle to the ertabtishment of a permanent military force. They could to morrow, if they liked, discharge to the extent of 10,000 of the Life or Foot Guards, placing them on half pay, ud call them the next day into service under the bill referred to. hear.) The addition of these 10,000 men made the military force, at (he beginning of the present year and that, too, on a peace establishment no less th in 139,1 51 men, or 30,700 more than the number of men in the latt year before the pawing of the Reform Bill, under the old boroughmongering Parliament.

(Hear, hear.) Now, it wu of such things these that the people complained oppressions and grievances. They would not endure them long. The whole system of taxation was partial and unjust. Thone win imposed the taxe always took caresf themselves and the order they belonged to. There wu not a more uniust ud partial system taxation on the face of the globe.

All the despotic countries of Europe imposed the great weight of their taxation on the richer cfaase but the lax on band in thi country wu only or out of The great weight of the taxation of thi country wu laid on the necer sarie of life, although, they ha been told by the right hon. baronet opposite hut year.tiiose necessaries were taxed up to the Last penny they would bear. In proof of this he would refer them to the result of the attempt of the late Caancellor of the Exchequer effect of such an inquiry The first effect would be to raise tinte when that newspaper was the best advocate of liberal capcnationi wuicn never coma re gratmed, indeed, which principle tn ui country, wben it supported in an able man utu uuruuiK universal connexion a every question oi rcnoonucai anx raruamenury rerorm; of the folly of the house in agreeing it, (Hear.) A re and he concurred in the justness of the definition. What, form in Parliament, and a most exteasive and radical refonn then, wu the condition of Ear land I There were about in Parliament, would be, according to the hon. eentleman't TOO,) freemen bi it, and all the rest were tlaves.

(Laughter.) address, a necesctry preliminarv. The hon. mlknun Ka Was nst this a state of thimrs eaJeulaJ ta ereata diarma. (poke last told them that there were or male tent, and to cause men to demand thnee right of which they adult population ia this country, ud that only l.OOO.OuO of i were unjustly deprived Of the member conitutix.g them were represented, and he argued therefore on that house 317 were elected by 1S03 elector, being about oniyor inemaieaauit population oi ua rirht that ilia Ital of tSinra akraM rn member, therefore, proposed to confer the right of suffrage tinue Jf slave in uy part of the world tuffend more on every one of those remaining 5,000,000. It wu not than the miscalled freemen of England.

The right hoavbaronet household auffrage he called for, but a uffrage co exttative tad referred to the subject of the Poor Law. "ow, there waa with taxation that wu to say, every person in the country nothing about the Poor Law in the resolution; though an ob wa to have the uflrage; every male, that wu; for he (Ar serration had fallen from ti hon. friend to the effect that R. Peel) supposed the hon. eentieaian meant males.

it waa most nninat the. rawr man Ia tv. on what grounds he wool 1 confine the suffrage to male be Law as it wu now carried out. The prwfetjed principle of did not understand. (Hear.) He did not see why, accord 1 that law was, that every man capable of working and earn ing to the hon.

gentleman argument, the suffrage thontd in wages should depend upon himself, ud not be an idle not be extended to females. Females exercised the franchise person, denendent tHra li.lik.l in many of the institutions of the country. Why not in 1 principle on which he (Mr. Hume) aupported that law and elude them In the proposed Parliamentary franchise I Tie 1 it was a cruelty and a hardship, after declaring that every hon. member must admit this.

Did the hon. member labouring man should depend on his own labour, to iaas acts which prevented him getting labour, by restrictukg hie meu of exchanging th produce of hi labour for the pro u.e vi vtner cuuntne, us tt' aiiKDing a monopoly wita gard to his food. Ia supporting the Poor Law, it was hia sent from the conclusion I Mr. WILLIAMS made a gesture of assent. Sir R.

PF.EL. Tb ton. gentlerau doe not dissent. Then I can only aav te comes before in the liaht of a more comprehensive reformer than any we have yet seen. (A wish at the same time to rive to everv man in tha Country tb fullest opportunity of obtaining labour, and uugh.) Taz'rrw irrtonsnoi at maturity were subjectew to taxation.

They t(v, iTVv were cal.led on to perform 18 orl5 i JS re napie to oe called on lor military service. Aecordim: to ir 7T: hon. mnUemu'. doctrine, surelv those nerson. who thus XF.

tmDat.nt' bJ pWto contributed to the taxes, or wr called on for perform '1 TZVt ra oi poouc uuty, were entiuea to tne proposed suffrage' Zi a The hon. member principle being, that the whole popuU I St' iSrSt iL1 fv" tion of the united kingdom who contributed by indirect I ij.f thviL alt a Uxatlon ho.M. ut. atl fan fc. be entitled in htatir.

to I hV J' npon? Pr maathat JhTh. Wr loTheCmTExcir halXEx ofettasThltenT Several hu.dred. of thousands woufi be found to petition i against it partial, and it woul I be much impelled a. the JjL'SlrSS. into contrition.

On. great evil of Hi ir" ff. Utlon0. u3 TtharevtlTasnce KSZ nt to us own incompetence ior legiMation. uiear, th He h.

V. v. ich they had cause to complain was a defective repreien great part of the speech wu directed to ihow that the infu 't, i tv. V. i 1 nfe democratic element into the house ha.1 i TlL mlt''aul disappointed all public expectation and inflicted grievuces .) tn unon th.

hr v. r1 coiunuttee to inquire into the gnevuee enamerated. any difficulty I (Laughter.) If it were to be said that guments ud estimate ud by way of encouraging the house to mrmer retorm bad said, I will show you that under re I formed Parliaments there has been addition of lO.MlO.OOl'. to the burden of the people." Surely it would be a more leiri nVTn rl. (Cot.

el Sibthorpi He wu rare that that hon. member mu to ay, Let us go back to those good time when the 71, 1 1 T. ii i tUnding imy consisted of only 90,000, ud the taxation Vjulrintl "'i'tiLT? was 7.000.000?. lea fhear. heart rather than Let us mber the virtue of thoie who compo ed it for." said the hon.

Jgfl 'JtSTlS rentleman. "ar. what th. dLI in lrt be.uxiou to giv to the labouring men the mean frMuent arlUmentarr elecUon. were claimed fo'r the I "that the, nught not walk alone people great ch gagement mined tc the publi ana inai wu not a raruament eiecxea py a numerous nnuy Vuesuon.

successive yean (backed, too, by the Houae of Lords) con Colonel SIBTIIORP (aid he could assure th mem. trolled the will of the Crown had a much less free constim J' hJ refetTeJ to the lowneas ef th remuneration for tion than the present (Hear, tear.) Again, the hon. gentle 1, tnat the county in which he (Colonel Sibthorp) man' argument ingeiiously would appear to show that it resided, every labourer, according to the information he had would be wise to go back to the period oi Ib'Il that the house wu incompetent to doit duty. Sooner or Lter there must be inquiry. Class legislation must be at end.

Here some symptoms of impatience were exhibited.) ne woou appeal to ue non. member lor uacoln ana wuiiam IIL, Powerful monarch, who had mt1u (A Uugh.) He did not agree in thatpartof urns on the national gratitude, departed from his en Xi TllTSL 7 '7 en that behalf; and the House of Common, deter I roppn bf UwThe Eouse pseswd th right. buTeon i refuse supplies or menace the refusal of them until i Mriin Iri all rl rt. v2Jyi.il7l ic faith pleX by the Crown had been redeemed i tZ vcBiiuiuinaoo. iLnuu revmeat the inkrett of the travelling II.

Mr. Warburtoni perfectlv azreed I 1 kt arjoea npon the coramiuse wat were direc wrong" that the house wu not ejected by the people, that had stated. This wu a grievance which the people felt wu ef nor sWhoUers in uy railway. 11 thought were irreiyonaiblt ot the people, ud passed by inte altogether intolerable. The highest authority in the country, i xw thpuld not alter the number of 15 ujwn the core I rested parties." That petition the house received, ud the Her.Majettv't Priitm Minister, in introducing the incomr(tax Vv it were done in the present inrunce, a similar peuuoners wajcrni ic Kn iuru an vrortuiuiT niaac ue oi a mo.

remaraaaie expression, wmca ne wouki jV ntae would be recornmenaea upon in nomination oi j'vc ij uot wau ueg ieme juote. uouot ai mat time ue ngat non. 3 mry committee. Jtnd thereby much trouble would 't judge and the jurors in their own cause yt the bouse baronet's friends had adnvinitued him again the adoption jLiiiu tssrily incurred (Hear, beard He hoped the would not meet the challenge. They were accused, but they of a tax that would severely affect their own pockets, and ar rh.t would not face the charire yet they denied all iniuirr no doubt he wished to stud well with the rlau to which he ml not obct to th admission of some gentle tney were not r.i xo pcriorm me acu oi legislation Ulongea, ana teeing Uow easy it would le to throw the Uanng) to add a tax or 3 per cent, on thoee taxe.

That I TBWeating the railway interest all be said wu that were rcuireo, esj ecuw tuat uue oi uving on uxauon. ouraen on me uacx qi me poor, aeienceiess, unrepresented ngnt ncn. gentleman contenaco, mat me aiaibona tax tuJ be some also who would attend the interest of they instituted an investigation into those charges, and he felt he mutt make out a strong case before he would produce more, but the produce actually fU itH ing public. (Hear.) i proviaea some re.raeics ior tuc unerautt a ui tue peopic. in couiajusuiy nimscii to nit inenos imposing tuat burden i HAMILTON wu understood to state, that for TVVV r.ir7C"t 'T, 7.

uu meac I mmmln i cou ui tac iwnunna oi ui, i.vm fiumiB vouimiLier, tne remariaoie worir 1 cannot consent to any proposal lor 1 saJo desire to serve open the committee. hatenjed bv the hon. member fur tk. of la.ation i. i.sTH'tPE tail, be sea the nominal cErectorof a wno proposed that no man thould serve on that committee sumption by the labouring claws of the community.

I conclusive proofs that I taxation on arti notable declaration. timet at much d'utr for the article wu naid in nronor riirht lion, baronet he mid it I tion Lr the rich occunut of the Treuurv bench ODnosite. brought against it I Then, again, tye proposed inquiry irto exemplified great frank nets and manlineu of character, (Hear.) Then, too, the commonest brown sugar, which wu the a nevaucc complained of by the Chartist wu neiratived What did this important firt prove It craved that tbrv often mixed un with unwholesome materials, naid the same by a majority of agaio 19. II did not intend affirm had laid the great weight of taxation on the backs of the proportion of duty the finest refined ugar. Common that the rules of the bouse vught to be set aside and disre unrepresented 5,000,010 to tlie very utmost their strength tobacco paid a duty of per cent, whil the duty on garded.

except under extraordinary circumstances which could bear, ud the right hon. bamnet, with that knowledge. cigars, which were composed of the finest and richest to extraordinary circuaistuce at present existed, from the ju.lment. an wislom which distinguished Uim had I bacco, wu only 100 per cent. On the champagne and bur cause he had mentioned.

His resolution went to require the mie enough to tee that it would be imprudent to iu gundy, which formed the beverage of the rich, tue duty bouse to consider the demands of the peoplc.to consider whe crease the weight where it already prescd to heavily, wu only 17 per cent These ineualitie were, he main tier or not there were fault in the system of representation, test it might break the camel' back, anl he, there tained. just ground of complaint, and they were looked aud, if faults were found in it, to remedy them. (Hear.) fore, called upon the higher classes to assist him in pro upon in that light by the people of this country. We had He would not depart from the principles which he had de 1 riding for that vut and extravagant public ex eu.liture I it on authority that of the people of this country clareu to oe mose upon wucn. reionn sunuia proreea out oi wuicn mey memteires toot so large a portion, he wuted itowupon thi particular occasion, to commit the Looking to the course of legislation id that house, no one coui i won'ier at tne uiauusiacuon oi tne people.

According to Blackstone, it wu only because t'ie people were present in that bouse at the niaVinz of the Uwt through their representative! that they were bound to oley the lawt bj a to jaw uwwiwu ui wbo wouil not give a pieoge mat ne naa usea no undue say, moreover, tuat can give ujoniiu abiuoiiu ku. iiuu wu tue resuiti umy iv you nave am rea at me umiu ol wotiH ct nvenient or desirable, and if the njembers voted Icr that motioa. Wa not that a proof cle of Cvnumption." This wu a rertlsnaa ctld select some ether rentleman la the house ni not in a condition ta denv the ehanrra wh.a K. it fmm th. thort of the regular return of the taxes.

He repeated, that the taxes on the necessarie of life were most unjustly imposed. Look at the duties on tea. Tea sold at lOd. and tea sold at 5s. the pound paid the same tax of 2s.

2d. per pound. So that the humble inhabitant of the garret, earning perkap a shilling a week by sewing, and wno could get scarcely anytning else out tea, paid nve la 1. tfaauilbe happy to resign. tautia being I LAI'lTuSE said, several gentlemen tad ex wiingnes" to retire from the committee since a.

rrviea. he sru not anxious at present to press its cpon the house, more no hon. it lxj expretMri anxiety for the iaumediale appoint a Urv, bear.) eer f.w worl' iK taSir G. Gut and Mr. Wallite, I th.

cnaraition the cofamittee wu witt MEECHAXTj EAMEXV Ft ND. that the following gentle bouse to those pnnciblea. All he demanded was. that ther a alr i th. M.

k.r.t thould T'j into an ioiuirv. to ascertain whether thoe irin ucd rix Mr. W. Gladstone, Sir Doulas, Mr. ci were right or wrong; or hat were the principles upon Lyii, JUr.

11. Mini. Mr. AgUonby, Kice, waitu retorui auoum wunvu. lui Uai.taer.

Captain 'ladstone. Admiral Dundaii. Mr. motion, if carried, would be a nonentity unless he went when made. 11 should like to know what thit country ilea, i luruer.

lie wu prepareu to say wuat uc wouiu uo, tue wouia oe wiinout tue oi tne unrepresented ol Laj OAU. Mr. Koaa, Mr. Hutt, ud Mr. P.

Miles, i 7 "I'PIX', TIIEN.I" PPLI KA were living on the same food cattle. Such a state of thing could not continue, and he wu happy to see that a society had been formed by the ric'i in this metropolis, headed by the most distinguished of the clergy, for the purjNise of relieving the distresses of the poor, ud of presenting those scenes of starvation which bad recently to frequently occurrea tnere. 10 mem ana to trie whole imuuity he unreireente.I of i commuuitv be would address tne memorable words once house would affirm ilia resolution. He would then move. Great Britain sind Ireland.

What would be the value of their used bv the rinht hon. baronet the Home Socretarv either that the house re itself into a committee of the land What would We the value of their Mines, their Whenever this country present the spectacle of millions i whole house on. an earlyday.or that a sclectcominitteebein manufactures, their thips. their colonies, their com tuiiiilicatimr for bread, then will the People sween awav all snitr of the day "beirread for going into com ttituted to inquire into the present ttate of the reprctentation. merce! What would the value of all thoM withnut titles, ul prnsioBS, and honours." (Hear, hear.) sapijy, it migat lie saia mat xae inquiry wouiaiut an immense time, me urwur, me txui, ine ingniuity ot tliri a.ono.ouu.

Tlie hon. gentlemu having second' F. and that thedeUy of the upplieduring that time would i Whence did they supply their army and navv All k. Iurtiveof great mischief. But tupj.

the Govermwut the resources which ru tit i a I should tay that they were ready to go into the proposed in were derived from those unrepresented classes who were now I l.nvtk Ek.LK lafcemtj the ion. tiember that the titrn be woufj ttxij TOte the tM three, I cwmplaining of the injustice inflicted on thein. With regard i btiore tue could be pre fiTf or or for such a time as might be to the constitution of that hou the rigin of a the evil, he Sir R. PEEL said, he wu perfectly, willing to concede to thought neceaaary for the inquiry. If he could get from, the mutt say, so far regarded the interests of the eopIe and the hon.

gentleman who had brought forward thi. motion aWFjED rote to make notion, of which be Government any promise ol uy desire or intention of insti the disposition to alleviate oppression, the Reformed IIme the full credit which he took to himself of having brought it i ior jpanOreceding lay. The motion an tutinj suet in'iuinr. lie would not impede the suptVliea. It of Cornmont treated the people worse than the oil borousrh.

forward and discussed it with luoderation ud temper. It a j. it wuone which be felt unusual circum wu tar from bis wiah to an Le would rather induce mOHgering Parliament. Hear," and a laugh.) Every one wu impossible for any one who had listened to the tenour of 1JT i oe Krouna on wuicn ne maae bis mo tne Uovemruent too sotiiemirur lor me people, bit her a who read the evidence iriven before th. emnmittn.

in 1 SIM his remark not to admit this, lie Itiouzat also It wouia not v. iiiiwi ujiOO the continued refusal of that minority of that house could succeed in stopping thei muit be satisfied that the election which took place in thebc te just to attempt to raise any prejudice against the hon. i totteperiodofl622 wiser, received from ramoa farmer. wufuUy and per ufficient (a UughX to the period fectIJ conUnt. Aotlung cremted ducontent litre but the ler.J rurmer, the hon.

i enUv necessary to make Whter.) The labourer, were receiving Us. a week front with the expenditure, i 'armers, ud some of them 15s. With regard to th pre tofo I if they had but courage i of lftii Hear, hear," and laughter gentlemu said, that when il wu recen the existing Parliament imposed additional burden on the KD AdnimUtration. hoped lliey wooJd long remain momee. tk.

i and keen out the late Administration, who had misgoverned but ttn fiamwei Tbertj thi desirous of promoting selfishly their own inUjts. (Hear. woila mn rrom 006 I hear.) A to a great number of the quertion72luded to, il 1 lttUt tUl mormng. In which it wu said, was not that the house were unwilling to enterfinto the in i Pee Prou'1 bf, quiry, but into a great number of these inquiries the mott PTtd fonf iL searching had been made already. Us.iM.W.

He (UUnel Sibthorp) believed that to be which had been represented one of the grievances ot (Bnewe.l Uughter.) Ye, it wu true whatever an which the pe ple had a right to complain did the Legislature Anti Corn Law League might ay to the contrary, wUh all merely alteVtheUw without Dreliminarv investiiration I N. 'IiL Pouon, their venom, their quack Ajctrine A commission appointed, the subject wu fully inquired into me abuse of the old system were exposed ud a Uvvern oh yes. their quack doctrine for. like all other attack doctors, whilst they talked of their cure they never tild ment, having no object than UTre'moval of those" eT kifieJ (Renewed crie. of Oh lot and abuse ud the establishment of a better system incur I taai' fleeted the alteration.

ring thereby a great unpopuhuity (Hear, hear.) So wu it, after long Inquiries, that the charter of the Bank wu settled at last. He should like to bear how (opposing the ton. gentlemu succeeded in getting ti com I mittee now, practically, te would pursue the inquiry I wu the bon. gentleman aware that full inquiries nail been After a few words from Mr.TxxuwjT. the house divided.

wten there appeared. For Mr.S. Crawford's amendment 22 Againttit 134 Majority 108 made into all rubiest, connected with the Bank charter and LANDLORD A.N'D TENANT (IRELAND) COMMISSION, the currency I Wu the ton. gentlemu prepared to direct a new inquiry I For three raccenre sessions one branch cf tne vut subject had occupied ue attention ot me nouse. Mr.

WA LEY said he would putaquestion to the right ton. baronet at the head of th Government with reference to and vet. the inouirr beins deemed IneomDlete. bv universJ what be bad said tMomer regaroinj tne lanajoMand consent of ParLament, uother commitUel tra appointed, i tnn commission in Irtland. He, and he believed many which Kit two session more, and even then postponed the other member of th house, had been startled at heanngrt report on the volominou evidence collected.

stated that thu comrmt consisted merely of Ir lulWdj. How could the hon. gentleman affirm that into none, Of there The other sUtement. of th right lionetliadbeeneer great questions had inquiry been made I (Hear, heir.) And i gratifying nature. With retpect to the nunneT in if he thought these inquine tad been futile ud evasirr.

the 1 which the commission tad beeirappointed, to thertfuaal of hoqse might wish tim joy of inquiry at their bar into thfttntta those complicated quertiini Hear," and a laugh.) Then commision.rs, all that had been laid npon these what wu doing with church establishments while the cur i no doubt very grnUfying. but at the rener question wu being invertigated I The investu ation i felt that thi. commission couM carjly accomphaa the of that quetUon would Tart at fcirt five months, if th. I Ejects which it wa i desirable slioiiU Meomplish, if it hon. geaOemu rejected the previous inqnirie there would to consist merely of Irish landlords.

(Hear, hear.) The be such a variety of opinion muy country banks to I discussinn of that evening upon the subject of railway had so muy joint stock csmpuies the Bank of KngUnd the of the house wu opposed to ubmitting whole question of the cwency change of 'lS the hon. invet.tionofimportanc to persona who wiai gentleman would have to postpone atTfJrwu the rutie.in the nuae. Be aid iiotliing against the partie iwho investigation of aU other imperial question. (Hear, hear.) It cnmpowd tliucomiiiisswnu wu, however, an unjust impeachment of Parliament to as hmwMa men nc doubt they would do perfect and impar k. i i 1 1...

tia tice but te did tar. that if this commission wu to ciou. mannr bv committee, of that house. But with re li.fJ th PubUe. lt.

0tt" spect to such momentous subjects those of church e.ta JT1', 00 ta'u't' "jat tnaiientUU class ta biishment. or Parliamentary repmenUtion, they were to "riida." they wer called, would conemr the and absurd to naa a resolution, oledrins; themselves to in tn" principle that tne iraiiters oi a eom i "to all these matter, while, at the same time, tie appointed to inquire I led the motion, the I i i i. trlecte.1 solelv from the one a pause c.f a minute i ,1 it, function unauthoriied. because a petition had of koiu bawnet r' a 'jT rtdrrtsthe grievaocss of the People. aui.ili.

or hot. wu a jue.ti.n that he would not. i irinnimr of the r.rrcedimr vtar waa ari ,1 l. m.ai.a of tl, ireiitleman or amaust the m.tiou bv imnutiiur to him ur a. in kivuii ueiure tuat uouae oy ujn xais occasion, uiacuaa.

ue wanie i a majority grossest bnliery, coercion, aaj intimllation. More recsntly a ii was bis intention shortly to to the tr i to along with Lira in asserting the principle that 1 committee wu move 1 for by the hon. ud learned member for it gnevanor rnentioned in the resolution which the grievances of the eople should be redressed before Bath, with the same view. Tliat aud learnad uieuiber 1 Aruos gst the varioas grievances which the supplies were tranted. It wu not bis intention at pre 1 brought chaiyrt against the electors of certain towns for staled tatual d'Uie by titiout, one of the moct sebt to go furtln if the house would accede to that propo 1 having received Urge turns in tlie thape of bribes a ooru was, tL't that house wat alleged not to a fair sition.

He would not say, however, what be tuisrht here mittee was granted to investigate the facts but in the jws.tati: athr pr.ipV.u4 therefor it wu allrgid by after think it proer to doj uyiiidividualmeraber woul.f progress of the debate it wat laid down as a rule, that what tbat tiat lAkae legiaLkted uiilurtly for the inte undertake or sttctupt to proceed in a course with regard to ever amount of bribery uulit be pnived against any con ti. tS that there wu class legislation for the the supplies which thould not be tupporte 1 by public opi ttiturncy or member, who wu the main cause ol the evil, rt tnteretts, ud uct for the interests of nion out of doors, and a tufScient number of members ia no reflection should be on itlier constituency or mem ti. It badbetii aZrged in tie ctimplaij.tt that Louse, he was pot the man that would attempt it upon ber thereby adniittiu that the whole proceeding was but r.uglt Uffrt that house that various mo his own individual recjionjibility. (Hear, hear.) He wished a common affair. When 'Mr.

Maddox brrmght lorward a design of hereafter obstructing the business of the house by motions of adjournment on discussions an going into committee. As he Sir K. Peel) had stated on a former evening, he had that confidence in the good sense of the hon. member to believe that, unless he wu supported by a decided majority of the people out of doors, or a Urge minority within the house, ne would not consider himself justified in taking such a course. The resolution of the hon.

member, whatever course he might think the farmer entire pro be decided by tbe deliberative tense of the house, after due V' I ana iMf discussion in that house, without inquiries by ge mi recollected that the Uodlords fat Ireland neral committee. and It would be poritlvely Impracticable aggresr. and the tenant the ved. Dtdit mission appointed to inquire into thi aggression should be Class, to ue enure exclusion been nrearnted comnlainimr of imberfect Parlitmentarv re would see to this. 11 Lopea wouia put ome presenUtion.

(Hear, tear.) A. to details, thi wu not the tenn.t rarmer upon the com iiaion. An Irun menW tt proper opportunity tor entering npon them. With respect. kno" however, to tea.

he might observe, that it certainly wu from any persona among the Unutrj of Ireland who conld no wi.h to favour the rich at the expense of the poor that the op' be appointed to act not itommimiou. diKriminatingdutywtich formerly applied to thatarticle had h' were the cue he (Mr. Wakley) bjoped it wu not bnt been altered for the present rates ud he could appeal to a deptorabbi rtate titling, bi eland. right hon. gentleman, whoae recommendation had influenced te.ut f.rmer.

ccbefcuai to England who aught a former Administration in effecting the alteration, whether. ProPV dded to the eoinmit on. 'fh if ual revenue could be otherwise raised, the principle l.Be" vV.ii"KU.i lT of an eualixed duty would not gUdly Ntabaadoned! (Hear.) pmcbed. and it wyUri As to th. the accusation prvswed not the present ''V Jt Government, whoM fchucellor of thi Exchequer had taken hon Ur0t an opportunity of repealing them altogether.

nJ or oth" carrying out hu suggestion, thereby to promote tne comforts of the people. (Hear)! Sir R. PEEL said, there wu one of the proposal of the Once more. then, he denied the chanree nude bv the hon. ton.

member for Futburr. which te certain could not gent'euun against the Parliament he affirmed that the con adopt, that he meant of tending over English tenant trary of apathy that sincere uxiety, prevailed upon all lartiwrs to consider the retation of landlord ud tenantry in great national question that in the imposition of taxation IreluvL (Hear, hear.) If te felt assured that there were the welfare of the lower classes had been regarded, not no Irish tenuts capable of sittiBg pon the coriunissioa, fit hf reafter toa.lont. must be iutLred uuon its own abstract merits alone, and he believed that in having so met the hon. I neglected and that, therefore, it would be uselessly lowr certuinly thould not tee the propriety of adding English i. t.i tav ri kept VP lor the IrSose OI rnaiiitainirjf to bring bis proposition lainy uciore uc uouae aua tne cuarge againat an mumuuai ior iiaiin som a scat in tit tbote BibOpolies were deeply tiublic by ciscuioit, and then it wouia be ior me members oi that nous iora lasuireuiii uecureu, mat tne aie uinui'o nmt iuc.

ur. nu.ut. re, of the great body of the people, that and the jwople out or doors to sav bow far seats was notorious as the uu at uojii day, and he i me resolution itaeii, men, ne rar a. teeij uxea me nouse been less a prop wlkb the people most seriously they direl this artinilir mode of action be carried (Mr. Williams) luaintsiiK llmt ti.

iume uu. ou.titu whether it would wt "ie public "terest that they should tended that the iaiaoo was saaiir in tb. of on. wLL f. If.

then r.ursue tliat course which pru tional object vraa still elletted l.v mean of Intimidation agree to it It was of two parts. Tlie first tart insisted on enforcing them. 1 'ur the purree of j.rotcting a dence aad julruient under the circumrUnce w.rtilj ud corruption. At the Haraich election it was proved its being the immediate duty pf Parliament to inquire into iaxrspuiic.n.raieltbe price ot tb. dictate.

lie wu aware mat mere wu an objection neiore itoeouca cnmiuiuce mat uau vi ii, uav, u4 jx ti. Itw time tiey tu raising th. question of a grievance upon going into com been bribed with an expenditure of S3 luring re partdenied the comiwtency of the house to grant suppUe. ta revt.te4 the mabd for U. labour, ud mittee of supply and, unless that course were supported eeised Tocall a house so constituted a represent! or fact to perform any lenslatiye functions on account of re Jwatuxthe m.r.ban Jut tl bouar.it could not successlut He i tion of the People wa.

albuether riaiculous. He would ia! it defective constitution. Thus, if the res.lution were ear so ajotuiaruj ,,1.,. tjv rated a liourn wr.ti but he withe 1 stance two boroughs, e.irh endi.ir two members Thetford ne.1, the House or ommons would, to use thehon.merabr uaa tet, w. Jnlw! aofl had Wu thrti rtit.r a.re Ps at tk hssvl.

m. Usritat TVa defeated at first, he did not' deJir of ultimately get ter, with returned two tte tntntita nexim with hit speech to noless thu impeachment of eev Atrt amyton wiiki. were iri mi for the tibg a Uak.rity of tLe member of that biiuse mtiu eucy of the city ot London, or IJ.J72, the constituency of the the whole existing state of society in thit country piear) i. iVrests an to 4ir.dvaiitae tain th principle for which be oonten.i.M. lie oia not it est lliaingwu'i tn atrr, wi.i utraiiri iy hi.im i aa one wa, tb lutv suzar.

There 1 charge the present Governmei.t in witn in combined constituent' rbti presented to their that those member who represented the nntiular interest with a omstituency ol iWI, an 1 Harwich with 151 voter, re own i aco vi tue otu dwr. irdd. that b. Lnnr forward motions on going into supply, not to turned four mcnibers the city of Lon Ion, with a cotuditu country, to mat tne soonem abanaoned lU duties th betUr Irticulrly upon it He overrule the Louse by a minority, but to get the majority of ency of l.H.Ws", returned four numbers tbe West Kidiugof for the interest ol me country. (Hear.) The first part of iitlrman.

the hon. rentleman would admit that he had met ing the Legislature in the eye of the country to declare its farmer to it. But he obtected to the proposition fasaitac. im.iii a spirit corresponding to that in which he (Mr. 8.

own incapacity to exercise it solemn function. (Hear.) He did not agree with the Irish member. IMr. Waklsy confessed tome of hi. friend' argument had i a 1 (aa I Ud appUcable thu Others, but con 'armrrs iniijui not om tu oiimasswn, anu ne resent opportunity wu a good one aT wondercl that inch a reflection npon til class should general roflenrur of the people had nveproceededfromtheidepfueliciefromwhictitcaD.

not been denied by the right hon. baronet The house miht (Cheer from the benches.) On ther ground deem it not in its power to redress the gigantic grievan. verT doubted if uy public object would be gained but unquestionable it wu that misery prevailed to aUr.u tenanU to the commisiwn. The question wu ing extent, while luxury ud penury teemed unnaturally what wa. the composition of the cvmmianon, and what tad walk hand in hud.

Now, me main object of the resolution A to it composition, it in wu to bring the distreased poition of the people before the 'Ar. Peer) fault that other were net npon it who houae. ltdidnot appear tuat tne intended to Jo anvtWn for th. rrli.f of th. but mMnt tr.

ii. k. he had applied he wu sure he might mention hi with hand folded relying on Providence. The remedying Mr. M.

0Kena. Why did he him Not more geted by some wu topping the supplies, the course whicii bemuse of hi. practical knowledge thu because of the ym he had practically proposed in" 1S35. when a Govern PtKT "hi5j Lhe Insh fanner ment hostile to the majority of the boose wu prrL.ted So httle were the Government influenced by in. That would have been a legitimate opportunity for a relvou or political consideration, thai I the very first per coum which would but have implied wut of confidence in rt whom they applied were Mr.

M. CFerraa and Sir the Ministry. hear," from the Treasury bench.) 'ML' appointmenu they tad On tte present occasion, towever, the revsne was tiie had been carefal to select those who, by th ex state of affair. What the people contended for was, then, ciln.t management of their estate and the warm sympathy that the representation hould be altered, the fcorue showed for the tenut elas of their country, were, not representing the masse of the population. True "cil n0ft entitled th confidence of th it wu the reformed Parliament tad done thimrs which i ubiic.

(Hear, hear.) Then, to the eonrte the commission AViV i urfdjta, fjyetj, i4dL4 and with tiorter ol tWIale entoetiL (Hear, bear.) Inquiry wu that a fail representation. I oiutiiutc 1 a 1 Bi.n passed to the church establishment, with regard to nnreformed Parliament would never hare atUmpted. tPtl tlrrt act had been to address the rr w. ar Tt LTTobkc jTll Si ref tocomplv with house," who could vote away public tlsutiuikU bich he stated, that thepeople of thU country drawing no Hear, hear," from both sidca) It had been expected 0' to ohtlt of ty AfcW chutw of theLVd kin? the demand f.l inaufr, it then became tbe duty oT that and miUions, aud laws iia.jng ust imjKjrtant distinction, nor unag any discriminations between them that cUs. legislation have beendoneaway with; but JET tb.

n. 'a'pwh crested by the lUnk attcbtion to the pmyrrs of the people; he admitted call this toryism or conservatism, but certainly it had 1 fiaaii it Etglai. charter, and tu that Government, as well a the present, bad been pretension to be con i lerr.1 rejireuution of i' If thtt Ui. Eart India I'oni neglectful of the grievances of the nation. He did not think people.

Without going into tin much lr tail, he could mtanniu the ioplt taad retcdij the cxting Govtrnment ni guilty than many other Go tiou 71, town which r. itirii members 'with uem of Th. tior.l un 1 larwich. Tliey nilit greatest revolutwu that had ver yet occurred in uy coun or conservutism, but certainly it liad no try. Look at the subjects embraced in the hon.

gentleman' ie coii i lerr.1 rejireacuution of the complaint. He first attackcl the Eut IndU Company' men charter, then what he called the onspoly of the Bank of com r.ng:ano, anu men ue mpuunea ot the provision 01 me laewie id mmrnt. S. wu aware that be should be opposed on bined constituency lesr tiut the Wit Kidinirof ork I oor bsw, ana con enaea mat it attoMea just grounai ior thin. 'HW.

But another this verr not by tb.ni only. but bythe principal sup I thire, which only rHurued two members. Yet they called i the compisims oi ue iopie. trorn thu the hon. genll in juiry it men uccautv tue uuij o.

i wLi'ch dr until tUt inquiry ud the redres of the grievance cf the I town returning 21 members with united constituencies ol part of the empire. In Ireland he considered the churct lltkt, tear Thu i.iri. Looe. as a ldv. to refuae to co into a ommittee of upply i beariug on tlie entire iieople ol tiic'couutry.

He would uke were disposed to complain of the church establishment in thu the author of the bill could not carry it till the tuffrage wu r'td of wLirJ, ooniplaiui until that in luiry ud the redres of the grievance cf the town returning 21 members with united conrtituencics of part oi tae empire, iu ireiua lie consiaerea me cnurcn bmical, lnnh. Tlt was the general and eonstitu 1 2,3. ud 20 other towns with 153.310 voter the latter to be nstill greater gnevuee, on account of MrftteirtrfUteeal.Uhe he contemlcl (Hear, bear.) He being' entirely defeate.1 or swarajd by the former; or the peculiar state of that country and he went on to add aavrn nkitVii. chun4. aarumrd ver ber wi.hed the Wse to recollect their position they stool could name other 51 members retun.ed to that hou by that, even in tUnd.

they compbuned of their cturch ecxs Xor. i 1 I ro 1 1. taFiiishment. 1 lie hon. nenW tnelu.iM tn.

eanstahnlarv the si. me people of IreUb cornpuinea mere cnminai ueiore toe jwopie, wuore neaiy ajntl e.tabliahe 1 church in that country, charge wer recorded, on it journals, ud there lr the use of a church which did not include fire, being iucomitent juttly to legislate for the JWje teit.WtUpeojV until they redressed tbe wrong of the coun totgmJtir it com ftheif rtalJi. bed cLuKb. I trv. fllear.

bear.) He would not trespass Longer upon ierpin4jao thit they were loaded with enor i the patience of the booj, but conclude by expressing a lama I aa utKj were lowaeu Willi cnor rf xaUo. the cobseqnence cf what they cvn Wonl' 1ea cl4crUken continued bv a House of leproraubg in. neorue. lie I vraw V'?" to tay that the pciUic credit must not te VTr" of debt wben Ibcnrred must be Vope mat be tad brought forward tbd question in a tem per ana manner not uaueoommg. inrar, near.j lie naa no wish to Le oSenrit to any on but tie bad thought it bis duty, not only to hi constituents, bat to tte people at larrr, to do to, ud stale tte point be tad robmitted to 11 wit tLe.

people, 3Ud a ri.t to ccorUin cf 0.5 tew 1 the; umtiJeration of the tense. Having done so, would tew be amerilfSetit cf which te Lad en aotice a ennttituener of who uutvoted 50 bthera returned bv UbUihmenL The hon. member included the constabulary 279,813 voters. What culj tiw expect but corruption and force, too, in hu list of grievances, ud he had not forgotten neglect to redress the national grievance in a llonse of the corn Uw alw. These wre the grievances chiefly enu Commons so constituted! Who were the high constitutional I merated by the ton.

member, and his proposition was that authorities on thi subject! Lord Chatham's axiom was, that taxation without representation wu tvrannv. Mr. Locke held the ume principle so did Lord Grey and Lord 1 1 ti 1.1111 l.f .1. r.v.r. JUua luwia.

iw, jmi v.wv tus oi tuv Reform Bill, during the existence of the sUborrmgbroonrtr mg Parliament, tte expenditare amounted tty tOrOflOt in IHS, the expenditure amounted to being excess of ever 1831, both beiag vears of pro fouad peace. Taiin; a middle period, te fonnd thai In the House of Comment thould tton the sunrJies until not one, but all of them, should be entertained, un til the house should make a timulUneons Imuirv into them alL Or. in other words, the aupply having been up to the 5th of April, Hit. tte House of Common wu called npon by th hon. member to 'inquire Into the whols social state of toa nai tod Warworn ad tbe coloaies before uy more mpplies were agreed to.

(Hear.) Sorely a resolution that wu wtioHy Impracticable. (Hear. Eren tuppoeing the hkii be wa confident had been, and wonld eoatinac to be. too much narrowed, ud the measure tad been an entire received with tte greatest attention ud impartiality. Tte failure.

(Loud cne ol "Hear, hear.) Au the uticipa to report ta mat oousr. aw tion. which tad been so fondly cherished by iu friend had I rrogres tad been mad in tte iaqairy, and Hear, tear, and a laogh.) not minx tnai any aiteraoon oi ue compoamon been cruelly disappointed. Indeed, it very projector bad helped to check it opera ef th. commission would be ndvisable, that uy goad end tion.

ud it efiect tad been farther impeded by tte cur wuld result from it, or that it could answer any practical house i rnption of the elector generallr (hear): for the certainly better thu the mat of the ejector (load cries of to the bribery and corruption which tad to largely infloenced the constituencies. It wu because tte hone wu ttn eonttitnted because the unrepresented were placed a debased aitnation a compared with the rlectoxt, and poased no prwtr, that das content wu created, and the amendment moved by tk ton. member rendered lt wu time to oonoder whether the people had not jnt rrovtnds to complain of the act that touK. Coold tnyttiog bt mere ptfrqttrcu than purjnse. Mr.

3. CKAWFOED could not tut own that a feetng of dutrust prevailed in Ireland In consequence ef no tenant being upon thi commiarioo, and that it would tend greatly to reus ore pubCc confidence If one or more tenant termertermer were added to it. At th un time te kaew the difSculty of carrytng this principle into pracO a II wu admitted an all taad not to be th ofTf but the poorer tenant who wu the frequent the existing system, and be (Mr. Crawford) wu bowadlit tcsour to say, that, a wrrt no pervows 6y wntsa.